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Good morning guys.

Let me just start out by saying I never saw Al Gore's movie and am a registered Republican....and drive and have ALWAYS driven fast gas guzzling cars.

 

That said- why are we not talking about what is going on down in our beautiful Gulf waters? I mean, as it relates to our beloved personal transportation? I am ONLY throwing this out for intelligent discussion, I promise!

 

Is it time to get off oil? You know what that would mean? I personally have had 'visions' for the FIRST time in my life, not driving a gas powered automobile. It's a scary thought to me, at 50 y.o., as my Dad and my Granddad's all drove fast cars. Heck, and back in their day, the cars weighed twice what they do today, and got way poorer fuel economy. So, on that front, we have made big strides. I cannot see myself driving a Prius, or Insight, or especially worse yet, a Tesla Roadster. Can you imagine an all electric car??? The exhaust note gone forever!? We would need a cd for the radio to pipe-in exhaust note! Lol!

 

Seriously though...my wife and I never had kids, and I can't even imagine what this 'spew' has and continues to do to our water down there...not to mention the poor helpless animals and marine life! What have we left for the coming generations? Forget for a minute who caused it, how it happened, and hold back , for just a minute that stone you want to throw at BP or maybe Obama. ........................

 

WHAT DO WE DO NOW? HOW DO WE PROCEED? IS ANYONE WILLING TO GIVE UP THEIR GAS POWERED CAR YET? Any thoughts...it's friggin' scary guys. Thanks for listening.

 

Bikeboy

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"I cannot see myself driving a Prius, or Insight, or especially worse yet, a Tesla Roadster. Can you imagine an all electric car??? The exhaust note gone forever!? We would need a cd for the radio to pipe-in exhaust note! Lol!"

 

 

I saw something on the news the other night about electric cars being too quiet. Now there is a problem with that, blind people listen for the engine and exhaust noise so they can determine if a car is close by. One manufacture is going to add a sound to their cars to help with this problem.

 

 

http://cbs13.com/local/electric.cars.noise.2.798947.html

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As WP64 on this forum memorialized in a bumper sticker created just for our cars: “Fossil Fuels Are Yummy.” I am not ready to renounce them just yet. Definitely in favor of trying to do the harvesting of oil better and cleaner, of course, and it if costs a nickel more to have it be that way, I am good with that too.

 

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What's pathetic is "we have more oil on US land than we can use in 100 lifetimes" (a quote from the retired Shell CEO). But the gov't won't allow us to drill on US land in these 2 specific locations he mentioned (forget their names) even though it's a million times safer than offshore drilling and would drive all our needs for oil locally. Now Obama has the "hault" on drilling here offshore and is driving these global companies to drill in Brazil's offshore wells which are 2x as deep as our current issue well from BP. headscratch.gif

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Ok, here is just one opinion from a person who has lived around this for his entire life.

 

First, Getting rid of oil will never happen. we depend on it for so many things in everyday life besides driving cars that it will never go away. I dare you to imagine a world wthout any form of plastic. Think of it. no TVs, cell phones, modern childrens toys, 20oz soda bottles, stereo speakers, etc.

 

Second, not all oil comapnies are as piss poor as BP when it comes to safety and/ or cutting corners. Here in Texas, BP has almost always been at the front of any local problem with a refinery or plant. Hell, they had a problem just this week in Texas City again. Most of the other companies do a pretty good job about overall safety compliance.

 

Third, no fuel system is perfect from an environmental or social standpoint. if you don't believe me just search out where the products to make the Lithium-Ion battery come from and how they are acquired. While you are at it also look at what the process to make that battery does to the environment. If that is not enough, then look at what the real kicker is on these batteries, their disposal issues. Heck look ath the issues with disposing of any battery and the hazardous material they leave behind. Did I mention that they still need to be constantly charged? Where is that charge coming from? Mostly coal, nuclear power, and natural gas. (3,483,609 units ot of the total 3,953,111 units produced in 2009)

 

Fourth, Ford has already shown that good engineering can create as good an environment for fuel economy as hybrid technology. Just check out the 2011 V6 Mustang's 1000 Lap Challenge. (Hint, the car ended up averaging over 48mpg on a single tank from a car that they are selling as a 31mpg car.)

