2011 Mustang GT gets SC upgrade from Ford

[darthracer777]

Hard to believe the HP gains since the GT has 11.0 to 1 compression ratio. Just amazing, Two kits....one 525 HP....the other 624

 

http://blogs.musclemustangfastfords.com/6705507/mustang-news/ford-racing-announces-new-2011-50l-supercharger/index.html

[bpmurr]

Impressive!

[JWG223]

2012 GT500 needs more juevos. 5.0 is down by nearly half a liter and only 25hp.

[Ezareth]

Hard to believe the HP gains since the GT has 11.0 to 1 compression ratio. Just amazing, Two kits....one 525 HP....the other 624

 

http://blogs.musclemustangfastfords.com/6705507/mustang-news/ford-racing-announces-new-2011-50l-supercharger/index.html

 

 

Notice the 624 HP kit doesn't have the "12 month" warranty the 525HP kit has. It is also tuned to run on 93 octane. Impressive numbers but very pricy for just the supercharger + intercooler

[darthracer777]

Yes, a guy could install a 150 HP NOS kit for under $1,000 and then the engine would be pushing ~ 560 HP. I think that would be the way to go if you're trying to be 'frugal'.

[speedyman]

Not seeing any value here at all. The kit is big money on top of the price of a new 2011 GT. Clean, low mile, GT500s can be had all day for low to mid 30s, far better alternative for a host of reasons.

[Fontech]

I understand that the rods and pistons need to be upgraded for any boost over 3 lbs. Is that true?

 

Tom

[EL SHELBY]

Question for anyone who might know. Is the warranty 12/12 for the supercharger or for the entire powertrain? Put another way, with the 525 kit, does your factory powertrain warranty become a 12/12 vs. the 3/36 or 5/70 that comes with the car?

[speedyman]

I understand that the rods and pistons need to be upgraded for any boost over 3 lbs. Is that true?

 

Tom

 

 

Ford warrantys the package with 7 lbs, and a stated 525 at the clutch utilizing the stock internals. The stock guts must have higher load limits that what was previously estimated on this and other forums.

[CobraKaz]

Notice the 624 HP kit doesn't have the "12 month" warranty the 525HP kit has. It is also tuned to run on 93 octane. Impressive numbers but very pricy for just the supercharger + intercooler

 

 

 

I paid the same amount way back in 1998 for an intercooled Vortech SC for my 97 Cobra .

I veiwed it then as money well spent . I'd likely say the same now .

Up here where i live , for the grand price of $48000 Canadian dollars ( all taxes in ) . The 5.0 with SC can be had . Thats at least $20000 cheaper than the 2011 GT500 .

Granted , the 5.0 does not come with the " Prestige " of being a Shelby , but , thats an awefull lot of HP for a decent price IMO . I think Ford is on to a winner with this combo .

[COBRA SCOTTY]

Hard to believe the HP gains since the GT has 11.0 to 1 compression ratio. Just amazing, Two kits....one 525 HP....the other 624

 

http://blogs.musclemustangfastfords.com/6705507/mustang-news/ford-racing-announces-new-2011-50l-supercharger/index.html

 

That is at the motor just make sure that nobody is confused,

 

Scotty

[MMcGuirk]

I understand that the rods and pistons need to be upgraded for any boost over 3 lbs. Is that true?

 

Tom

 

You will have first hand knowledge soon, as I plan on having the 9# kit on my GT350.

 

As my dear friend, a distinguished Shelby enthusiast from the great state of Texas, pointed out - a new crate 5.0 Coyote long block is $5700.00 from FRPP.

 

I will take my chances

[darthracer777]

That is at the motor just make sure that nobody is confused,

 

Scotty

 

 

LOL....I'm not confused. What, you thought I was thinking that the kit added 525 HP? LOL...............

 

My point was that with 11:1 C/R, it's amazing that they can get even 7 psi out of the SC without potential pre-detonation issues. I believe the '11 GT500 5.4L engine has 8.4:1 C/R.

[William Rodgers]

So stock the new GT is light years ahead of the prior 4.6 model, but with a SC they are about the same, if I am reading this correct. All due to the PSI they can handle. Maybe they will produce more than advertised like the Whipple 550 does in most cases.

[PistolWhip]

A supercharger is not the best option for an engine with that kind of compression if you ask me. The HP per $ is just way to low and the potential ceiling is pretty much what you get right from the start. If there was some room to grow I'd tell a different tale, but with that car I'd be all over a mild nitrous set up and then focus the rest of the cost into other avenues of power and traction increases.

This is coming from a VERY BIG fan of boost too. My last 5 cars were supercharged and one was turbo charged, so it pains me to say that, but I just think you could get more for your money and have a safer set up that could probable be reverted for warranty work should you run into a problem. Still cool though that the option is there right from Ford.

[CobraKaz]

 

LOL....I'm not confused. What, you thought I was thinking that the kit added 525 HP? LOL............... My point was that with 11:1 C/R, it's amazing that they can get even 7 psi out of the SC without potential pre-detonation issues. I believe the '11 GT500 5.4L engine has 8.4:1 C/R.

