AlloyDropTop Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 Has anybody tried the new Redline 5W-50 yet? I am about ready for the spring change, and will probably just use the Motorcraft stuff, but just saw the Redline oil on line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingram4868 Posted March 29, 2010 Report Share Posted March 29, 2010 For a Redline product I'm surprised they are not asking more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlloyDropTop Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 For a Redline product I'm surprised they are not asking more. Agree. It is actually cheaper than the Motorcraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inyadreems Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Bump, is anyone using Red Line? I am coming up on an oil change and wanted to know if anyone has tried the Red Line 5W50 yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbackg Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Not sure RedLine meets Ford's protection requirements. http://www.castrol.c...ntentId=6006933 Castrol 5W-50 = Meets WSS-M2C931-B Ford protection requirements for the 5.4L Ford GT & GT500. Checker OReilly = CSK = Checker, Schuck's, Kragen, Murray's = www.cskauto.com Monthly special. effective = 5-26-10 to 6-29-10. Buy five quarts of Castrol full Synthetic 5w-50 Syntec @ $4.60 per quart = 5 quarts max. Normally $7.49/quart. And also get $1.00 off the Wix filter = GT500 = Wix part # 51372 = List $6.49 = $5.49 Wix also makes NapaGold filters. I believe they also make the Ford Racing M-6731-FL820 oil filter. Wix = NASCAR filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inyadreems Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Not sure RedLine meets Ford's protection requirements. http://www.castrol.c...ntentId=6006933 Castrol 5W-50 = Meets WSS-M2C931-B Ford protection requirements for the 5.4L Ford GT & GT500. Checker OReilly = Kragen = www.cskauto.com Monthly special. effective = 5-26-10 to 6-29-10. Buy five quarts of Castrol full Synthetic 5w-50 Syntec @ $4.60 per quart = 5 quarts max. Normally $7.49/quart. And also get $1.00 off the Wix filter = GT500 = Wix part # 51372 = List $6.49 = $5.49 Wix also makes NapaGold filters. I believe they also make the Ford Racing M-6731-FL820 oil filter. Wix = NASCAR filter. Link? Is that local or in store only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbackg Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 OReilly bought out CSK = Checker, Schuck's, Kragen, Murray's. Store locator.http://www.cskauto.c...oreLocator.aspx However, seems they are not in the NY area. 6.5 quarts of Castrol 5w-50 & Wix filter = $35.40 oil change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 OReilly bought out CSK = Checker, Schuck's, Kragen, Murray's. Store locator.http://www.cskauto.c...oreLocator.aspx However, seems they are not in the NY area. 6.5 quarts of Castrol 5w-50 & Wix filter = $35.40 oil change. Are you saying that this meets the exact spec's for the GT500 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbackg Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Are you saying that this meets the exact spec's for the GT500 ? Redline's website does NOT specifically state that it meets Ford spec B requirements. Castrol's website DOES specifically state that it meets WSS-M2C931-B Ford protection requirements for the 5.4L Ford GT & GT500. Yes. Both the GT500 & Ford GT 5.4L have the same oil specs. Motorcraft 5w-50 full synthetic: http://fcsdchemicals...ory=Motor%20Oil Ford Motorcraft oil is made and bottled by Conoco. Ford WSS-M2C931-A spec (API service "SL") oil was the original formulation and comes with a "black" cap on the bottle. The newer WSS-M2C931-B oil (API service "SM") has reduced amounts of "ZDDP" wear resistant additive which has been linked to high mileage converter fouling and comes with a gold colored cap. I would think by now most of the "A" oil in inventory has been consumed as the switch to "B" oil was made quite some time ago. Both are equally acceptable in our engines and the newer "B" API SL oil has been reviewed (and tested) by the engine engineering team for acceptance. Ford/Motorcraft cannot be the sole provider of oil for our cars. It was only a matter of time before Castrol and other oil manufacturers starting making 5w-50 that met Ford's spec B requirements. In Castrol's 5w-50 beginning, it did not have the spec B certification. API Licensing & Certification cost a lot of money. Now, Castrol 5w-50 does. Think with your dipstick Jimmy. ha. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cluscher Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Are you also saying the Wix filter is the same as the FRPP filter with a different label? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbackg Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Apparently Motorcraft oil filters are manufactured by Purolator. I am not sure about the Ford Racing oil filter. I have both the Wix & FRPP filters. I will take pictures and post later today. Here are some links. Great pics by Secondo: http://www.teamshelb..._1entry797720 Educational oil filter comparison links: http://www.fleetfilt...omparisons.html Napa Gold = Wix. They have almost identical part #. http://minimopar.kni.../reference.html Wix has long been the filter of choice for NASCAR and those 50K+ engines produce 850HP NA. That's good enough for me. I just can't find the post, but I know another TS member posted great pics of a SC engine that actually vacuumed dented an oil filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbackg Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Interesting read about oil from carbibles.com http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texaggie Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 Valvoline used to make a 5w-50 with the Roush brand. It was rated for the GT500. Not sure if they are still making it (the 5w-50) now that Roush and Valvoline have parted ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vapor08GT500 Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 Up until 2 months ago, you could still get the Roush 5w-50, made by valvoline from Roush...apparently they have indeed parted ways. After talking to Greg (dabckg) today on the phone, he says the 5W-50 disappeared from their website a month ago... After talking to Greg, I went and bought all 14 quarts of Castrol 5W-50 that my local Kragen had, to keep in stock..... Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inyadreems Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Here is the response from Redline: Thanks for the note on the 5W50. You are fine to use that product. While we do not send these oils to Ford for approval, that Ford spec is pretty easy to exceed and this product does that without issue. Hope that helps, Director of Sales & Marketing Red Line Synthetic Oil Corp. (707) 745-6100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbackg Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Here is the response from Redline: Thanks for the note on the 5W50. You are fine to use that product. While we do not send these oils to Ford for approval, that Ford spec is pretty easy to exceed and this product does that without issue. Hope that helps, Director of Sales & Marketing Red Line Synthetic Oil Corp. (707) 745-6100 I agree, Red Line seems to be a quality motor oil. I have used it previously. However, I think it is mis-leading when a company says "popular" for the Ford 5.4L. Does Red Line 5w-50 specifically state in writing on the bottle that it meets Ford Spec B? http://www.redlineoi...pid=135&pcid=21 Hmmm, if it is pretty easy .... then why doesn't it say it? Reminds me of the movie Tommy Boy. Tommy: Let's think about this for a sec, Ted. Why would somebody put a guarantee on a box? Hmmm, very interesting. Ted Nelson, Customer: Go on, I'm listening. Tommy: Here's the way I see it, Ted. Guy puts a fancy guarantee on a box 'cause he wants you to feel all warm and toasty inside. Ted Nelson, Customer: Yeah, makes a man feel good. Tommy: 'Course it does. Why shouldn't it? Ya figure you put that little box under your pillow at night, the Guarantee Fairy might come by and leave a quarter, am I right, Ted? [chuckles until he sees that Ted is not laughing] Ted Nelson, Customer: [impatiently] What's your point? Tommy: The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy; well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. The next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser, and your daughter's knocked up. I seen it a hundred times. Ted Nelson, Customer: But why do they put a guarantee on the box? Tommy: Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of sh*t. That's all it is, isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, ya might wanna think about buying a quality product from me. Now, when your engine blows, Ford will ask and investigate .... and then say, well Sir, I am very sorry, your engine is NOT covered under the Ford factory warranty. Why? Well ... I am sorry, you were using an oil that does not meet Ford Spec B. Is your engine still covered under the Ford factory warranty? Does Red Line now guarantee your engine? Things to consider. Ask CaptainBob how his warranty claim went with Ford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inyadreems Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 +1 I agree. Just trying to help keep the masses informed on an oil question that has been asked many times. I emailed them to provide documentation that it meets or exceeds Ford Spec B. I will probably go with the Motocraft and the Ford Racing Filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbackg Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 Ok. Follow up on the Wix NASCAR oil filter vs. Ford Racing oil filter. The Wix oil filter weighed 14.3 oz. It also seemed that I could squeeze the sides of the can in one hand and get a very slight flex in the housing. The center hole is slightly larger, however, there are only 6 pass through holes. Cost: $ approx $5.49 plus tax. The Part # Ford Racing oil filter weighed in at .......... 