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Ok, here is just one opinion from a person who has lived around this for his entire life.

 

First, Getting rid of oil will never happen. we depend on it for so many things in everyday life besides driving cars that it will never go away. I dare you to imagine a world wthout any form of plastic. Think of it. no TVs, cell phones, modern childrens toys, 20oz soda bottles, stereo speakers, etc.

 

Second, not all oil comapnies are as piss poor as BP when it comes to safety and/ or cutting corners. Here in Texas, BP has almost always been at the front of any local problem with a refinery or plant. Hell, they had a problem just this week in Texas City again. Most of the other companies do a pretty good job about overall safety compliance.

 

Third, no fuel system is perfect from an environmental or social standpoint. if you don't believe me just search out where the products to make the Lithium-Ion battery come from and how they are acquired. While you are at it also look at what the process to make that battery does to the environment. If that is not enough, then look at what the real kicker is on these batteries, their disposal issues. Heck look ath the issues with disposing of any battery and the hazardous material they leave behind. Did I mention that they still need to be constantly charged? Where is that charge coming from? Mostly coal, nuclear power, and natural gas. (3,483,609 units ot of the total 3,953,111 units produced in 2009)

 

Fourth, Ford has already shown that good engineering can create as good an environment for fuel economy as hybrid technology. Just check out the 2011 V6 Mustang's 1000 Lap Challenge. (Hint, the car ended up averaging over 48mpg on a single tank from a car that they are selling as a 31mpg car.)

 

Awesome post, great points!!

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Does anyone honestly believe that if we...all of us...everyone one of us, sold our high performance cars and replaced them fuel efficent cars that off shore oil drilling would end throughout the world? There is no chance of that happening. Energy equals BIG money, that's the way it's been, that's the way it will always be, and if there's money to be made in any business, then companies will do everything they can to continue making that money regardless of an occasional "set back" like the failure of the Deep Water Horizon.

 

What's happening in the Gulf is a eco-tragedy of epic proportions that will effect the Gulf coast for the rest of our lives and probably the lives of the next generation. But even with the massive eco loss and desruction, no one in Louisiana and the other Gulf states that benefit financally from the off-shore drilling has condemned BP or the oil industry in general to the point of telling them to pull up stakes and leave, because 1,000's of people in those states make their living working for oil companies, and the states themselves earn huge tax revenues from those employees and the oil companies directly.

 

The failure of the rig in the first place was not necessary. Based on what I have seen and read, BP and Transocean were butting heads on that rig before it failed, because TO was arguing with BP that they were cutting corners that would/could cause a catastrophic failure of the rig which, in the end, is what happened. The cost and safety cutting was so bad and so concerning to TO rig management, that when one of the TO rig managers was home on his last shore leave, he generated a last will and testimate, spent an inordinate and unusual amount of time teaching his wife how to operate their motor home, and also went over the many other household maintenance chores that he would normally do himself. When she asked him why he was doing all that, he aparanty told her that he did not think that he would be coming home when his shore leave ended, and he was one of the 11 that perished in the explosion that happened a couple of weeks later.

 

Sadly, people have short memories, and over time, let's say about 20 years from now, even as bad as this tradegy is, it will only be a sad, faded, memory like the Exxon Valdez is now. I would venture to say that we probably have TS members that are young enough to not have any recollection or knowledge of the Exxon Valdez oil spill, and all we learned from that incident is that captaining a super tanker while your drunk is not a good idea.

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Ok, here is just one opinion from a person who has lived around this for his entire life.

 

First, Getting rid of oil will never happen. we depend on it for so many things in everyday life besides driving cars that it will never go away. I dare you to imagine a world wthout any form of plastic. Think of it. no TVs, cell phones, modern childrens toys, 20oz soda bottles, stereo speakers, etc.

