HD Dyno Run with JJ at Woodbine Motorsports

[bpmurr]

I took a video of my car on the dyno this morning. It took me 30 minutes to drive to Woodbine Motorsports where JJ installed a bung in the exhaust. Then we drove another 30 minutes up to Adrenaline Automotive in Frederick, MD to use their Dynojet. This car was hot off the street. The only cool down was the 15 minutes or so to get the car on the dyno and prepped.

 

I first run with the stock Ford tune was 460RWHP/415RWTRQ

The second run with the Evo "Lund" Tune was 473RWHP/449RWTQ

The temp at the time of the run was 80 degrees.

 

The car is back at JJ's shop getting a VMP 2.6 stock look pulley, VMP Stock look coolant tank upgrade, Afco Dual Fan Heat Exchanger, and new plugs. We are then going to take it up to Adrenaline and run it the same way hot off the street. Sure we could have let it cool down. I wanted more realistic results of what to expect when the car is warm. JJ figures we probably could add another 15HP to each if the car was cooler.

 

The video here is of the second run.

 

 

I have the STD and SAE graphs in my car. I'll scan and post them when I get the car back after the upgrades.

 

JJ is making a big push into the Mustang scene as he is one of the top Lightning Tuners. He has a new 5.0 on the way and has tuned many GTs and GT500s.

[Torched10]

thanks for posting--are you surpriesd at the difference with the LUND tune--why would torques go up so much more than HP??

[bpmurr]

thanks for posting--are you surpriesd at the difference with the LUND tune--why would torques go up so much more than HP??

 

 

I was surprised with dramatic torque jump compared to the increase in HP. I'm interested to see what kind of numbers the car puts down with the upgrades at normal operating temp.

 

It also lets people know the numbers that Evo posted about their tunes are bull. I realize that I did the runs at normal operating temp but even cold there is no way.

 

http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php?/topic/45803-evolution-performance-inc-2010-grabber-blue-shelby-gt500/page__view__findpost__p__757056

 

No way their car was putting down 510HP with only a tune on a Mustang Dyno or Dynojet for that matter. They had to be manipulating the roller weight or something.

[Dennis70Mach]

I took a video of my car on the dyno this morning. It took me 30 minutes to drive to Woodbine Motorsports where JJ installed a bung in the exhaust. Then we drove another 30 minutes up to Adrenaline Automotive in Frederick, MD to use their Dynojet. This car was hot off the street. The only cool down was the 15 minutes or so to get the car on the dyno and prepped.

 

I first run with the stock Ford tune was 460RWHP/415RWTRQ

The second run with the Evo "Lund" Tune was 473RWHP/449RWTQ

The temp at the time of the run was 80 degrees.

 

The car is back at JJ's shop getting a VMP 2.6 stock look pulley, VMP Stock look coolant tank upgrade, Afco Dual Fan Heat Exchanger, and new plugs. We are then going to take it up to Adrenaline and run it the same way hot off the street. Sure we could have let it cool down. I wanted more realistic results of what to expect when the car is warm. JJ figures we probably could add another 15HP to each if the car was cooler.

 

The video here is of the second run.

 

 

I have the STD and SAE graphs in my car. I'll scan and post them when I get the car back after the upgrades.

 

JJ is making a big push into the Mustang scene as he is one of the top Lightning Tuners. He has a new 5.0 on the way and has tuned many GTs and GT500s.

 

 

Hey bpmurr, was your car bone stock for that first dyno run? The reason I ask is because we are having a discussion over in the "classifieds" section on the thread, "Shelby GT500 KR for sale", about the HP of the 08-09 KR versus the '10 GT500. Everybody probably knows that the KR was unveiled and sold as a 540 HP car, just like the '10 GT 500. However, since the '10 GT500 came out, I have wondered if the "10 GT500 was comparable on the dyno to the KR. They both have 540 advertised HP and the KR only had the cold air kit (Ford Racing Power Upgrade Pack) installed as an engine performance adder to the stock GT500. However, a couple of guys on that thread have said that they have dynoed stock KR's that put down from 503 to 511 RWHP. Needless to say, this would put flywheel power output way past 540. I am just interested to see a dyno printout comparison of a stock 08-09 KR versus a stock '10 GT500.