20.1 oz. wow! The FRPP oil filter housing is definitely HEAVY DUTY. NO way one can squeeze the exterior housing. In comparison, the center hole is slightly smaller, however, there are 8 pass through holes. Cost: approx $13.95 - $19.95 plus tax and/or shipping. Seems the Ford Racing filter is manufactured by purolator based upon the looks of the top. However, after talking with Alex, he said one time, he ordered a case of the FRPP oil filters and they came in a Wix shipping box. Summary, the FRPP oil filter cost more but it appears that it is more HD. See pictures below. two. Wix on left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8acobra Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 The fact that an oil doesn't state on it that it meets "Ford Spec B" just means that they didn't want to pay Ford the licensing fee. You have to pay Ford to say your oil meets their specs. Worry about the API rating. It's the same test used for all oils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbackg Posted June 8, 2010 Report Share Posted June 8, 2010 The fact that an oil doesn't state on it that it meets "Ford Spec B" just means that they didn't want to pay Ford the licensing fee. You have to pay Ford to say your oil meets their specs. Worry about the API rating. It's the same test used for all oils. Agreed. However, if Red Line & Motorcraft are basically at the same price point. Why would you buy Red Line? Which leads to the exact same question again. If your engine blows up, Ford will ask and investigate .... and then say, well Sir, I am very sorry, your engine is NOT covered under the Ford factory warranty. Why? Well ... I am sorry, you were using an oil that does not meet Ford Spec B. Yes, it is B.S. excuse / scape goat. Things to consider. Is your engine still covered under the Ford factory warranty? Does Red Line now guarantee your engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSnake18 Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 I am running Redline 5W50, w/ FRPP filter with no problems. Approx. 500 miles on this change. Also running Redline D4 ATF in the tranny. Much smoother shifting, nice getting into gear after cold start up. Redline will be going into the differential in a few weeks with the 3.73 gears. As far as worrying about a warranty over oil? Really? I guess everybody better get rid of their aftermarket tunes, CAI, smaller pulleys, bigger blowers, colder plugs, bigger TB's. etc, etc. Not to mention the fact that you didn't have any of that installed by a certified Ford mechanic. I guess all the aftermarket companies should close their doors also, you are voiding our warranties! Stay off the race track and drag strip too. Oh no, I almost forgot, Ford recommends BP gas, (says so on the gas cap) and I have been burning Shell 93 this whole time! There goes the fuel system warranty! Glad I'm tight with my Ford mechanic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8acobra Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 If your engine blows up, Ford will ask and investigate .... and then say, well Sir, I am very sorry, your engine is NOT covered under the Ford factory warranty. Why? Well ... I am sorry, you were using an oil that does not meet Ford Spec B. Incorrect. Ford has to PROVE, that using Redline Oil caused the failure. Thank the Magnuson-Moss Act: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m81mclaren Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 Not sure RedLine meets Ford's protection requirements. http://www.castrol.c...ntentId=6006933 Castrol 5W-50 = Meets WSS-M2C931-B Ford protection requirements for the 5.4L Ford GT & GT500. Checker OReilly = CSK = Checker, Schuck's, Kragen, Murray's = www.cskauto.com Monthly special. effective = 5-26-10 to 6-29-10. Buy five quarts of Castrol full Synthetic 5w-50 Syntec @ $4.60 per quart = 5 quarts max. Normally $7.49/quart. And also get $1.00 off the Wix filter = GT500 = Wixpart # 51372 = List $6.49 = $5.49 Wix also makes NapaGold filters. I believe they also make the Ford Racing M-6731-FL820 oil filter. Wix = NASCAR filter. Excellent thanks for the info. Here is the product data sheet from Castrol Castrol Syntec Product Data Sheet "Exceeds Ford WSS-M2C931-B" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03 DSG Snake Posted June 9, 2010 Report Share Posted June 9, 2010 No reason not to use the Motorcraft oil. Jegs still has some of the Roush/Valvoline in stock: http://www.jegs.com/i/Roush+Performance/832/630293/10002/-1 I used this for my 2nd oil change but went back to Motorcraft for the most recent one due to availability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldgus Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 I think I have weighed in on EVERY oil post on this forum... So here goes: We ALL change our oil MUCH MORE frequently than any manufacturers recommendation, so the chance that your motor is going to break down 6.5 quarts of full synthetic oil in less than 3000 miles is SLIM. And certainly not enough to harm your motor, unless you are road or drag racing every week. I have used the Castrol Syntec 5w-50 in my GT500 since the first oil change - which