 

Second, not all oil comapnies are as piss poor as BP when it comes to safety and/ or cutting corners. Here in Texas, BP has almost always been at the front of any local problem with a refinery or plant. Hell, they had a problem just this week in Texas City again. Most of the other companies do a pretty good job about overall safety compliance.

 

Third, no fuel system is perfect from an environmental or social standpoint. if you don't believe me just search out where the products to make the Lithium-Ion battery come from and how they are acquired. While you are at it also look at what the process to make that battery does to the environment. If that is not enough, then look at what the real kicker is on these batteries, their disposal issues. Heck look ath the issues with disposing of any battery and the hazardous material they leave behind. Did I mention that they still need to be constantly charged? Where is that charge coming from? Mostly coal, nuclear power, and natural gas. (3,483,609 units ot of the total 3,953,111 units produced in 2009)

 

Fourth, Ford has already shown that good engineering can create as good an environment for fuel economy as hybrid technology. Just check out the 2011 V6 Mustang's 1000 Lap Challenge. (Hint, the car ended up averaging over 48mpg on a single tank from a car that they are selling as a 31mpg car.)

 

 

 

+1, good post

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No energy creation process can create more energy per unit volume than petroleum based fuels (except nuclear). Everyone wants the "self generating hydrogen vehicle". Get a life. Every energy creation process is lossy. Batteries require more energy to create than they contain. E85 costs more energy to create than it contains. Every energy creation process requires packaging it some where or some time else, with a loss. Electric vehicles get their charge, with a loss in power line transmission and generation, from a coal or nuclear plant somewhere else.

 

Hydroelectric probably is close, but there will never be built enough dams to make it a substitute for any of the major sources we have today.

 

Petroleum contains mass amounts of energy. That was created a long time ago, and the loss was somewhere and some time else.

 

Electric vehicles will require the creation of more infrastructure (power lines) to move more electricity. Guess what? The expansion of "the grid" is meeting resistance from the NIMBY crowd. Well, folks, it's gotta go somewhere. Gas stations on the corner, or power lines on the poles. Don't want discharges from coal-fired plants? Your choice is nuclear. Oh, we don't want those either.

 

Please invent the perpetual motion machine and get this over with.

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We're not going to see an end to internal combustion for at least another century. What we are going to see is cars that make the same amount of power while using less gas. GDI turbo motors are the "latest and greatest". They'll be giving us 150 HP/L in the very near future. I can foresee 200 HP/L in the next couple of decades. I do believe it's a very real possibility that we'll see the end of 5.0L+ engines in my lifetime, but not at the expense of HP. I'm betting on 600+ HP sports cars with 3.0L twin-turbo V6's and 200+ HP family cars with 1.5L turbo 4-bangers. Yes, that means you're going to have to get used to a different "muscle car" sound. That's OK with me though since I've been into both turbo imports and domestics for my whole life.

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Anticipating Manufacturers production release of 100% electric cars as the Ford Focus.............

 

Besides all the controversy of the energy used in manufacturing, recharging and disposal, it would be

great to have a car option that will never need fuel from service stations??????

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What really pisses me off is how everyone is trying to get a piece of the 20 Billion Dollar Pot that BP put up for Loss. I just read in our Daily Fish Wraper (The Tallahassee Democrat) about how our Governor wants Millions to help the Residents of the Gulf Coast with "Mental Aingish" (sp). Stripers and Pole Dancers are trying to File a Claim for Loss of Tips saying that business has fallen off because no one is coming because of the Oil Spill.

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Well as long as we can lay out our party lines. I am a registered democrat. However, if it comes to less dependence on fossil fuels, I will buy a damn huge gas tank to store it and have the only car in existance to run on it. Good luck defendin this eh! In other words I am an enviroment guy but NOOOOOO! I could not imagine losing the illustrious, wonderful, condescending toward GM (sorry chevy guys), all powerful SHELBY GT 500 exhaust note! I think I will start stock-piling gas now.

