bpmurr Posted July 22, 2010 Report Share Posted July 22, 2010 As many of you know my stock clutch and flywheel were burnt up after 9400 miles of daily driving. I couldn't get an OEM replacement in a month so I decided to get a McLeod RST and Flywheel. The dealer installed it with a 2009 slave cylinder per Lethal's recommendations. After driving it a few miles I noticed two things. - A really loud sound coming from the car at 1500 RPMS, so loud that you can hear it over everything else and outside of the car at a distance YouTube - Drivetrain Noise - Having to fight to get it into 1st or reverse at a dead stop. I took it back to the dealer Monday and they took the car apart today. Here are pics of my RST and Light Steel Flywheel. I'm interested in everyones thoughts as to what the hell might be going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 The clutch finally got to McLeod today. They offered to refund me for the unit. However, Ford can't get me another OEM unit until late August. With all the 07-09 owners doing the TSB the clutch is on backorder. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Roll the dice on the dealer installing another McLeod or wait for the OEM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torched10 Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 The clutch finally got to McLeod today. They offered to refund me for the unit. However, Ford can't get me another OEM unit until late August. With all the 07-09 owners doing the TSB the clutch is on backorder. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Roll the dice on the dealer installing another McLeod or wait for the OEM? //man i feel your pain--that really sucks---would your dealer take it as is on a 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 // man i feel your pain--that really sucks---would your dealer take it as is on a 2011 At the moment they can't. They only are getting one more 2011 and he can't sell that one at cost. He's trying to get an additional allocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 If your concerned about a possible missmatch of parts go with the OEM list on the TSB.......... The exta wait will be worth it.............Mine drives better now than when I first took delivery............... :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 If your concerned about a possible missmatch of parts go with the OEM list on the TSB.......... The exta wait will be worth it.............Mine drives better now than when I first took delivery............... :happy feet: What you got is what my car came with and went up after 9400 miles. I'm very aware of what the clutch feels like and in that regard the McLeod feels the same. However, I had issues putting the car into gear at a stop and a loud noise at 1500-1700 RPM with the McLeod. I'm not sure if that was installer error or McLeod sending me a bad part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 What you got is what my car came with and went up after 9400 miles. I'm very aware of what the clutch feels like and in that regard the McLeod feels the same. However, I had issues putting the car into gear at a stop and a loud noise at 1500-1700 RPM with the McLeod. I'm not sure if that was installer error or McLeod sending me a bad part. You mentioned that they installed an 07/09 CSC which is obviously much larger in length than the 10/11 one............This I would be concerned about............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 You mentioned that they installed an 07/09 CSC which is obviously much larger in length than the 10/11 one............This I would be concerned about............... CSC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 CSC? Clutch Slave Cylinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Clutch Slave Cylinder Yes, Lethal told me the 07-09 unit was required since the 2010 unit is longer and doesn't work with the RST clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Yes, Lethal told me the 07-09 unit was required since the 2010 unit is longer and doesn't work with the RST clutch. Due to your problem maybe a measurment is in order to be sure the clutch was able to fully engage????? The 2010 CSC is "SHORTER"......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 Due to your problem maybe a measurment is in order to be sure the clutch was able to fully engage????? The 2010 CSC is "SHORTER"......... The 2010 unit has a longer throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 The 2010 unit has a longer throw. And along with the other OEM parts did not make loud noises at 1500 RPM????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullens Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 I'd wait for the OEM clutch. I know it sucks waiting, but you're going to have downtime anyway, so get the OEM and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloyDropTop Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Will they give you a sweet Focus to drive while you wait for the parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFreak Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 The clutch finally got to McLeod today. They offered to refund me for the unit. However, Ford can't get me another OEM unit until late August. With all the 07-09 owners doing the TSB the clutch is on backorder. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Roll the dice on the dealer installing another McLeod or wait for the OEM? bpmurr, First of all, sorry for your pain. I can't imagine what you might be feeling. Secondly, by no means am I even a novice at reading clutch wear but why did McLeod offer to give you a refund? Did the inspection say it all? Again, from a novice view the spots on that part to the far upper right look strange. Almost, like infrequent heat rash, catching ever so slightly. Then that part to the far left with the burn ring about half way through doesn't look consistent. Why only half way through? Seem like rubbing and disengagement is not working properly????? In the end I hope you get better than new. You deserve it Best of luck, DaFreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Clutch Slave Cylinder Concentric Slave Cylinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 The clutch finally got to McLeod today. They offered to refund me for the unit. However, Ford can't get me another OEM unit until late August. With all the 07-09 owners doing the TSB the clutch is on backorder. I'm not sure what to do at this point. Roll the dice on the dealer installing another McLeod or wait for the OEM? bpmurr, Have you considered filing a lemon law claim with your state's Consumer Protection agency? For months, many of us here on TS have watched the difficulties you've experienced with your new Shelby. If Ford won't make this right for you in a timely fashion (not months from now), you should consider soliciting state agency assistance (and maybe the BBB too) in order to get some help resolving this ongoing problem. This isn't normal. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Concentric Slave Cylinder. Is the "Clutch" not a "Concentric" part????