 

For example, using your first dyno run of 460 RWHP (stock?) versus what they are saying for the KR, that would put the KR at anywhere from 43 to 54 MORE RWHP than the '10 GT500. Even though they are both advertised as having 540 HP.

[bpmurr]

Hey bpmurr, was your car bone stock for that first dyno run? The reason I ask is because we are having a discussion over in the "classifieds" section on the thread, "Shelby GT500 KR for sale", about the HP of the 08-09 KR versus the '10 GT500. Everybody probably knows that the KR was unveiled and sold as a 540 HP car, just like the '10 GT 500. However, since the '10 GT500 came out, I have wondered if the "10 GT500 was comparable on the dyno to the KR. They both have 540 advertised HP and the KR only had the cold air kit (Ford Racing Power Upgrade Pack) installed as an engine performance adder to the stock GT500. However, a couple of guys on that thread have said that they have dynoed stock KR's that put down from 503 to 511 RWHP. Needless to say, this would put flywheel power output way past 540. I am just interested to see a dyno printout comparison of a stock 08-09 KR versus a stock '10 GT500.

 

 

It has the JLT CAI and Pypes Pype Bomb Axle back muffler deletes. The CAI shouldn't add anything since the stock CAI flows pretty well on the 2010.

 

JJ was telling me about one guys dyno that show 30HP more then anyone else's for the same upgrades. It's really hard to know what the truth is. For instance you can manipulate the numbers on a Mustang dyno by setting the roller to be 300lbs heavier then it really is.

[Dennis70Mach]

It has the JLT CAI and Pypes Pype Bomb Axle back muffler deletes. The CAI shouldn't add anything since the stock CAI flows pretty well on the 2010.

 

 

 

So, the first dyno pull of 460 had this equipment on the car? I edited my post, please let me know, as an owner of a '10 GT500 what you think of the last paragraph of my post.

[bpmurr]

So, the first dyno pull of 460 had this equipment on the car? I edited my post, please let me know, as an owner of a '10 GT500 what you think of the last paragraph of my post.

 

 

I think 30 HP more sounds safe. Keep in mind my car was running at normal operating temps and had not been cooled down for hours just to get peak numbers. A lot of guys throw these cars cold on the dyno to get the best peak numbers.

[Dennis70Mach]

I think 30 HP more sounds safe. Keep in mind my car was running at normal operating temps and had not been cooled down for hours just to get peak numbers. A lot of guys throw these cars cold on the dyno to get the best peak numbers.

 

 

 

So you think the 08-09 KR has 30 more HP than the '10 GT500, even though they're both advertised at 540 HP?

[bpmurr]

So you think the 08-09 KR has 30 more HP than the '10 GT500, even though they're both advertised at 540 HP?

 

 

To be honest I don't think so. The KR might have a slightly more aggressive tune from the factory. You'd really need to dyno both cars on the same dyno to know the real difference.

[Dennis70Mach]

To be honest I don't think so. The KR might have a slightly more aggressive tune from the factory. You'd really need to dyno both cars on the same dyno to know the real difference.

 

 

 

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought too. I think the tune for the KR is the same tune that comes from Ford Racing when you purchase the cold air kit for the stock GT500. It actually mentions the "Ford Racing Power Upgrade Pack" in the official release about the KR. That "pack" consists of the cold air intake and the accompanying tune that can be purchased for the 07-09 GT500.

