We're so lucky

[DaFreak]

Except that these cars are just ask kickers. I was just asked today what I liked to ride more: My spouse or my Shelby? After 13 years, I didn't have an answer Man these these cars are fun!

 

DaFreak

[ingram4868]

 

If she reads this thread you will find the Shelby is not all that comfortable to sleep in.

[DaFreak]

If she reads this thread you will find the Shelby is not all that comfortable to sleep in.

 

 

Lol

 

I know... shhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

DeFreak

[DaFreak]

Just a little add to this thread. Here's how the AFCO HE Turned out. Another fun project.

 

DaFreak

 

[GO-SVT]

If she reads this thread you will find the Shelby is not all that comfortable to sleep in.

 

 

 

Thanks. I just spit my drink out all over my laptop...

[Naa-V-Doc]

Always take the 5th on those type of questions

[Rod_Michel]

Did you install the HE yourself? If so, how did the job go, any problems or mods to make it fit?

 

Thanks for the pic, gives an sense of what my ride will look like with an HE upgrade...

 

Rod

 

Just a little add to this thread. Here's how the AFCO HE Turned out. Another fun project.

 

DaFreak

 

 

[Burning Blue Star IV]

I was just asked today what I liked to ride more: My spouse or my Shelby? After 13 years, I didn't have an answer

 

 

:blink:

[DaFreak]

Did you install the HE yourself? If so, how did the job go, any problems or mods to make it fit?

 

Thanks for the pic, gives an sense of what my ride will look like with an HE upgrade...

 

Rod

 

 

Yep, I did the HE install myself and there was a couple of mods I had to do. 1). I flipped over the rubber pump mounting (attached to the HE) so that the supplied 90 degree hose would fit. This is hard to describe but unless I flipped the rubber mount over the hose was too short to hook up. The hose was part of this kit so this may not be a needed change/mod with other brands. Not a big deal just something I came up with on the fly. 2) I had to trim off part of the very bottom piece of a plastic shroud to hook up the bottom hose squarely. Again, not a big deal and only took about 30 extra seconds and had no structural affects that I can tell. 3) Lastly, burping/filling of the coolant tank was a bit a challenge for me. I had an air bubble that prevented the pump from generating any flow. After a day or two of slightly draining and filling (plus crafting a bypass pump relay jumper) I got it to bite/fill properly. Now, I am a happy camper and encourage all for this mod as it definitely makes a difference.

 

DaFreak.

[OldSchool]

Yep, I did the HE install myself and there was a couple of mods I had to do. 1). I flipped over the rubber pump mounting (attached to the HE) so that the supplied 90 degree hose would fit. This is hard to describe but unless I flipped the rubber mount over the hose was too short to hook up. The hose was part of this kit so this may not be a needed change/mod with other brands. Not a big deal just something I came up with on the fly. 2) I had to trim off part of the very bottom piece of a plastic shroud to hook up the bottom hose squarely. Again, not a big deal and only took about 30 extra seconds and had no structural affects that I can tell. 3) Lastly, burping/filling of the coolant tank was a bit a challenge for me. I had an air bubble that prevented the pump from generating any flow. After a day or two of slightly draining and filling (plus crafting a bypass pump relay jumper) I got it to bite/fill properly. Now, I am a happy camper and encourage all for this mod as it definitely makes a difference.

 

DaFreak.

 

 

What kind of difference do you actually see. I still have the factory HE and am not sure what this mod will give me. From what I understand this mod only helps if you are constantly into the supercharger over and over and this helps cool things off and that makes more power.

 

So I am trying to understand when this actually starts to make a difference. Appreciate the help.

[SVT NAJA]

If she reads this thread you will find the Shelby is not all that comfortable to sleep in.

 

 

 

This is why Pre-Nups are a must!

[bpmurr]

Just a little add to this thread. Here's how the AFCO HE Turned out. Another fun project.

 

DaFreak

 

 

 

Did this install require any cutting? Better yet do they have a pdf of the install instructions. I read the Shelby HE requires some extra modification to work with the 2010. If the Afco doesn't then I'm buying the Afco.