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mciarochi Posted July 31, 2010 Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 Very strange. I just had my clutch done and the whole kit came in less than a week. August is only like, tomorrow. Maybe it's not as long as you think. I paid for mine, BTW, so I'm not sure why anybody thinks all the '07 '08 guys are sucking up all the clutches on the TSB. It's not like they just hand out free clutches. I got 39K miles on mine. Whatever clutch you buy, the CSC and all parts should either be provided by the manufacturer or spelled out. If McLoed is refunding, it's probably not because the wrong parts were used, or they'd put it back on the dealer. I'm not meaning to be critical, but it might be worth having a ride-along and have somebody critique your clutch technique, just in case that could be the problem. That damage can certainly come from a poorly installed (dirty) clutch, oil leak, or insufficient clamping power from the pressure plate. It usually comes from a left foot, which is why these claims are often disputed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted July 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2010 And along with the other OEM parts did not make loud noises at 1500 RPM????????? Correct, I heard no noise. Three of the independent mechanics I took it too swore the noise was metal on metal vibration coming from somewhere in the driveline. Will they give you a sweet Focus to drive while you wait for the parts? Funny you say this. I'm driving a 2011 Fiesta while I wait. It was a car I ordered for a daily driver. Needless to say I'm not buying it until all this is resolved. Nice little car by the way. bpmurr, Have you considered filing a lemon law claim with your state's Consumer Protection agency? For months, many of us here on TS have watched the difficulties you've experienced with your new Shelby. If Ford won't make this right for you in a timely fashion (not months from now), you should consider soliciting state agency assistance (and maybe the BBB too) in order to get some help resolving this ongoing problem. This isn't normal. Good luck! Thinking about that now, as I'm growing very impatient. Very strange. I just had my clutch done and the whole kit came in less than a week. August is only like, tomorrow. Maybe it's not as long as you think. I paid for mine, BTW, so I'm not sure why anybody thinks all the '07 '08 guys are sucking up all the clutches on the TSB. It's not like they just hand out free clutches. I got 39K miles on mine. Whatever clutch you buy, the CSC and all parts should either be provided by the manufacturer or spelled out. If McLoed is refunding, it's probably not because the wrong parts were used, or they'd put it back on the dealer. I'm not meaning to be critical, but it might be worth having a ride-along and have somebody critique your clutch technique, just in case that could be the problem. That damage can certainly come from a poorly installed (dirty) clutch, oil leak, or insufficient clamping power from the pressure plate. It usually comes from a left foot, which is why these claims are often disputed. I had a couple people watch how I drive and said my manual driving skills are fine. I've never had an issue with any of my other manual cars. My 2005 GT has 58k on it and is all original and drives like new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted August 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I spoke with McLeod today. They reconditioned the unit and made sure the bottom disc wasn't dragging anymore. I currently have two options. 1) Get a full refund minus shipping on the McLeod and install another OEM when they become available at the end of August. 2) Have the dealer reinstalled the recondition and tested McLeod unit with guidance from Lee at McLeod. I'm torn on what to do. I really just want to enjoy the car again. In my situation would would you all do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F150 Duke Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I spoke with McLeod today. They reconditioned the unit and made sure the bottom disc wasn't dragging anymore. I currently have two options. 1) Get a full refund minus shipping on the McLeod and install another OEM when they become available at the end of August. 2) Have the dealer reinstalled the recondition and tested McLeod unit with guidance from Lee at McLeod. I'm torn on what to do. I really just want to enjoy the car again. In my situation would would you all do? OEM without a doubt. That is if the car is meant for daily driving and not purpose driven like track or drag racing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpmurr Posted August 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 OEM without a doubt. That is if the car is meant for daily driving and not purpose driven like track or drag racing. Well the RST is their street unit. It is made of the same organic material as the OEM unit. Right now I'm not really confident in the OEM unit since it failed after 9400 miles of daily driving. It's the first manual trans car I've ever had a problem with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpevin Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 If they are willing to pay the labor to take it out again, and refund you for the RST if its not right the second time I would go for it. If they are going to tell you to pound sand if its not right then wait for the OEM and get your money back IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 bpmurr, Go with the OEM. If it tanks again, IMO it will make your lemon claim stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torched10 Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 bpmurr, Go with the OEM. If it tanks again, IMO it will make your lemon claim stronger. Im with kpevin--you already know the first OEM failed---if they agree to kpevins deal, id do it in a heart beat--theres no downside risk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubstang Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 OEM with a warranty from Ford. Sucks that you have to wait, but I think it's worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cdvision Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I'm wondering if the problem with your car isn't something deeper. Like a manufacturing defect somewhere in the driveline that is preventing the clutch from aligning 100%. Something like that might be very difficult to diagnose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVT NAJA Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 I'm wondering if the problem with your car isn't something deeper. Like a manufacturing defect somewhere in the driveline that is preventing the clutch from aligning 100%. Something like that might be very difficult to diagnose. Cdvision, Exactly! That's why bpmurr should go with the OEM unit and keep it an ALL Ford problem. When (if) the clutch fails again (keeping in mind we haven't received other reports of the 2010 clutch failing), then bpmurr will have an excellent lemon law claim and score a new Shelby, maybe even a 2011 by the time the transaction takes place. Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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