2010 GT500 - First oil change - 7+ quarts?

[CSY]

Just went to the local Ford dealer, Litchfield CT, to get my first oil change. I brought 7 qts of oil and filter for them to use. When finished, they the needed add little more oil, 7 qts were not enough. I told them the manual states 6.5qts and they said due to the supercharger it needed a little more.

 

Does that sound correct?

 

Thanks in advance-

[tktlwyr]

Just went to the local Ford dealer, Litchfield CT, to get my first oil change. I brought 7 qts of oil and filter for them to use. When finished, they the needed add little more oil, 7 qts were not enough. I told them the manual states 6.5qts and they said due to the supercharger it needed a little more.

 

Does the sound correct?

 

Thanks in advance-

 

 

That is NOT correct! The supercharger oil is sealed in the supercharger and has nothing to do with the engine oil.

[Red Snake]

Run away from this dealer service deptment! Who told you this at the service dept? Car holds 6.5 qts of 5w-50, no more. Superchanger is not involved in the oil change.

[skeet]

I had a similar problem on my first oil change. I called the Ford Dealer and ordered 7 quarts of the specified oil, filter and made an appointment for the change. After the oil change I asked for the half quart that was left over. The shop manager went back to get it, when he came back he said that the tech said “it took all 7 quarts” I didn’t say anything, just drove home. I checked the oil several times that day and the next day, the level was good.

I will be doing my own oil changes from now on

[CSY]

I thought so too. I'm doing the oil changes from now on.

 

The kid that did the oil change told me this.

 

I would like to get a few confirmations on this and then I'm going back there and start a S#$%$ Storm.

 

Thanks guys

[Son of GT]

As stated by others already, that is completely wrong. The problem is that the tech's drain the oil, pull and replace the filter, refill the oil, run the engine for a few moments, shut it down, and then IMMEADATELY check the oil level on the stick which will ALWAYS show low at that point because the oil has not had time to drain back into the pan yet.

 

The engine actually takes 7.0 quarts, BUT .5 a quart does not drain out of the block because of being trapped in the oil galleys, etc. The ONLY time you would EVER put in 7.0 quarts was if you rebuilt your engine and had ZERO oil in the pan after putting it back together.

 

6.5 quarts is the correct amount, and the best/proper way to check your oil level accurately is when the engine is ice cold (first thing in the morning before start up). That way all of the oil that can drain back into the pan has done so while the car was sitting over night.

 

Like others have suggested, I would run away from that dealer.

[ChrisSD]

How do dealers like this even exist....

[CSY]

I appreciate all the replies. I just check my cold oil and it show about 1/8" above the full mark, but the pressure gage read the same pressure as before the change. What do you think?

 

I'm done with those guys.

[Son of GT]

I appreciate all the replies. I just check my cold oil and it show about 1/8" above the full mark. What do you think?

 

I'm done with those guys.

 

 

Perfecto!.... Wait! Did you say ABOVE? No, No. It should be within the hash marks!!

[CSY]

Perfecto!.... Wait! Did you say ABOVE? No, No. It should be within the hash marks!!

 

 

Yes, it's a little above the full hash mark, but the pressure gage seem to read the same, not higher.

 

I really hate taking my cars to the dealers, seems that's when the problems start.

[AlloyDropTop]

How do dealers like this even exist....

 

 

All about the money. As long as they can get away with this level of service, and this business model seems to work well for alot of car owners (not me), they will keep doing it. The customers that care at a higher level have all left the brand already anyway. What is left in their core business is a fairly uninterested customer. Us GT500 owners are a different breed, and they know it. We are not their main customer base. At the service department level, we are often seen as a pain in the rear. The average car owner drops their cars off, listens to whatever BS they feed them, pays the bill, and goes away. We are the difficult ones, because we know too much.

[ChrisSD]

Yes, it's a little above the full hash mark, but the pressure gage seem to read the same, not higher.

 

I really hate taking my cars to the dealers, seems that's when the problems start.

 

 

The oil pressure gauge, like the water temp gauges, is an idiot gauge. Plug a dashhawk into your OBDII port sometime and watch the water temp. From 185 to 225F the dash gauge reads the same.

[jsdeweyusmc]

I have done 3 changes so far on mine . The first time the dealer did it for free and can't tell you how much then. The two other times that it was changed it took approx. 6 3/4 qts

[08 Mustang]

I just changed my oil this morning and it took 6.5 qts.

[me32]

I have done 3 changes so far on mine . The first time the dealer did it for free and can't tell you how much then. The two other times that it was changed it took approx. 6 3/4 qts

 

 

mine also takes 6 3/4, other wise it shows low on my dipstick an i only do my own oil changes

[9599svt]

mine also takes 6 3/4, other wise it shows low on my dipstick an i only do my own oil changes

 

 

You should only put in the recommended amount of oil (6.5QTs) There can be differances in where it reads on the dip stick in one car compared to another because of the slight differances in how far down the dip stick tube is in the oil pan but there never a reason why one vehicle should take more oil than another identicle one . The oil pans are made to pretty exacting standards. What I always do with every new vehicle is after I change the oil for the first time start it up, take it for a ride, and then the next morning check the oil and I scribe a mark exactly were it is. Then I know what is actually full and if it is low when I check it.

[me32]

You should only put in the recommended amount of oil (6.5QTs) There can be differances in where it reads on the dip stick in one car compared to another because of the slight differances in how far down the dip stick tube is in the oil pan but there never a reason why one vehicle should take more oil than another identicle one . The oil pans are made to pretty exacting standards. What I always do with every new vehicle is after I change the oil for the first time start it up, take it for a ride, and then the next morning check the oil and I scribe a mark exactly were it is. Then I know what is actually full and if it is low when I check it.

 

i cant agree with that statement completly as the dipstick should not be different on any of the same cars, if that saying where true then the same logic would go with the not all the engines are the same which then would mean some could take more or less oil than another. i feel the dipstick has the proper reading that having to little oild will do alot more harm than an little extra oil will.

[DDT]

Interesting to note that the owners guide to checking the oil level

warns that a level above the upper hole on the dipstick "MAY" cause

harm to your engine..........

 

7qts oil in mine brings the oil level to the bottom of the upper hole

on the dipstick according to the owners guide is okay??????

[shel-b001]

I do my own oil changes & I use 6.5 qts . If like you said your level is 1/8" above the mark take it back & stay there while they drain a bit out & then don`t ever go back.

[Slabo]

I do my own oil changes & I use 6.5 qts . If like you said your level is 1/8" above the mark take it back & stay there while they drain a bit out & then don`t ever go back.

 

 

+1 You are definitely overfull. Did you verify they put the correct 5W-50 oil in? There have been many posts here about dealers putting in the wrong oil. With these engines you must use the correct oil and do not overfill them.

[CSY]

I checked the oil again this morning after sitting all night and it seems very good, right at the top of the full hash marks, maybe slightly over.

 

The only thing I can think of is they wanted to charge me for an extra quart of oil for $10.59 since I brought the 7qts and filter myself.

 

Now the good part, I just received a customer survey email for the service. I'm going to tell them there's no way the car could have taken 7+ qts and the services tech. told me it's because of the superchargers. Let's see what they have to say about that.

[Red Snake]

I checked the oil again this morning after sitting all night and it seems very good, right at the top of the full hash marks, maybe slightly over.

 

The only thing I can think of is they wanted to charge me for an extra quart of oil for $10.59 since I brought the 7qts and filter myself.

 

Now the good part, I just received a customer survey email for the service. I'm going to tell them there's no way the car could have taken 7+ qts and the services tech. told me it's because of the superchargers. Let's see what they have to say about that.

 

 

CSY, the oil dip stick is just a gauge of oil level. If you do it yourself, put the 6.5 in and mark the dipstick (scribe it) where the actual full level is after you've run it and has settled.

 

To much oil can damage things just like too little. Half a quart over probably not, but I won't run mine like that. Make sure if the dealer does it that it's the right oil, 5w-50.

 

Unfortunately most of people in the lube area's are not the Master techs. Ford needs to fix this, but as said, to many people don't care for there cars like we do.

[9599svt]

i cant agree with that statement completly as the dipstick should not be different on any of the same cars, if that saying where true then the same logic would go with the not all the engines are the same which then would mean some could take more or less oil than another. i feel the dipstick has the proper reading that having to little oild will do alot more harm than an little extra oil will.

 

 

Too much oil can cause alot of problems to an engine. You can not compress a liquid and if you have to much oil the crank will slap into the oil which causing extra stress, and will cause your oil to foam up which could also lead to possibly starving the engine of oil. It is like taking your hand and slapping the water in the pool. I understand that this probably wont happen in any of the previous situations were the engine is not severly over filled, but an engine that is slightly low on oil also wont be affected. So each to there own.

[CSY]

I spoke to guy that handles there customer surveys. He told me they had a Knona blue in a couple of weeks ago for its first oil change at 1500 miles. I know this car because it sold in Oct09 and it's the one that got me all fired up about the 2010 GT500. He said it needed 8+ qts, and remembers it specifically because the services tech asked him what to do when it required more oil after putting 7 qts in.

 

He said he changes his oil in his F250 and it varies a quart each time due to oil getting trapped in wells within the block. He also said he has no idea why the tech would say the supercharger needed the extra oil because they know it's a self contained unit.

 

Oh well...I'll be doing my own oil changes for now on.

[Torched10]

too much oil can cause engine damage--if it is over the fill hash marks,id bring it back and tell them to bring it ib between the marks--id guess 1/8 over would be half qt

[6-Speed]

I spoke to guy that handles there customer surveys. He told me they had a Knona blue in a couple of weeks ago for its first oil change at 1500 miles. I know this car because it sold in Oct09 and it's the one that got me all fired up about the 2010 GT500. He said it needed 8+ qts, and remembers it specifically because the services tech asked him what to do when it required more oil after putting 7 qts in.

 

I believe some oil techs just aim for upper mark on the dip-stick and check the oil level not long after starting up the engine and shutting it down. In which case there is still oil in the upper parts of the engine so they add more oil and end up over-filling the pan some. I have had my Accord's engine over-filled a couple of times by the dealer ... never again.

[me32]

I spoke to guy that handles there customer surveys. He told me they had a Knona blue in a couple of weeks ago for its first oil change at 1500 miles. I know this car because it sold in Oct09 and it's the one that got me all fired up about the 2010 GT500. He said it needed 8+ qts, and remembers it specifically because the services tech asked him what to do when it required more oil after putting 7 qts in.

 

He said he changes his oil in his F250 and it varies a quart each time due to oil getting trapped in wells within the block. He also said he has no idea why the tech would say the supercharger needed the extra oil because they know it's a self contained unit.

 

Oh well...I'll be doing my own oil changes for now on.

 

 

good thinking to do it your own

[LuckySnake]

good thinking to do it your own

 

I would let a dealer change my oil, if you are specific about grade and quantity it helps to eliminate doubt. Not everyone has the time or place to change oil. As other say, nobody cares more about your car than you.

[dbrisson]

I think many are forgetting that if the capacity of the pan is 6.5 exactly, noone is adding for a dry filter, which is a little less than .5 quarts. Plus against the descriptions of the crank hitting the oil, even if 6.5 qts was dead height flush with the pan or crank counter weights as soon at the car fires about 2 qts is in circulation from the pickup, pump, valley and galleries so it would be very unlikey you would be getting crank slap at 7 quarts.

[DDT]

Compared to the total volume, all this concern about 1/2 Qt over or under

is like "P SSING AGAINST THE WIND" ???????????????????