[DaFreak]

What kind of difference do you actually see. I still have the factory HE and am not sure what this mod will give me. From what I understand this mod only helps if you are constantly into the supercharger over and over and this helps cool things off and that makes more power.

 

So I am trying to understand when this actually starts to make a difference. Appreciate the help.

 

 

Hi OldSchool,

 

This is definitely a mod that I can feel. Not in a more HP way but rather in a sustained HP way. I am currently not a tracker and only use the car for street driving. However, when I take it out I get on it over and over again (as that's the fun part). Before I had the AFCO HE I would notice that after about 4 X of getting on it/engaging the SC it felt like I had less power. In fact, I can quantify this by remembering that after 4 X or so I had more trouble breaking the tires loose in second gear. Now with the AFCO I can break loose in second anytime and all the time. I would guess (by feel) that it holds in 40-50 HP by keeping the SC and IAT's cool. By keeping all the power in I now have a new problem to think about - Tires

 

Hope it helps,

 

DaFreak

[DaFreak]

Did this install require any cutting? Better yet do they have a pdf of the install instructions. I read the Shelby HE requires some extra modification to work with the 2010. If the Afco doesn't then I'm buying the Afco.

 

 

Hi bpmurr,

 

I still have the install instructions at home. They are printed out though and not in pdf format. I can take a picture and post up here if you like. However, this particular question is not addressed in the instructions. It simply says something like "Hook up the bottom hose". BTW - The hose I am talking about is the one that takes the cooled coolant from the HE and sends it to the intercooler. It connects to the AFCO and Stock HE at the bottom of the HE unit on the passenger side. To make this connection, cutting of the plastic shroud is only required to make a "clean" fit. But it is so minor that it shouldn't scare you away from the unit or install. In fact, it was so minor that you probably don't even need to do it but I wanted that clean fit. I could have just pushed the plastic out of the way (it's loose that the bottom) but it would then be wedged between the pipe and the radiator. Also, this did not require cutting out a hole in the plastic but simply cutting the bottom most corner of the plastic back so that the hose connects squarely without interference from the plastic. I remember from Magilla12's pics (Shelby HE install) that he had to cut out a hole in the plastic shroud for HE INLET hose which is near the top of the unit. It likely something you would have to do for the Shelby unit (on the 2010's) but different from the cut I am talking about. This INLET hose cut was not required on the AFCO unit as this connection is located on the same side as the Stock unit. I may be wrong but it looks like the Shelby's INLET hose connection is on the same side as the outlet hose connection? Maybe someone can chime in on that?

 

Hope it helps,

 

DaFreak

[Michael Morris]

I might have told this story before, but its still pretty funny to me.

 

A few years ago I bought a 69 Boss 429. Mostly original car, so it was parked in the garage at the house. (before we had somewhere else to park cars) Well I have a 80 CJ7 that I bought from my wife when were still dating. This Jeep is part of the family! So the Boss9 is in the garage with a car cover living the good life and the CJ7 is outside getting rained on and getting pretty trashed from the elements. After a pretty heavy rain fall Brandi asks "Why do WE park the Mustang outside and bring the CJ7 inside for awhile." I looked at her with a straight face and said " Sweetheart you will sleep outside BEFORE the Boss9 does" We had a big laugh and she dropped the subject. Funny part is I dont think she knew I was SERIOUS!!!