You gotta wonder what a stock GT500 would put out with just the pulley swap to 2.6 and a bump in CR say to 10:1 .

[Ezkill]

I paid the same amount way back in 1998 for an intercooled Vortech SC for my 97 Cobra .

I veiwed it then as money well spent . I'd likely say the same now .

Up here where i live , for the grand price of $48000 Canadian dollars ( all taxes in ) . The 5.0 with SC can be had . Thats at least $20000 cheaper than the 2011 GT500 .

Granted , the 5.0 does not come with the " Prestige " of being a Shelby , but , thats an awefull lot of HP for a decent price IMO . I think Ford is on to a winner with this combo .

 

 

You're shopping in the wrong place, 68k for a Shelby lol.

 

They can be had for less then 60 including the SVTPP in Canada all taxes in. So lets call the diffence more like 10-12k. I'm not saying the 5.0L isn't a good deal it's just not 20k less.

[CobraKaz]

You're shopping in the wrong place, 68k for a Shelby lol.

 

They can be had for less then 60 including the SVTPP in Canada all taxes in. So lets call the diffence more like 10-12k. I'm not saying the 5.0L isn't a good deal it's just not 20k less.

 

 

Going rate here in Ontario is $62449 plus 13% taxes .This is for SVT package .

At this moment in time , you will not get dealers selling for less than sticker price .

Include glass roof and Nav and the price SOARS to a whopping $65.949 before taxes.

Add 13% for HST and other incidentals , your looking at over $75.000.

Thats a huge chunk of $$$$$

[Ezkill]

Going rate here in Ontario is $62449 plus 13% taxes .This is for SVT package . At this moment in time , you will not get dealers selling for less than sticker price . Now , include glass roof and Nav and the price SOARS to a whopping $65.949 before taxes. Add 13% for HST and other incidentals , your looking at over $75.000. Now thats a big chunk of $$$$$

 

 

I wrote a check for less then 60 including taxes, SVT package and extended warranty package(1100 dollars). "Going rate" is what the dealer tells you until you pull out a check book, show him his cost on the car and then tell him that's what you're paying. The markup on a Shelby is over 5k and I guarantee you don't have to pay all or any of it for that matter. The markup on a GT is much less therefore you can't get quite the discount on them. I just did some checking around and my price difference would be about 11,400 with a GT optioned out apples to apples. People often forget that standard equipment on a Shelby(Brembos, rims, rubber, gears) are all options on the GT.

[DubbsFaris]

Thanks Michael, Im looking at getting the SC now as well. At 7k for the SC as an option on the 350, I thought it was very high, and I would save money buying and installing myself, but since the price is actually CHEAPER, I'll let Shelby do the leg work for me...a great deal actually in the end. And with SA willing to put the 624hp kit on for a couple hundred bucks difference and merely signing a waiver on the warranty, yup...seems the way to go. You know guys, all the horsepower in the world wont help ANY car on a track. The 5.4 platform is great for the dragstrip and safe to 1000HP+, but with the Mustang GT and GT350, 624 SAE HP should be MORE than enough to crush most rivals on the track and still get some great drag numbers as well. Will it beat a GT500 on a 1/4 mile? Well, yeah, stock configuration with either SC configuration should make it equal or better versus a stock GT500. And if you buy a Mustang GT fully loaded for 36k, and add the 7k for a SC, you are looking at a 624HP mustang, for 43k vs. a 52k GT500 rated at 550HP. If you dont plan on adding a ton of power to the GT500, it isnt a bad deal at all if performance is your only measure. Owning a Shelby is more valuable to 95% of us here though, which is the true difference. Will the GT500 have a chance against the GT350SC 624 on a road course? No. Not a chance. What excites me is how well the Terlingua has performed on the track, and after riding in the GT350 prototype at Hallett, all I can say is the GT350 at 520HP ate the Terlingua's lunches all day long. With 624HP? Man that is just a sick thought. :happy feet:

[Ezkill]

I pointed out in another thread where the disparity is coming from as I did a lot of research into this before actually making a buy.

 

Sure you can slap 624 horsepower on the 5.0L but will it last? Remember this is a high compression engine without forged internals that several Ford Engineers have been quoted on saying that it wasn't designed to hold boost.

 

I can't stress this enough for anyone making a decision. It's simply NOT that one sided. You can slap a supercharger on a 5.0L say you saved 12k but it's still not a GT500 and I'm not talking about the "prestige". Build the engine, change the suspension, upgrade the transmission and clutch. The 12k will disappear very quickly.

[nitronate]

I pointed out in another thread where the disparity is coming from as I did a lot of research into this before actually making a buy.

 

Sure you can slap 624 horsepower on the 5.0L but will it last? Remember this is a high compression engine without forged internals that several Ford Engineers have been quoted on saying that it wasn't designed to hold boost.

 

I can't stress this enough for anyone making a decision. It's simply NOT that one sided. You can slap a supercharger on a 5.0L say you saved 12k but it's still not a GT500 and I'm not talking about the "prestige". Build the engine, change the suspension, upgrade the transmission and clutch. The 12k will disappear very quickly.

 

 

+1. i completely agree. the 5.0L internals were a big part of why i decided to spend the money on a GT500. once you start building a 5.0L up to handle the horsepower that the engine and drivetrain of the GT500 can handle, you are going to end up spending big $$$$, if you want to do it RIGHT and make it reliable. everything is only as strong as the weakest link and there are a lot of links that have to be beefed up in a 5.0L to handle big power.

[CobraKaz]

I wrote a check for less then 60 including taxes, SVT package and extended warranty package(1100 dollars). "Going rate" is what the dealer tells you until you pull out a check book, show him his cost on the car and then tell him that's what you're paying. The markup on a Shelby is over 5k and I guarantee you don't have to pay all or any of it for that matter. The markup on a GT is much less therefore you can't get quite the discount on them. I just did some checking around and my price difference would be about 11,400 with a GT optioned out apples to apples. People often forget that standard equipment on a Shelby(Brembos, rims, rubber, gears) are all options on the GT.

 

 

 

Whats the sticker price on a 2011 in AB ?

[Ezkill]

Whats the sticker price on a 2011 in AB ?

 

MSRP is the same Canada wide I believe.

 

Don't quote me on this because I don't have it in front of me but 60,499 for a base car and 2,000 MSRP for SVT pack(yes the package is cheaper then in the USA). I simply don't remember because I didn't work off of MSRP. Taxes are also only 5 percent in Alberta.

[DubbsFaris]

I pointed out in another thread where the disparity is coming from as I did a lot of research into this before actually making a buy.

 

Sure you can slap 624 horsepower on the 5.0L but will it last? Remember this is a high compression engine without forged internals that several Ford Engineers have been quoted on saying that it wasn't designed to hold boost.

 

I can't stress this enough for anyone making a decision. It's simply NOT that one sided. You can slap a supercharger on a 5.0L say you saved 12k but it's still not a GT500 and I'm not talking about the "prestige". Build the engine, change the suspension, upgrade the transmission and clutch. The 12k will disappear very quickly.

 

 

So explain to me why the GT350 prototype which has the supercharger and has 50k miles put on it, MOSTLY in a TRACK setting, has held up without a single problem?

 

I know you guys fear the compression ratio, but perhaps this engine is built to handle it? I dont know, Im not an engine designer, but as a practical businessman, I would have to think that Ford wouldn't design and use an engine that would not allow them to continue the supercharger and other mod market for their main staple engine.

 

Until folks start blowing 5.0s left and right, Im not gonna worry about it.

[Ezkill]

So explain to me why the GT350 prototype which has the supercharger and has 50k miles put on it, MOSTLY in a TRACK setting, has held up without a single problem?

 

 

 

This thread has already de-railed in a lot of ways so I don't really want to write a litany about it here.

 

The 5.0L drive train has been broken a lot, even by sponsors of this forum, without adding a super charger.

 

There are a few threads on this forum that have quotes from Ford Engineers, guys that designed the engine, talking about it not being designed for boost.

 

This thread is about the 5.0L of today, not about the test mule 350, does it have forged internals?(I'm talking about the mule not the production car) Nor the boss that will come with forged internals via a press release. This was a thread talking about the current 5.0L and the cost savings over a GT500. Your GT350 package is certainly not saving you any money over a 5.0L or GT500.

[CobraKaz]

MSRP is the same Canada wide I believe.

 

Don't quote me on this because I don't have it in front of me but 60,499 for a base car and 2,000 MSRP for SVT pack(yes the package is cheaper then in the USA). I simply don't remember because I didn't work off of MSRP. Taxes are also only 5 percent in Alberta.

 

 

We're @ 13% here now , but if you got your 2011 for under $60.000 taxes in in off the lot , trust me , you did extremely well .

I did the same as everyone else , go back and forth with the sales men , they did not even care .

I was going between 5 different dealers , none of them would budge . In about another month with Winter coming they change their tune but right now , STICKER is what it is .

[Ezkill]

We're @ 13% here now , but if you got your 2011 for under $60.000 taxes in in off the lot , trust me , you did extremely well .

I did the same as everyone else , go back and forth with the sales men , they did not even care .

I was going between 5 different dealers , none of them would budge . In about another month with Winter coming they change their tune but right now , STICKER is what it is .

 

My situation is a bit unique as I have a unique relashionship with a dealer through work. There are quite a few people on the board who paid basically dealer cost for one reason or another. Many more people have purchased 2010's at cost but you are correct it may be a bit early to walk in off the street and do that with a 2011. Come winter when 6 of them are parked inside and no one's inquired about them in two months it will be totally a different story. That's all part of what I was saying though. The mark up on a GT500 is so high that should you get one at cost it really is only 12k or so more then a similarily optioned GT.

[davegt500]

Is this with the 6 speed automatic tranny? Anyone know? That would be nice, if the automatic could take the gaff...no clutch problems, no 1-2 shift problems.

[FURAFURA]

In Puerto Rico a 2011 SVT shelby cost $85,000, dealer charge $65,000 and the gov tax is $20,000 and we are not even international, we are a territory of the U.S. you guys are lucky!!