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Shouldn't this thread have been posted to the Team Shelby NON-Automotive Forum? While this event is a tradgedy and does affect a lot of people it is not really directly related to an automotive topic. Besides "talking" or venting about it in an automotive forum isnt going to do much if anything to solve the problem and some of the comments about this topic have already started having "political" comments.This topic is a waste of the good automotive forum space. Hope the moderator moves this topic thread to its appropriate area within the Team Shelby Forums soon.

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"I cannot see myself driving a Prius, or Insight, or especially worse yet, a Tesla Roadster. Can you imagine an all electric car???

 

 

As WP64 on this forum memorialized in a bumper sticker created just for our cars: “Fossil Fuels Are Yummy.”

 

I already drive a Hybrid!!!!! It burns gas and rubber!!!! :superhero:

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Shouldn't this thread have been posted to the Team Shelby NON-Automotive Forum? While this event is a tradgedy and does affect a lot of people it is not really directly related to an automotive topic. Besides "talking" or venting about it in an automotive forum isnt going to do much if anything to solve the problem and some of the comments about this topic have already started having "political" comments.This topic is a waste of the good automotive forum space. Hope the moderator moves this topic thread to its appropriate area within the Team Shelby Forums soon.

 

oy! :baby:

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oy! :baby:

 

 

 

Hi Wicked,

 

Thanks for helping make my point with your reply. We appreciate responses like that from people in locations who arent even remotely affected by this event. Its replies and support like yours that do so much to help this situation and all of us down here in Louisiana and Florida who have been directly impacted by this tragedy. Keep up the good work.

I wasnt trying to start anything with my post or solicit "flames" from my fellow Team Shelby Members. The fact is that the "Gulf Oil Disaster Thread " would probably receive more attention, do more good, and receive more productive and constructive replies and positive input in the NON- Automotive Topic Room.

I dont have the time for a forum war or the inclination to start a bunch of name calling with you (or anyone else) in regard to this terrible tragedy. So as a fellow Team Shelby Member and fellow SGT owner, I will simply say have a nice day and enjoy your SGT.

In the meantime, I parked my recently aquired SGT for a while and postponed many of my planned mods because I am too busy donating funds, volunteering, and scrubbing oil off of sea turtles,brown pelicans, and various other shore birds at shelters in my free time.

 

To all concerned who want to do something more than "talk" about this matter (or do more than send me snarky responses) you can easily donate or volunteer by going to visit either of these 2 great organization's websites to find out how to really help.

 

http://www.audubonaction.org/site/PageServer?pagename=aa_HowtoHelp

or

http://www.fwra.org/

 

Best Regards and Thanks in advance to any and all who contribute thier time or monies to helping rectify this tragedy.

 

Sincerely,

 

MHR

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Thanks for helping make my point with your reply. We appreciate responses like that from people in locations who arent even remotely affected by this event. Its replies and support like yours that do so much to help this situation and all of us down here in Louisiana and Florida who have been directly impacted by this tragedy. Keep up the good work. I wasnt trying to start anything with my post. The Gulf Oil Disaster Thread would probably receive more attention in the NON Automotive Topic Room Anyway.

I dont have time for a forum war so I will simply say have a nice day and enjoy your shelby. In the meantime I parked mine for a while because I am too busy scrubbing oil off of sea turtles and brown pelicans.

 

 

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That's funny. On the car forums, I'm usually labeled the resident Commie/Socialist.

 

 

Should have been here for all the Political Forum Fun...........

 

Your lap tops would have Flown through every Far Right windows in your house................ :hysterical:

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Should have been here for all the Political Forum Fun...........

 

Your lap tops would have Flown through every Far Right windows in your house................ hysterical.gif

 

 

DDT,

 

The PF threads... those were the good old days on TS!happy%20feet.gif

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