 

Wfies can be replaced, but Shelbys are forever!!! LOL. (Im just kidding. I wouldnt TAKE ANY car for my bride)

 

 

MM

[bpmurr]

Hi bpmurr,

 

I still have the install instructions at home. They are printed out though and not in pdf format. I can take a picture and post up here if you like. However, this particular question is not addressed in the instructions. It simply says something like "Hook up the bottom hose". BTW - The hose I am talking about is the one that takes the cooled coolant from the HE and sends it to the intercooler. It connects to the AFCO and Stock HE at the bottom of the HE unit on the passenger side. To make this connection, cutting of the plastic shroud is only required to make a "clean" fit. But it is so minor that it shouldn't scare you away from the unit or install. In fact, it was so minor that you probably don't even need to do it but I wanted that clean fit. I could have just pushed the plastic out of the way (it's loose that the bottom) but it would then be wedged between the pipe and the radiator. Also, this did not require cutting out a hole in the plastic but simply cutting the bottom most corner of the plastic back so that the hose connects squarely without interference from the plastic. I remember from Magilla12's pics (Shelby HE install) that he had to cut out a hole in the plastic shroud for HE INLET hose which is near the top of the unit. It likely something you would have to do for the Shelby unit (on the 2010's) but different from the cut I am talking about. This INLET hose cut was not required on the AFCO unit as this connection is located on the same side as the Stock unit. I may be wrong but it looks like the Shelby's INLET hose connection is on the same side as the outlet hose connection? Maybe someone can chime in on that?

 

Hope it helps,

 

DaFreak

 

 

Thanks! Since you drive yours on the street a lot how loud are the fans? Do you hear them while inside the car?

[DaFreak]

I might have told this story before, but its still pretty funny to me.

 

A few years ago I bought a 69 Boss 429. Mostly original car, so it was parked in the garage at the house. (before we had somewhere else to park cars) Well I have a 80 CJ7 that I bought from my wife when were still dating. This Jeep is part of the family! So the Boss9 is in the garage with a car cover living the good life and the CJ7 is outside getting rained on and getting pretty trashed from the elements. After a pretty heavy rain fall Brandi asks "Why do WE park the Mustang outside and bring the CJ7 inside for awhile." I looked at her with a straight face and said " Sweetheart you will sleep outside BEFORE the Boss9 does" We had a big laugh and she dropped the subject. Funny part is I dont think she knew I was SERIOUS!!!

 

Wfies can be replaced, but Shelbys are forever!!! LOL. (Im just kidding. I wouldnt TAKE ANY car for my bride)

 

 

MM

 

 

LOL, great story MM and sooooo true!

[DaFreak]

Thanks! Since you drive yours on the street a lot how loud are the fans? Do you hear them while inside the car?

 

 

Good question here. They are loud but not loud enough to hear them from the inside. Also, they run all the time right from start up. I might look into hooking them up to a thermostat switch of some kind. One day after the install my wife did comment on hearing them when I pulled into the garage. She put it like this: "As you were idling into the garage I heard the fans but as soon as you went by me I only heard the exhaust." Again this was pretty much at idle when gently pulling into the garage and I have never heard them from the inside.

 

DaFreak

[mustanggt500]

Couple things to add here and maybe give some insight on questions asked:

 

I got the SHELBY Dual HE and did the install on it. As far as I can tell the AFCO and SHELBY are the same thing. In fact the instructions and warranty papers and all that say AFCO on them. So until I can see both sitting on a work bench side by side they sure seem to be the same thing.

 

The install on the SHELBY one needed the EXACT same shroud cut "mod" that the AFCO needs. As stated, it took about an extra 30 seconds to trim some plastic off the shroud to make it fit comfortably instead of wedged. Other than that shroud cut the only other thing you have to do is mount and install the wires just as in the AFCO model.

 

Burping the system was simple as well. Followed the instructions by filling the system, turning on the car and letting it get up to running temp and adding water as needed. Let it run for 5-10 minutes at operating temps and you are done. Super easy, talked about this in my write up of this MOD.

 

As for the fans and the sound. Depending on how you hook up the system they will be on all the time or on ONLY when your water pump turns on. I opted to follow the instructions provided that had me hook into the water pump wire and they turn on only when it turns on. They are loud, and at an idle with the windows down you can hear it. someone outside at an idle up front can REALLY hear them. being the driver and knowing what to listen for, you can hear it in the car with windows up and at an idle. but they do not at all disrupt the enjoyable sound of the car.

