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Hey Alex, seems like there are more guys with the same problem you had..

How did it go? What did they find?

Bob

 

Edited in to add Alex's fix to this first post so other can find it easy:

 

Alex's post:

 

Ok...here we go, I got my Shelby back and I am thrilled!!! My Tremec 6060 feels and functions absolutely perfect. I put 100 miles on the car this evening and finally got to lay some rubber with the car now that I have a non-grinding 2nd gear. Before I would have to shift from 1st to 3rd, or to 2nd with a terrible grind. After a little more testing is done all the remaining mods can now be installed on my car!! :happy feet:

 

I am sorry for this being long, but I want to be as thorough as I am allowed to be. I am taking the time to be detailed in this at 2am so that those of you with issues on your 2010 GT500's have a solution as this most likely, in my opinion as of today, will not become a recall or TSB.

 

There are several threads here on TS with people complaining about the 1st to 2nd gear grind. As most of you know, I own a Mustang shop and was not happy to have my own car start grinding at 100 miles. The first 100 miles the car was babied, never taken over 3500 RPM, and it was very hard to get into second. I figured it needed to break in and continued to baby the car, hoping the trans would shift better with some miles...not the case...it got worse and started grinding. I called a friend at Tremec and then took the car to Ford. I was told to continue to drive it, which I did. It was embarrassing to drive to 2 shows and have to either let the car grind going into second, or let it bog shifting from 1st to 3rd...sure made it look to bystanders that I didn't know how to drive!!

 

Car went back to my dealer, and a new transmission arrived, installed, and GRINDED too. It was disassembled, my original was disassembled, and a customer's transmission (with his permission) with the same issue was disassembled...this is what took so long. Lots of phone calls, techs, flights, frustration and parts were used with many "unofficially" getting involved. I am not at liberty to put in writing any names, even to give many thanks to, or to assign blame, even if my opinion, of failed parts. Most parts in outsourced transmissions are manufactured by various suppliers through out the world. Many changes can and will be made in a model year on an outsourced assembly, in this case the transmission.

 

In this case the failed parts ONLY apply to the 2010 transmission...not 07-09...again...ONLY 2010!!! The TSB's pertaining to the clutch and transmission in the 07-09 GT500's have nothing to do with this. The grind also has nothing to do with the 2010 organic clutch. This is a 2010 GT500 ONLY issue and only on some transmissions. If your 2010 GT500 has not experienced tough or grinding into 2nd gear with in the first 1000 miles, it won't most likely. Only a small group have the issue. Unfortunately, contrary to what was thought before it is not dependent on build date as the defective parts were used through-out the 2010 model year. Parts are sent to Tremec with one part #, then given another part # by Tremec, then given another by Ford. Parts when delivered to each manufacturer are put on shelves and used as needed. The 3 trans's that we used for these observations were a March, 2009 build date, an August, 2009 build date, and a December, 2009 build date (my original one), so it is sporadic all across the board of build dates. I took many pictures, and learned alot about these transmissions, but have been asked not to post pictures, which I planned on, but respect the decision of being told not to. I am not a transmission expert, but could clearly see the defective parts with my own eyes.

 

Parts replaced on my transmission, my customer's, and the spare...these are Ford part #'s:

 

1) AR3Z-7102-A Gear Mainshaft 2nd speed

 

1) 7R3Z-7177-A Washer

 

2) 7R3Z-7107-A 1st synchro blocker ring

 

1) 7R3Z-7124-A Synchro assy

 

1) 4R3Z-7K584-AB Clip

 

1) 7R3Z-7A082-A Trans control selector

 

1) AR3Z-7025-A Bearing

 

1) 7R3Z-7R482-A Output shaft washer

 

1) 7R3Z-7050-A Retainer spring

 

3) F6ZZ-7160-A Snap rings

 

1) 8R3Z-7117-C Bearing spacer

 

7) XT-5-QM Trans fluid ( for all 3 tranny's on this invoice)

 

2) PM-1-C Brake fluid ( for CSC bleeding)

 

Now those of you that are familiar with Ford part #'s are saying" those part #'s are for 04, 07, and 10!!" I know this!! My suggestion, and only my suggestion and opinion, is to wait if you have an 2010 trans issue for a couple weeks to a month before taking your car to have this warrantied as the parts are updated. Also be sure that your dealer ORDERS the parts and does not use any parts they have in stock if they have any of these parts in stock.

 

I think we really now have our answer key to the 1st to 2nd grind. Another customer with a 2010 that never had a grind brought his car in too for a "removal and inspection". His car has 13K VERY hard miles and 680 RWHP. My shop built the car. His trans looked perfect inside...no wear marks, hot spots, etc. Clutch even looked great still even with over 50 quarter mile passes and road racing. His build date is March 2009. Agin showing that it is not a build date issue.

 

I really hope this helps and allows others having the issue to get it fixed and learn to enjoy your cars again!!!

 

Alex

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Hey Alex, seems like there are more guys with the same problem you had..

How did it go? What did they find?

Bob

 

 

Hi Bob,

 

Still have not got the car back from the dealer. Supposedly as of 1.2 hour ago, they are saying I will have it back on Tuesday. Going on 3 weeks....

 

I will give a full report when I get the car back.

 

Alex

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Hi Bob,

 

Still have not got the car back from the dealer. Supposedly as of 1.2 hour ago, they are saying I will have it back on Tuesday. Going on 3 weeks....

 

I will give a full report when I get the car back.

 

Alex

 

 

You sure they're not building you a new motor......WTFrig? :headscratch:

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Hi Bob,

 

Still have not got the car back from the dealer. Supposedly as of 1.2 hour ago, they are saying I will have it back on Tuesday. Going on 3 weeks....

 

I will give a full report when I get the car back.

 

Alex

 

 

My new tranny and clutch was a 6 hour job.

 

what's up ?

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It is not the clutch on my car, infact, I have 2 customer's 07-09's at the same dealer getting the 2010 clutches. My car is waiting for parts. They first ordered a tranny, got it, installed, it and it ALSO grinded. Now they are rebuilding the original and have a tech from Tremec coming out next week. LONG story....

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It is not the clutch on my car, infact, I have 2 customer's 07-09's at the same dealer getting the 2010 clutches. My car is waiting for parts. They first ordered a tranny, got it, installed, it and it ALSO grinded. Now they are rebuilding the original and have a tech from Tremec coming out next week. LONG story....

 

 

I'm sure the wait will be worth it.

 

Hang in there Alex.

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It is not the clutch on my car, infact, I have 2 customer's 07-09's at the same dealer getting the 2010 clutches. My car is waiting for parts. They first ordered a tranny, got it, installed, it and it ALSO grinded. Now they are rebuilding the original and have a tech from Tremec coming out next week. LONG story....

 

 

Hey Alex, maybe Tremec will authorize a recall for all of these folks having the same problem.

Thanks for the update..

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Hey Alex, maybe Tremec will authorize a recall for all of these folks having the same problem.

Thanks for the update..

 

 

That is what I am pushing for and why I got Tremec involved. I know what the problem is, but am not at liberty to post it here, sorry, due to my involvement with Tremec. I am doing my best to make sure this is made into a TSB for the trannies affected so we can all enjoy our cars properly. I have been able to get 14 2010 clutches installed under warranty for friends and customers so far too...so far, so good there on the 07-09's that aren't highly modified. My recommendation is still the Spec Twin SS for cars making over 650 RWHP. I will be doing testing on my own car to see how long the 10 clutch lasts with the 3.6LC KB. Again, those interested, please stay posted and I will post my results...

 

Alex

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That is what I am pushing for and why I got Tremec involved. I know what the problem is, but am not at liberty to post it here, sorry, due to my involvement with Tremec. I am doing my best to make sure this is made into a TSB for the trannies affected so we can all enjoy our cars properly. I have been able to get 14 2010 clutches installed under warranty for friends and customers so far too...so far, so good there on the 07-09's that aren't highly modified. My recommendation is still the Spec Twin SS for cars making over 650 RWHP. I will be doing testing on my own car to see how long the 10 clutch lasts with the 3.6LC KB. Again, those interested, please stay posted and I will post my results...

 

Alex

 

And all of us thank you for your involvement with TREMEC, it is very much appreciated!

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Hi All,

 

As promised, here are the results....

 

http://www.teamshelb...-project-%23-8/

 

Alex

 

 

alex,

 

Your tranny repair was never made into a TSB and there is nothing available to Ford tech's via the ford OASIS system to help them trouble shoot or fix a grinding 2010 or 2011. The link you have to the "results" does not tell us anything about the tranny repair. Did you remove it ?

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Rob Here is the link....it is on page 7 of my 2010 buidl thread, post 123.... list of all the parts. 8500 miles and no issues....

 

http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php?/topic/56098-vapor08gt500s-new-shelby-project-%23-8/page__st__120

 

I still do not know WHY this was never made into a TSB As many people that have had these same issues....

 

Alex

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Rob Here is the link....it is on page 7 of my 2010 buidl thread, post 123.... list of all the parts. 8500 miles and no issues....

 

http://www.teamshelb...8/page__st__120

 

I still do not know WHY this was never made into a TSB As many people that have had these same issues....

 

Alex

 

 

Thanks for helping find it. It was buried in your thread. I will add your post to the first post in this thread and make it a sticky:

Alex's post:Posted 24 June 2010 - 01:33 AM

 

Ok...here we go, I got my Shelby back and I am thrilled!!! My Tremec 6060 feels and functions absolutely perfect. I put 100 miles on the car this evening and finally got to lay some rubber with the car now that I have a non-grinding 2nd gear. Before I would have to shift from 1st to 3rd, or to 2nd with a terrible grind. After a little more testing is done all the remaining mods can now be installed on my car!! :happy feet:

 

I am sorry for this being long, but I want to be as thorough as I am allowed to be. I am taking the time to be detailed in this at 2am so that those of you with issues on your 2010 GT500's have a solution as this most likely, in my opinion as of today, will not become a recall or TSB.

 

There are several threads here on TS with people complaining about the 1st to 2nd gear grind. As most of you know, I own a Mustang shop and was not happy to have my own car start grinding at 100 miles. The first 100 miles the car was babied, never taken over 3500 RPM, and it was very hard to get into second. I figured it needed to break in and continued to baby the car, hoping the trans would shift better with some miles...not the case...it got worse and started grinding. I called a friend at Tremec and then took the car to Ford. I was told to continue to drive it, which I did. It was embarrassing to drive to 2 shows and have to either let the car grind going into second, or let it bog shifting from 1st to 3rd...sure made it look to bystanders that I didn't know how to drive!!

 

Car went back to my dealer, and a new transmission arrived, installed, and GRINDED too. It was disassembled, my original was disassembled, and a customer's transmission (with his permission) with the same issue was disassembled...this is what took so long. Lots of phone calls, techs, flights, frustration and parts were used with many "unofficially" getting involved. I am not at liberty to put in writing any names, even to give many thanks to, or to assign blame, even if my opinion, of failed parts. Most parts in outsourced transmissions are manufactured by various suppliers through out the world. Many changes can and will be made in a model year on an outsourced assembly, in this case the transmission.

 

In this case the failed parts ONLY apply to the 2010 transmission...not 07-09...again...ONLY 2010!!! The TSB's pertaining to the clutch and transmission in the 07-09 GT500's have nothing to do with this. The grind also has nothing to do with the 2010 organic clutch. This is a 2010 GT500 ONLY issue and only on some transmissions. If your 2010 GT500 has not experienced tough or grinding into 2nd gear with in the first 1000 miles, it won't most likely. Only a small group have the issue. Unfortunately, contrary to what was thought before it is not dependent on build date as the defective parts were used through-out the 2010 model year. Parts are sent to Tremec with one part #, then given another part # by Tremec, then given another by Ford. Parts when delivered to each manufacturer are put on shelves and used as needed. The 3 trans's that we used for these observations were a March, 2009 build date, an August, 2009 build date, and a December, 2009 build date (my original one), so it is sporadic all across the board of build dates. I took many pictures, and learned alot about these transmissions, but have been asked not to post pictures, which I planned on, but respect the decision of being told not to. I am not a transmission expert, but could clearly see the defective parts with my own eyes.

 

Parts replaced on my transmission, my customer's, and the spare...these are Ford part #'s:

 

1) AR3Z-7102-A Gear Mainshaft 2nd speed

 

1) 7R3Z-7177-A Washer

 

2) 7R3Z-7107-A 1st synchro blocker ring

 

1) 7R3Z-7124-A Synchro assy

 

1) 4R3Z-7K584-AB Clip

 

1) 7R3Z-7A082-A Trans control selector

 

1) AR3Z-7025-A Bearing

 

1) 7R3Z-7R482-A Output shaft washer

 

1) 7R3Z-7050-A Retainer spring

 

3) F6ZZ-7160-A Snap rings

 

1) 8R3Z-7117-C Bearing spacer

 

7) XT-5-QM Trans fluid ( for all 3 tranny's on this invoice)

 

2) PM-1-C Brake fluid ( for CSC bleeding)

 

Now those of you that are familiar with Ford part #'s are saying" those part #'s are for 04, 07, and 10!!" I know this!! My suggestion, and only my suggestion and opinion, is to wait if you have an 2010 trans issue for a couple weeks to a month before taking your car to have this warrantied as the parts are updated. Also be sure that your dealer ORDERS the parts and does not use any parts they have in stock if they have any of these parts in stock.

 

I think we really now have our answer key to the 1st to 2nd grind. Another customer with a 2010 that never had a grind brought his car in too for a "removal and inspection". His car has 13K VERY hard miles and 680 RWHP. My shop built the car. His trans looked perfect inside...no wear marks, hot spots, etc. Clutch even looked great still even with over 50 quarter mile passes and road racing. His build date is March 2009. Agin showing that it is not a build date issue.

 

I really hope this helps and allows others having the issue to get it fixed and learn to enjoy your cars again!!!

 

Alex

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