Guest admin.stangs Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 (DEARBORN, MI) StangsUnleashed.com - In December 2005, StangsUnleashed published a story citing sources from Ford's Romeo engine plant that Ford was testing 4.6L DOHC engines in Shelby GT500 prototypes |story|. By mid-summer 2006, we reported that the 4.6L DOHC engines were actually being developed for an upcoming Bullitt or Mach1 Mustang |story|. What we have not provided up until now, however, are some preliminary engine specifications. According to a reliable source, here are the preliminary 2008 Mustang Bullitt's engine specifications - remember that these are subject to change: 2008.5 Bullitt Mustang Preliminary Data: • 4.6L DOHC, 400 horsepower naturally aspirated engine. • Aluminum block with wet sump oiling system. • Steel crankshaft. • Ford GT type cylinder heads. • Ford GT valve covers with special oil fill adapter on the right valve cover. • Special exhaust manifolds. • Special intake manifold with the plenum and throttle body located on the back of the intake, much like the original Bullitt. Spy photo of a 4.6L Bullitt DOHC engine. Components bear 2008 casting numbers. According to reliable sources here in Dearborn, there's more to the 2008 Bullitt Mustang's recipe than just a 400 horsepower engine though. Ford is said to be putting resources into the Bullitt for the specific purpose of creating a road-racing Mustang, which will be positioned between the Mustang GT and the Shelby GT500. When the Bullitt debuts, it is likely to feature numerous performance enhancements. For starters, the next-generation Bullitt will feature a standard brake upgrade package that is being developed with road racing in mind. Moreover, the Bullitt will also come with a handling package, which is being developed by Ford Racing. Ford Bold Moves Flag: Get one today! While the 2008 Bullitt Mustang is fulfilling Ford's promise to deliver at least one new Mustang nameplate each year |story|, this isn't really news to Mustang enthusiasts. That's because over the past several years, Team Mustang has had an historical affinity for developing special Mustangs any way. Consider that it was only several years ago that Ford produced both a Bullitt and a Mach1. More recently though, Ford and Shelby have been curbing the appetites of the Mustang faithful with the 2006 Shelby GT-H, 2007 Mustang California Special, 2007 Shelby GT500 and the upcoming Shelby GT. And Ford and Shelby are only just beginning. More to the 2008.5 Bullitt? Picture this: A Mustang with a 4.6L DOHC engine along with a road racing suspension, a six speed manual transmission and awesome brakes. Yes, we're still talking about the 2008.5 Bullitt, but think of what would happen if Shelby were to get a hold of it? It's already been speculated that Ford will ship semi-finished Mustangs (Bullitts to be precise) to Las Vegas, where Shelby will message them over and transform them into full-fledged road racing GT350s. Should this happen, it would be the first time since the 1969-1970 model year that both a Shelby GT350 and a GT500 were offered together: a small block GT350 (4.6L DOHC) and a big block GT500 (5.4L DOHC). Of course, it's entirely possible that the Bullitt program could also spawn the revival of the Boss Mustang as well. The time, date and place for the Bullitt Mustang's introduction have been set. And while we can't provide that information just yet, be rest assured that its mere existence will not be comforting to Scott Settlemeyer, the Camaro's brand manager (who is doing a fine job!) and the Dodge Challenger team. But then again, when has that not been true. Hail to the Bullitt! And how! © 2007 StangsUnleashed - Dearborn, MI. Links to follow: Shelby Autos. International Mustang Bullitt Owners Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Any Photos of that ride yet ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Any Photos of that ride yet ?? I'd guess that you could be driving right next to one in Dearborn and never know it. Unless they pulled over for you and opened the hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Robert, Speaking of spy photos, are you going to snap photos of my GO tomorrow and post them on the site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I'd guess that you could be driving right next to one in Dearborn and never know it. Unless they pulled over for you and opened the hood. Very interesting... would make a credible Boss 281. Reinforces to me that the 380HP 5.4 iron Boss rumors are myth whereas this rings true: 400HP 4.6 alloy NA, FRP handling pieces... Yee haaa! Will be interesting to know if the botom end will be forged and what rods are up for consideration. I'm betting on NYIAS for intro... (unless there's a San Fran IAS? <lol>) Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Shelby Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 All the previous info stated that the Bullitt was merely going to be a DHG GT with some FRPP performance and handling additions. Has this changed? If so, how do you know? Also, Robert (and this is important) >> does "road racing" mean that the Bullitt is going to be stripped of luxury amenities? I sincerely hope not. I'm excited at the prospect of a 400 HP Bullitt (something myself and many of us at The Mustang Source have been clamoring for for months), but I hope this isn't going to be a "stripper" car. I thought the BOSS was to be the stripper car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt 2597 Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 More to the 2008.5 Bullitt?Picture this: A Mustang with a 4.6L DOHC engine along with a road racing suspension, a six speed manual transmission and awesome brakes. Yes, we're still talking about the 2008.5 Bullitt, but think of what would happen if Shelby were to get a hold of it? It's already been speculated that Ford will ship semi-finished Mustangs (Bullitts to be precise) to Las Vegas, where Shelby will message them over and transform them into full-fledged road racing If this part is correct can you say ADM???? How much are the Shelby GT's getting? 