 

Usefulness of the MOD. It does not really matter if you are a track person, a heavy footed person or a grandma grocery getter. Just driving the car around the pump comes on to pull coolant through your super charger because it is getting VERY hot just sitting ontop of your motor. The 100-200+ degrees it is generating just running is bleeding up into the super charger. You get into it then its just that much more, so the HE will be turning on the pump to try and cool this constant heat down. and if you are just put putting around town you are getting very little air flow through the HE and your supercharger is getting hot and staying hotter. This system will be pulling via dual 12 inch fans (very high powered at that) a LOT of air through the HE and keeping things MUCH cooler at all times and not just when you are moving fast.

 

If you can fit this mod in your budget and you can spare the time to install it then i highly recommend it. It will enhance the performance of your car through reducing the heat sink and it will really get you familiar with your car because you get to dig into the front end quit a bit for this MOD.

 

Nic

[DaFreak]

Couple things to add here and maybe give some insight on questions asked:

 

I got the SHELBY Dual HE and did the install on it. As far as I can tell the AFCO and SHELBY are the same thing. In fact the instructions and warranty papers and all that say AFCO on them. So until I can see both sitting on a work bench side by side they sure seem to be the same thing.

 

The install on the SHELBY one needed the EXACT same shroud cut "mod" that the AFCO needs. As stated, it took about an extra 30 seconds to trim some plastic off the shroud to make it fit comfortably instead of wedged. Other than that shroud cut the only other thing you have to do is mount and install the wires just as in the AFCO model.

 

Burping the system was simple as well. Followed the instructions by filling the system, turning on the car and letting it get up to running temp and adding water as needed. Let it run for 5-10 minutes at operating temps and you are done. Super easy, talked about this in my write up of this MOD.

 

As for the fans and the sound. Depending on how you hook up the system they will be on all the time or on ONLY when your water pump turns on. I opted to follow the instructions provided that had me hook into the water pump wire and they turn on only when it turns on. They are loud, and at an idle with the windows down you can hear it. someone outside at an idle up front can REALLY hear them. being the driver and knowing what to listen for, you can hear it in the car with windows up and at an idle. but they do not at all disrupt the enjoyable sound of the car.

 

Usefulness of the MOD. It does not really matter if you are a track person, a heavy footed person or a grandma grocery getter. Just driving the car around the pump comes on to pull coolant through your super charger because it is getting VERY hot just sitting ontop of your motor. The 100-200+ degrees it is generating just running is bleeding up into the super charger. You get into it then its just that much more, so the HE will be turning on the pump to try and cool this constant heat down. and if you are just put putting around town you are getting very little air flow through the HE and your supercharger is getting hot and staying hotter. This system will be pulling via dual 12 inch fans (very high powered at that) a LOT of air through the HE and keeping things MUCH cooler at all times and not just when you are moving fast.

 

If you can fit this mod in your budget and you can spare the time to install it then i highly recommend it. It will enhance the performance of your car through reducing the heat sink and it will really get you familiar with your car because you get to dig into the front end quit a bit for this MOD.

 

Nic

 

 

Good info Nic. I thought it was the Shelby and C&R HE's that were the same? Interestingly I also wired the fans into the pump wiring but my fans run all the time. I also have the 91-93 VMP tune so I wonder if that's got the pump running all the time? Your thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

DaFreak

[tdusseau]

See this is why it is not cool to have your email pushed to your BlackBerry. My wife see this stuff and then asks me the same dam question.

 

And me being me. I said.....Hell lets go out to the garage and recline the seats

[DaFreak]

See this is why it is not cool to have your email pushed to your BlackBerry. My wife see this stuff and then asks me the same dam question.

 

And me being me. I said.....Hell lets go out to the garage and recline the seats

 

 

I like it T! I hope the wifey showed you who was the real boss!

 

DaFreak

[mustanggt500]

Good info Nic. I thought it was the Shelby and C&R HE's that were the same? Interestingly I also wired the fans into the pump wiring but my fans run all the time. I also have the 91-93 VMP tune so I wonder if that's got the pump running all the time? Your thoughts?