consequently was done by my dealer and they used Castrol Syntec 5/50. I do all my own oil changes myself now anyway, so as long as i keep records as to what mileage I cahnge the oil at, what more could they possibly ask? And I do use the Ford Racing filter as it seems to be much beefier than the stock filter. I would also challenge Ford to PROVE that oil brand/spec caused my engine to grenade. Their Motorcraft stuff is always somebody's rebranded oil, and they definitely are not going to tell you if they switch suppliers. Castrol has always been good stuff for me, and you can buy it lots of places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8acobra Posted June 18, 2010 Report Share Posted June 18, 2010 BTW, My Nissan Hardbody is fast approaching 500K on the original, non-rebuilt motor using nothing but the cheapest Castrol GTX dino oil and Fram filters every 3K miles. Yes, it's no GT500, but the point is that the frequency of the maintenance is more important than the brands used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbackg Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 this thread should be a sticky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcthorne Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 I'd like to know where folks in this thread are finding the RedLine 5W50 for the same price as the Motorcraft. Best price I can find is $118 a case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Lucca Posted November 27, 2010 Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 As to warranty coverage on a supercharged Ford motor, I can speak from first hand experience. I had a Ford Re-manufactured motor installed, by an Ind. shop, in my 03 Term. Vert, along with a full clutch package and 26 spline etc. Bought it from Steve at Tousley, and he told me "keep it stock and you get a 3 yrs/100K warranty, parts and labor". Broke it in right, 3 oil changes 5W/20, just like the oil filler cap says. At 1500 miles it started clanking. By now the Ind. shop had closed...economy. Now what??? I called Steve and he told me exactly what to do and when and how to do it, as I had to go to a Dealer now because my shop closed. They called the Ford Rep. in and they DID check the oil, for viscosity, period. They we're looking for 5W/20 and I think they would have allowed 5W/30. I hadn't even switched to Synthetic yet. They approved the repair, I had a broken piston, and Ford paid Full Parts, Labor, 2010 Tune, Fluids, and Tax for Motor # 3. It came with 5W/20 M.C. Semi Syn. from the factory, and I changed it at 600 miles, with the same Oil. At 1200 miles I went to Ret's Dyno Day and it put down 392 Rwhp and 378 Rwtq, Sae, Bone stock with a JBA Cat-back. It ran great, then I sold it and bought my New 09 GT500 Vert, 3 weeks ago. I was never asked what kind of oil, and in fact even though I did 3 changes on motor # 2, and had the receipts, it was under the 3000 mile minimum oil change spec. Use name brand 5w/50 Full Synthetic Oil, change it regularly and keep your receipts. I just had my free dealer change with 5W/50 M.C. done, think I'll switch next time to the Redline 5W/50 and either the F. Racing, Mobil 1, K/N, or Amsoil Oil Filter, hearing it's the best of the best. Now more importantly, if I could learn to drive this sled smoothly, without clutch chatter I'll be much happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiph Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 I think I have weighed in on EVERY oil post on this forum... So here goes: We ALL change our oil MUCH MORE frequently than any manufacturers recommendation, so the chance that your motor is going to break down 6.5 quarts of full synthetic oil in less than 3000 miles is SLIM. And certainly not enough to harm your motor, unless you are road or drag racing every week. I have used the Castrol Syntec 5w-50 in my GT500 since the first oil change - which consequently was done by my dealer and they used Castrol Syntec 5/50. I do all my own oil changes myself now anyway, so as long as i keep records as to what mileage I cahnge the oil at, what more could they possibly ask? And I do use the Ford Racing filter as it seems to be much beefier than the stock filter. I would also challenge Ford to PROVE that oil brand/spec caused my engine to grenade. Their Motorcraft stuff is always somebody's rebranded oil, and they definitely are not going to tell you if they switch suppliers. Castrol has always been good stuff for me, and you can buy it lots of places. Agreed. I'm FAR from any kind of expert on oil. But am also in the changing the oil every 3K, or less, club. I mean, it's just starting to have enough of a brown haze to it so I can see it on the dipstick Been that way with every car I have had. My personal preference, just me, is the Motocraft 5-50. I get a pretty good deal from my dealer, and even as the oil being a bit on the 'spensive side....my motto is, and always has been, oil is cheep, a new engine is very expensive....outside my budget big time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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