5-10K over MSRP. So much for owning one of these either.... Can't Ford put together a SE car without Shelby's name on it? Dealers are then holding Mustang owners hostage by charging outragious ADMs to get a nice car. I for one hope Shelby's hands do not get on this car. What is the new name the Shelby Bullitt???? Tell us it isn't so Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAiN Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I think you guys mis-read the article... I don't get the idea that this will be a 'stripper' car. It is my understanding that the cars shipped to Shelby will then be converted to the next level, which would be a road racer. Hopefully this is the case, because I'd love to get my hands on one before they slap a 'Shelby' badge on it and mark it up 10k-15k. I'm loving the idea of 400 horses on motor with big brakes and a 6-speed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Here's what sources have been indicating: The Bullitt will incorporate brake and suspension upgrade packages that are being developed by Ford Racing. Those packages are being tailored for road racing purposes. We do not think that the Bullitt will be a stripper car with crank windows or deletions, etc. I cannot say that for certain though. Maybe Brad from TheMustangSource.com can add something to this. The Bullitt will be finished by Ford in Flat Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangFanatic Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Very interesting... would make a credible Boss 281. Reinforces to me that the 380HP 5.4 iron Boss rumors are myth whereas this rings true: 400HP 4.6 alloy NA, FRP handling pieces... Yee haaa! Will be interesting to know if the botom end will be forged and what rods are up for consideration. I'm betting on NYIAS for intro... (unless there's a San Fran IAS? <lol>) Dan Holy 4 valve batman!!! :hyper: This is awesome news!!! Personally, I'd prefer Ford call such a model the Boss, but frankly I don't care what they call it as long as they make it!!! PLEASE!!! I just hope Ford makes enough of these to avoid dealer ADMs and I definitely don't need a Shelby version, I'll make my own upgrades, thank you very much!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I would LOVE to see a GT350. Of course, I would also love to see a Boss too. Hell, I'm not biased - I'd love to see the return of everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy23c Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I would LOVE to see a GT350. Of course, I would also love to see a Boss too. Hell, I'm not biased - I'd love to see the return of everything! Me, too! ....and in a convertible! Sorry, you all know I want a GT350 'vert! I just need a 'vert that can carve corners, that's all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUFDRAFT Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I may just mosey on down to my local Ford dealer this weekend and see if I can secure an MSRP deal.... This one sounds right up my alley. What does 2008.5 mean? Jan of '08? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I may just mosey on down to my local Ford dealer this weekend and see if I can secure an MSRP deal.... This one sounds right up my alley. What does 2008.5 mean? Jan of '08? I think that means 2008 'job-2' time... 1-year from now (Jan '08) ...but I'm not sure of that -- Ford has defined 'half-year' intros differently over the years. -Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Shelby Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Before y'all get too excited, it looks as though the whole story is utter BS. Read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 <sigh> so we'll get a wimpy 330HP Bullitt and nose-heavy 5.4 iron Boss? Count me out of both. HTT, wuz up, man? You know what we all want. Do the Boss right or don't do it -- the Bullitt? Whatever... out expectations were already low on the Bullitt. Looks like we'll have t wait until the H/Boss to get a serious NA motor? And when will we see an alloy H/Boss? HTT, you listening?? Competition is coming! 500HP lightweight Mustang required in 18 months and a 400HP alloy NA needed now! What's your plan, young Jedi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt 2597 Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I for one am going to reserve judgement on whether this was "BS" or not. The engine is supported by previously posted articles so I am in wait and see mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Shelby Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I don't understand why this site puts up stories that are so OBVIOUSLY thin on credibility. Rumor and innuendo are no substitute for facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Robert has good sources, so I'm just wondering what that engine really was . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 I don't understand why this site puts up stories that are so OBVIOUSLY thin on credibility. Rumor and innuendo are no substitute for facts. Which stories are you talking about, specifically? We would like you to list which articles that we published that have turned out NOT to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy23c Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 I don't understand why this site puts up stories that are so OBVIOUSLY thin on credibility. Rumor and innuendo are no substitute for facts. I would definitely wait & see before I called b.s. on this release..unless you have something concrete to the contrary? FYI, none of the posted releases have been wrong to date...just thought you should know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Shelby Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Which stories are you talking about, specifically? We would like you to list which articles that we published that have turned out NOT to be true. Ummmmmm... how 'bout the one that prompted this thread? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUFDRAFT Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Regardless - I'm going to look into a sticker deal - just in case it comes through with brakes/suspension/and 400 ponies. If it doesn't - I bail. I like how this one sounds. I've never had a green Mustang, either. :banana piano: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Shelby Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Regardless - I'm going to look into a sticker deal - just in case it comes through with brakes/suspension/and 400 ponies. If it doesn't - I bail. I like how this one sounds. I've never had a green Mustang, either. :banana piano: No offense, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. When I first read this story, I got all excited. Then the little voice in the back of my head said: "If it looks to good to be true..." You know the rest. Then, voila, we learn this today. Fourcam has a VERY credible track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangFanatic Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 <sigh> so we'll get a wimpy 330HP Bullitt and nose-heavy 5.4 iron Boss? Count me out of both. HTT, wuz up, man? You know what we all want. Do the Boss right or don't do it -- the Bullitt? Whatever... out expectations were already low on the Bullitt. Looks like we'll have t wait until the H/Boss to get a serious NA motor? And when will we see an alloy H/Boss? HTT, you listening?? Competition is coming! 500HP lightweight Mustang required in 18 months and a 400HP alloy NA needed now! What's your plan, young Jedi? +1,000,000. HTT, the time to put up or shut up is upon us, you need to step up in a big way and PROVE you are a worthy successor to Coletti. You have stated you understand the Mustang and what it represents, well, stop living off the accomplishments of one old man and make your own legacy and it starts by offering legitimate high performance Mustangs like a real Boss 302 and 351 as well as a lightweight KR. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 No offense, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. When I first read this story, I got all excited. Then the little voice in the back of my head said: "If it looks to good to be true..." You know the rest. Then, voila, we learn this today. Fourcam has a VERY credible track record. Fourcam has great sources, so does Robert. Fourcam said he never saw a pic of the scrapped 4.6 Boss so it could be different. I saw a pic of a niche motor back then but it it had black covers, I believe, not GT blue. So it's possible this is not the killed 4.6 Boss. What hit me was 4.6 400HP. The LS2 is 6.2/400 and LS7 7.0/505(?), so 400HP for a NA 4.6 is very 'hot' emissions-wise (if true). The other good point that Fourcam made is that the FordGT heads port volume on the 4.6 would hurt low-end (funny, but the original Boss 302 had that problem -- it really started comeing on near readline! -- not that I'm asking for that level of historical acuracy <lol>), but on a 5.4 with the right intake, 400HP is very doable, imo. So, I'm not so sure that motor is the killed 4.6 Boss. And if it is a 4.6, 400HP is stout at emissions levels that will permit substantial volumes. Maybe it's the limited production (1000 units) Boss MT carried a couple months back. I don't have an answer, but I'm not ready to say that motor is definately the killed 4.6 Boss either -- dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangFanatic Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 And now we have this tidbit of information from another knowledgable poster on The Mustang Source. Seems the merry-go round continues... http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showpost.php...mp;postcount=49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Our track record of being on the money speaks for itself. I challenge anyone to read through our articles and find them in error. I remember when we said that there WOULD be an upcoming Bullitt Mustang and what did people on other web sites say: That there would NEVER, repeat NEVER be another Bullitt Mustang again. And when we said that the Cobra was dead - we got this So for all of the nay-sayers who know ALL OF THE FACTS and have the "SOURCES" and we don't, here's a challenge for you to put up or shut up and answer this: For the record, on what day and place will the Bullitt Mustang appear? If we know, then your sources must know too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFBLUE2 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Well someone is gonna be wrong on this one. The question is who? I remember that thread on TMS about the 4V 4.6 part # that 05stangKC dug up back in Nov 05 and now we have a very similiar engine being mentioned here. Hmmm. Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFBLUE2 Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Hi robert, I stumbled on your story last night when I was looking for any new info on the 2008s and posted a couple of links on this story over at TMS. Any news on comestic differences between the 2007s and 2008s? I'd heard that 08s might have a slight difference in the front sheet metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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