 

Thanks,

 

DaFreak

 

Dang, I may have mis stated the AFCO portion in regards to SHELBY. I need to get home from this trip so i can check my paperwork. The SHELBY comes with warranty and service papers for 2 companies, one for the fans and another for the HE. But I believe one was a C&R paper now that you mention it.

 

Now, for the wires. I am by no means speaking from a shop owner and expert position, but if you jump wire into the pump wire then those fans should only come on when that pump wire goes hot to turn on the pump. I would not think that a tune would keep that pump on at all times due to wear and tear. Could it be a design in those fans to stay on all the time? But saying that, it still does not make sense, because that wire should only get power when the pump is told to come on. Something you could check is maybe start up the car and open the hood, watch the HE coolant tank and see if water is cycling through it. See if the fans are on and no water is cycling through the tank? It would be best to check this immidiatly upon starting the car because the pump should not come on for a good 5 minutes after initial cold start. If those fans are up and running from the turn of the key then I am not sure what would cause that because they should not even be getting power from the white pump wire till it is told by the computer to turn on and cool the super charger.

 

It bums me out because im 10 thousand miles away from my car and have only had the chance to drive it 10 miles after installing all my stuff. Otherwise I would go out and check my theory and check my system. But i do know without a doubt my fans do not run all the time. And i am almost certain they only come on when that pump starts moving water through the system. I would be a little concerned out of lack of knowledge if either the fans or the pump ran all the time. Maybe if the car is only driven a hundred miles or whatnot a year, but if it is going to have some real fun loving miles put on it then it seems to me they should only run when needed.

 

Nic

[DaFreak]

Dang, I may have mis stated the AFCO portion in regards to SHELBY. I need to get home from this trip so i can check my paperwork. The SHELBY comes with warranty and service papers for 2 companies, one for the fans and another for the HE. But I believe one was a C&R paper now that you mention it.

 

Now, for the wires. I am by no means speaking from a shop owner and expert position, but if you jump wire into the pump wire then those fans should only come on when that pump wire goes hot to turn on the pump. I would not think that a tune would keep that pump on at all times due to wear and tear. Could it be a design in those fans to stay on all the time? But saying that, it still does not make sense, because that wire should only get power when the pump is told to come on. Something you could check is maybe start up the car and open the hood, watch the HE coolant tank and see if water is cycling through it. See if the fans are on and no water is cycling through the tank? It would be best to check this immidiatly upon starting the car because the pump should not come on for a good 5 minutes after initial cold start. If those fans are up and running from the turn of the key then I am not sure what would cause that because they should not even be getting power from the white pump wire till it is told by the computer to turn on and cool the super charger.

 

It bums me out because im 10 thousand miles away from my car and have only had the chance to drive it 10 miles after installing all my stuff. Otherwise I would go out and check my theory and check my system. But i do know without a doubt my fans do not run all the time. And i am almost certain they only come on when that pump starts moving water through the system. I would be a little concerned out of lack of knowledge if either the fans or the pump ran all the time. Maybe if the car is only driven a hundred miles or whatnot a year, but if it is going to have some real fun loving miles put on it then it seems to me they should only run when needed.

 

Nic

 

 

Thanks again Nic.

 

DaFreak

[OldSchool]

Hi OldSchool,

 

This is definitely a mod that I can feel. Not in a more HP way but rather in a sustained HP way. I am currently not a tracker and only use the car for street driving. However, when I take it out I get on it over and over again (as that's the fun part). Before I had the AFCO HE I would notice that after about 4 X of getting on it/engaging the SC it felt like I had less power. In fact, I can quantify this by remembering that after 4 X or so I had more trouble breaking the tires loose in second gear. Now with the AFCO I can break loose in second anytime and all the time. I would guess (by feel) that it holds in 40-50 HP by keeping the SC and IAT's cool. By keeping all the power in I now have a new problem to think about - Tires

 

Hope it helps,

 

DaFreak

 

 

DaFreak,

 

Really appreciate the info. Will add this to my growing list :happy feet: