07SGT5687 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 ** I swear I already posted this this morning, but when I came back to see if there were any responses, I could not find it. So if this is a repost... I apologize! So I need to get an intake and tune on my SGT. I used to have the C&L Street (cast) and Evo tunes on my 05GT and I loved it. Well, loved the tunes, loved the power, but the cast intake was always so blasted hot. I'd actually ice it between runs. So my question is, what intakes/tunes are you guys running? I'd REALLY like to keep the SGT/FRPP filter/airbox but just add an intake and tune. I have my eye on the C&L racer (black plastic) intake since it looks very similar to stock. So does anyone know if I can match up the C&L Racer intake to the FRPP filter/airbox? I need my Evo tunes and I think that setup would look real good?! Thoughts? PS - I saw Evolution is a sponsor over here... Fred - if you see this, can you please chime in? (I'm the guy from Idaho that asked for an 85 octane tune for an 05 GT a few years back.... LMAO remember me?!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 ** I swear I already posted this this morning, but when I came back to see if there were any responses, I could not find it. So if this is a repost... I apologize! So I need to get an intake and tune on my SGT. I used to have the C&L Street (cast) and Evo tunes on my 05GT and I loved it. Well, loved the tunes, loved the power, but the cast intake was always so blasted hot. I'd actually ice it between runs. So my question is, what intakes/tunes are you guys running? I'd REALLY like to keep the SGT/FRPP filter/airbox but just add an intake and tune. I have my eye on the C&L racer (black plastic) intake since it looks very similar to stock. So does anyone know if I can match up the C&L Racer intake to the FRPP filter/airbox? I need my Evo tunes and I think that setup would look real good?! Thoughts? PS - I saw Evolution is a sponsor over here... Fred - if you see this, can you please chime in? (I'm the guy from Idaho that asked for an 85 octane tune for an 05 GT a few years back.... LMAO remember me?!) The ford racing intake is the way to go with an EVO tune or brenspeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 You mean just leave the one thats on there then? That rubber intake tube looks tiny compared to the C&L I used to run. I thought a bigger one would be best for added airflow. Or is there another ford racing one you're speaking of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Is this the one you are speaking of? M-9603-M463 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Not sure how a bigger tube will help with the stock MAF and throttlebody. I have the CF tube from Steeda which is bigger and smoother then the stock tube but it does not provide any noticeable improvement over stock. The tune is where all the gain is made. As the stock SGT MAF and tube are already better then the base GT, a new larger tube will not help unless you allow more air in thru the MAF. I believe the complete C&L and JLT kits are the only two on market as a kit that allow for more air, but you are still limited by the throttlebody. They only way I know around the stock MAF & throttlebody beside replacing them is thru forced induction or spray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Not sure how a bigger tube will help with the stock MAF and throttlebody. I have the CF tube from Steeda which is bigger and smoother then the stock tube but it does not provide any noticeable improvement over stock. The tune is where all the gain is made. As the stock SGT MAF and tube are already better then the base GT, a new larger tube will not help unless you allow more air in thru the MAF. I believe the complete C&L and JLT kits are the only two on market as a kit that allow for more air, but you are still limited by the throttlebody. They only way I know around the stock MAF & throttlebody beside replacing them is thru forced induction or spray. As I stated, I will be going with a tune as well, but I think it's pretty well documented that a tune isn't nearly as effective if not paired with an intake and more airflow. Granted we're talking much lower incremental power on NA cars, but to the best of my knowledge the stock intake is/was more of a bottleneck in airflow than the TB. Ultimately, I want to upgrade to the FRPP TB and intake manifold too, but a at $1000+ combined, I'd like to get a better understanding of what benefit those 2 would be before I jump on that one. My current understanding is that, NA, those 2 do not yield much, if anything. Regardless, I know the C&L and Evo tunes gained me a great amount of power, my real question remains at what is the best intake/tune combo to get that will get me the gains I was used to, while trying to maintain a somewhat stock SGT look. My understanding is the FRPP may be that. I was really hoping I could manage to pair the C&L Racer intake and keep the FRPP filter and airbox, but it looks doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 That's what I'm saying. You will not see a measurable gain attributed to/by swapping the intake tube between the MAF and throttlebody regardless of the tune. The Stock SGT tube is just a good as any (just not as pretty) on the market when paired with the stock throttlebody & MAF housing. This is why C&L and JLT include a new housing for the MAF. I believe the C&L kit uses a MAF housing that is the same size as what is currenly on the SGT which is larger then the base Mustang GT. I know that the JLT kit is larger then the stock SGT. Bottom line, if you want to keep the SGT MAF housing and filter, regardless of the tune, there is nothing to be gained by swapping the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 I understand. So do know if the FRPP setup is larger than the one we have? So comparable to the C&L/JLT? Or is that pretty much the same size as our? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 The one you have being the stock SGT setup? No the FRPP kit is not better, its more of the same. The SGT came with a prior version of the current FRPP intake being sold. As far as I know, the JLT kit is the only intake on the market that is better/bigger then the stock SGT setup. Now, tunes are different story. Any tune with the stock SGT intake will see a substantial performance improvement. Go with the JLT kit and you should see slightly better numbers. How much are you looking to spend. I have a preditor with three Bama tunes and bullet Steeda Charge Motion delete plates I'm trying to sell. The tunes are SGT and delete plate specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Ok, that makes sense. I knew the FRPP kit was at least different looking, but it makes sense that it's just the new "iteration". So if I understand right, if I want to stay fairly stock looking, I just need my tunes. Stick with the "stock" SGT airbox/filter/tube/MAF and just tune it? Sounds like a a good idea. I HAVE my SCT with my EVo tunes on it, but I just need to see if Fred will "recode" them to the new strategy code o the 07 and maybe tweak them a little if necessary from the C&L I used to have in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Bingo! I'll qualify everything I said with, 'I'm not an expert'. They guys who tune for a living are the ones you want to validate your plans and goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Bingo! I'll qualify everything I said with, 'I'm not an expert'. They guys who tune for a living are the ones you want to validate your plans and goals. Too Late! I hold you personally responsible for any/all malfunction, dissatisfaction or relative issues here and thereafter! j/k Thanks for the help. I swear I've gotten more help/advice from this one forum in a weeks time than I have from all previous Mustang forums in my previous 4 years of ownership. So I just put forth my questions to Fred at Evo to see what he thinks. I also just remembered that I also have the old C&L Street intake sitting around... and a friend that wants to high-temp resistant powder coat it for me... maybe I should go that way. But I've never liked the C&L air shield... or sheet of plastic... too many options... especially for an indecisive prick like me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted August 5, 2010 Report Share Posted August 5, 2010 I understand. So do know if the FRPP setup is larger than the one we have? So comparable to the C&L/JLT? Or is that pretty much the same size as our? What, I did was anderson ford power tube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ilmor Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 I'm going with theBrenspeed tune (someday) and keeping the stock filter / CAI. Following that I'd like to install the Detroit Rocker cams, at which time I would get a revised tune from Brenspeed to accomodate those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL SHELBY Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 If you are going after looks, check steeda's tube. Steeda developed the SGT intake, or so I've been told. Their CF and black plasic tube will swap in directly. Check my gallery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT4578 Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Go with one of the two Steeda intake tubes (Choices are carbon fiber, and black plastic) neither will give you a noticeable performance increase, but look so much better to the eyes. Call Brent at Brenspeed, they have by far the best tune for a stock SGT out there. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT4578 Posted August 6, 2010 Report Share Posted August 6, 2010 Go with one of the two Steeda intake tubes (Choices are carbon fiber, and black plastic) neither will give you a noticeable performance increase, but look so much better to the eyes. Call Brent at Brenspeed, they have by far the best tune for a stock SGT out there. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 So I decided to make some calls today... Called Evolution Performance. Talked to Kent. First I must say that he was borderline short and rude. He seemed rushed and I felt like every question I had was a dumb one. So I asked him a number of questions which came down to I at the very least need new tunes... I asked how much for 3 (just since that what I used to have)... $250 each... $750 for 3 tunes! And yet, they sell a combo with ANOTHER programmer, ANOTHER intake and get three tunes for the $525 with a JLT intake... something not sound right here? Next call, Brenspeed. Talked to John. Good guy, seemed eager to help and get me to fully understand what he felt I should do or needed to do for my goals. $75 per tune, $125 for 3 tunes, Free future tunes with the purchase of parts requiring a retune. Octane tunes only. For example, 87/91/93 octane tunes, each "fully optimized". His feelings are that the stock SGT intake will be just as good, if not microscopically less performance capable than upgrading to a non-stock looking JLT, C&L, etc. Had I had my ECM number handy, I might have bought those tunes on the spot. Third call, American Muscle about Bama tunes. Talked to Rich. Very nice guy, eager to talk as long as I wanted to about what I needed/wanted. Seemed to have some really good understanding and even had some custom mod suggestions. $50 per tune, $150 for 3 tunes and LIFETIME updates. "Performance Level" tunes. Suggested a "bad gas" tune of 87 octane, "Street" tune with "low RPM torque" (91 or 93 oct.), and race tune with "aggressive throttle and torque response -- not suggested for street use" at 91 or 93 oct. At this point Evo is out. To this point, I've never received very good responses (if any) and only short, what some may call, rude service. I'm on the fence now between Bama and Brenspeed (I know... just like everyone else always has)... I like the flexibility and lifetime tuning from Bama, but the Brenspeed tunes will be free if I buy the parts from them anyway and they appear to have the best prices... So... please sound off... ******WHOSE TUNES DO YOU HAVE? (Bama? Brenspeed? Other?) ******WHAT CAI DO YOU HAVE? (C&L? JLT? Steeda? Other?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I have used the Brenspeed tunes with my stock SGT since early 2008... The 3 "octane" level tunes are just fine for me on the street & track... 87 Octane for those long trips, just cruising down the Interstate (saves a little $$ over the cost of Premium)... 92 Octane "Street" tune to replace the OEM "Shelby" Tune... Better low-end torque and more linear HP/TQ curves when plotted out on the dyno charts... 92 Octane "Track" tune for when I attend any Open Track or Street Drag events... And I chose the 92 octane setting, so that I could run 91 to 93 without worrying too much about not having the right grade of fuel for the specific tune... And I am NOT supercharged, so things aren't quite as critical either... However, I do try to use the 100 Octane "Race" fuel when I can, just to make sure when I am going around the track, I don't have to worry about any detonation, etc. brenspeeddyno.pdf Good Luck! Gregg 07SGT054 Edit = Added my info to the poll... Also, best time at Drag Strip = 13.7 sec @ 105 MPH And I typically run in either the Advanced or Upper Intermediate groups during the Open Track events brenspeeddyno.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I have used the Brenspeed tunes with my stock SGT since early 2008... The 3 "octane" level tunes are just fine for me on the street & track... 87 Octane for those long trips, just cruising down the Interstate (saves a little $$ over the cost of Premium)... 92 Octane "Street" tune to replace the OEM "Shelby" Tune... Better low-end torque and more linear HP/TQ curves when plotted out on the dyno charts... 92 Octane "Track" tune for when I attend any Open Track or Street Drag events... And I chose the 92 octane setting, so that I could run 91 to 93 without worrying too much about not having the right grade of fuel for the specific tune... And I am NOT supercharged, so things aren't quite as critical either... However, I do try to use the 100 Octane "Race" fuel when I can, just to make sure when I am going around the track, I don't have to worry about any detonation, etc. brenspeeddyno.pdf Edit = Added my info to the poll... Also, best time at Drag Strip = 13.7 sec @ 105 MPH And I typically run in either the Advanced or Upper Intermediate groups during the Open Track events Interesting, I like seeing the numbers. Were those HP/TQ numbers corrected? My 05GT used to run 290/296 with my old Evo tunes, C&L intake and UDPs. What tune did you dyno with? Any other engine mods? That's impressive actually. NHRA altitude corrected you ran a 13.50/106.5 vs. my stock 14.07/101.13 (1st runs in this car) vs. my old '05 GT 13.60/105.38. Even though my old HP/TQ numbers used to be a bit higher, it would appear your SGT, as setup, is quicker. Nice. I like seeing high dyno numbers, but not as much as I like seeing low track numbers! Chalk one up for Brenspeed. ANYONE ELSE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT0547 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Interesting, I like seeing the numbers. Were those HP/TQ numbers corrected? My 05GT used to run 290/296 with my old Evo tunes, C&L intake and UDPs. What tune did you dyno with? Any other engine mods? That's impressive actually. NHRA altitude corrected you ran a 13.50/106.5 vs. my stock 14.07/101.13 (1st runs in this car) vs. my old '05 GT 13.60/105.38. Even though my old HP/TQ numbers used to be a bit higher, it would appear your SGT, as setup, is quicker. Nice. I like seeing high dyno numbers, but not as much as I like seeing low track numbers! Chalk one up for Brenspeed. ANYONE ELSE? Have never had my SGT on a DYNO... This printout was from the Brenspeed website when I was looking for a tune... I liked the look of the linear curves (red line) at the lower RPMs... Makes the car "drive" much smoother when you are just cruising around... And I liked it so much, I purchased another set of similar tunes for my wife's 2006 Mustang V-6 Coupe... Added an Airaid CAI, dual exhausts and Hurst short-throw shifter, just to make daily driving a little more enjoyable for her... Gregg 07SGT0547 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I see. Thanks for the clarification. Those track times are still impressive. My guess would be that your car is beating those "baseline" dyno numbers they sent you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 Well, just ordered the Brendspeed tunes. $125 for 3 and free upgrades with the purchase of tunable parts from them. Seems like a hell of a deal compared to the $750 Evolution wanted... $250 a pop and no adjustments... $250 every time you want a "new tune".... I digress. Hopefully I can get them by the next drag night, next Friday. Would be nice to see what kind of gains I can throw down and then do the pulley install before the following race night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07SGT5687 Posted August 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2010 PS - more votes on CAIs please! I'm not sure if I'm going to do it or not, but I'd really like to see what more people think about brands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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