 

At any rate, I completely agree with you that both cars would need to be recognized as being stock and then ran on the same dyno. I just think it would be interesting to see how they compare, since they are both advertised at 540 HP

[65427cobra]

Guys,

 

I just had a base run done on my 2010 GT500. It was on a dynojet with temperatures in the 60's and yes the car was cooled down before the run was made. It put down 478hp and 440tq...ran a second run within minutes and it put up basically the same numbers. In preparation for more mods I installed a Lethal X with high flow cats and ran it again. I picked up 5 more peak HP and 7 peak TQ but I got as much as 10 HP more from 3500 RPMs through 5500 RPMS, TQ was pretty constant through the RPM band. I will be installing VMP's 2.65 upper and IW 10% lower. I am porting the stock blower with VMP Dport and will be installing L&M throttle body. Topping things off with the AFCO dual fan heat exchanger and Justin's tune. Justin indicated we should be around 620hp and 620tq....we shall see. By the way, I would highly recommend Lethal's X pipe with high flow cats...with stock exhaust it sounds great.....only down side it is not stainless but for $399 I run the risk.

[bpmurr]

Guys,

 

I just had a base run done on my 2010 GT500. It was on a dynojet with temperatures in the 60's and yes the car was cooled down before the run was made. It put down 478hp and 440tq...ran a second run within minutes and it put up basically the same numbers. In preparation for more mods I installed a Lethal X with high flow cats and ran it again. I picked up 5 more peak HP and 7 peak TQ but I got as much as 10 HP more from 3500 RPMs through 5500 RPMS, TQ was pretty constant through the RPM band. I will be installing VMP's 2.65 upper and IW 10% lower. I am porting the stock blower with VMP Dport and will be installing L&M throttle body. Topping things off with the AFCO dual fan heat exchanger and Justin's tune. Justin indicated we should be around 620hp and 620tq....we shall see. By the way, I would highly recommend Lethal's X pipe with high flow cats...with stock exhaust it sounds great.....only down side it is not stainless but for $399 I run the risk.

 

 

Interesting....your car got about the same numbers as mine did with the Evo "Lund" tune but stock and cold.

 

FYI, Justin sent me a bad stock look pulley that wobbles. I just had to order Metco 2.6 overnight from Lethal so JJ can have it by tomorrow.

[ChrisSD]

Hey bpmurr, was your car bone stock for that first dyno run? The reason I ask is because we are having a discussion over in the "classifieds" section on the thread, "Shelby GT500 KR for sale", about the HP of the 08-09 KR versus the '10 GT500. Everybody probably knows that the KR was unveiled and sold as a 540 HP car, just like the '10 GT 500. However, since the '10 GT500 came out, I have wondered if the "10 GT500 was comparable on the dyno to the KR. They both have 540 advertised HP and the KR only had the cold air kit (Ford Racing Power Upgrade Pack) installed as an engine performance adder to the stock GT500. However, a couple of guys on that thread have said that they have dynoed stock KR's that put down from 503 to 511 RWHP. Needless to say, this would put flywheel power output way past 540. I am just interested to see a dyno printout comparison of a stock 08-09 KR versus a stock '10 GT500.

 

For example, using your first dyno run of 460 RWHP (stock?) versus what they are saying for the KR, that would put the KR at anywhere from 43 to 54 MORE RWHP than the '10 GT500. Even though they are both advertised as having 540 HP.

 

 

The *ONLY* way to truly compare dyno #s is to run two cars back to back, same day, same dyno, same cooldown. SAE #'s don't account for differences in dynos, dyno operator's, and a whole slew of other conditions.

[ChrisSD]

To be honest I don't think so. The KR might have a slightly more aggressive tune from the factory. You'd really need to dyno both cars on the same dyno to know the real difference.

 

 

Doubt it, it has no knock sensors. 10's tune is the most aggressive because of these. 07-09 need more headroom. Datalog your car on the dyno, you'll see it commands more total timing than a KR or other or 07-09 with stock tune.

[Tucker]

10-15 is what we saw with only a tune.

We don't even offer it as a option because we didn't think people would pay.

 

Your numbers are right in line with what we have seen.

The pulley and JJ's tune will help.

JJ knows his stuff

 

Jay

[tdusseau]

I am going to try and get mine in next weekend. Interesting to know I could be close to 500rwhp with my Lund tune and the Off-road catless x-pipe!

 

I would expect the off-road pipe be good for 10-15rwhp if a high flow x with cats get you 5rwhp.

 

Oh that would be sooooooo cool.

 

Todd