RACERX009 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Well we know ford racing has one coming out !!! I pick up the new issue of Mustang performance and they are showing off are old friend C&L intake saying that on a stock 4.6L gains should be from 11 to 14 hp. The only thing that, I liked is you don't need to replace the charge motion plates the new intake replaces it in runner length. They did test it with 3 throttlebody's and with a worked up engine with ported heads and cams which with new intake made 409 rwhp. I have more confidence in Ford racing than C&L since they sold there first intake and then pulled of the market to rework it. I'm wondering how many people got stuck with a 700.00 paper weight. I'm sure the real gear heads on here will get a better low down than me on this topic !!! But one thing thats for sure one purchase and the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewheels Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 JPC has one also. Seems like a lot to spend for so little hp increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 The C&L is a failure in my opinion. The same gains can be realized by simply installing charge motion delete plates. I'm hoping the FRPP intake produces some real gains. If nothing else, it's a great looking piece. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 JPC has one also. Seems like a lot to spend for so little hp increase. Thats exactly the point paying about 800.00 for 10hp is insane but, I agree that the better the engine breaths the better it runs. But with out the real #'s on paper. I'm not buying anything and thats why I ran the agent 47 brake cooling system up to the CAI. Cause how can you call it a cold air intake when its sucking hot air from the engine. I love the set ups that the filter is back by the firewall thats the cold air area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 ^Procharger is the only one I know of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500-07 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 The C&L is a failure in my opinion. The same gains can be realized by simply installing charge motion delete plates. I'm hoping the FRPP intake produces some real gains. If nothing else, it's a great looking piece. Ken +1, stay with the FR intake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpow96 Posted February 3, 2010 Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 ^Procharger is the only one I know of Wouldn't engine heat be just as bad back there unless one has some sort of cowl induction? -Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted February 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2010 Wouldn't engine heat be just as bad back there unless one has some sort of cowl induction? -Tom That photo say's it all !! suxing up heated air if anything I would box that off around the filter then put a vent in the hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowLands Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 I guess I'll just have to show you guys how good the C&L really is. The first results that were out on the market were due to some shops selling the pre-production prototypes that were NOT supposed to leave their shops. C&L has the final production piece out now and it is showing excellent results. Typical bolt-on n/a cars are seeing anywhere from 10-25 hp depending on the tuner. More serious n/a cars are seeing upwards of 40 hp. And I've seen the results between the C&L vs FRPP. 3hp either way with various throttle bodies and tuning. Three horsepower. That is within the variance of every chassis dyno on the planet. They're virtually identical. One thing I do like about the C&L is that it is essentially a "bottom-feeder" type intake where the throttle body is below the runner entries. This type of intake setup has been proven to make more power and have better runner-runner distribution than any other design. We're about to see just how well it works with a serious twin turbo 302" stroker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 I guess I'll just have to show you guys how good the C&L really is. The first results that were out on the market were due to some shops selling the pre-production prototypes that were NOT supposed to leave their shops. C&L has the final production piece out now and it is showing excellent results. Typical bolt-on n/a cars are seeing anywhere from 10-25 hp depending on the tuner. More serious n/a cars are seeing upwards of 40 hp. And I've seen the results between the C&L vs FRPP. 3hp either way with various throttle bodies and tuning. Three horsepower. That is within the variance of every chassis dyno on the planet. They're virtually identical. One thing I do like about the C&L is that it is essentially a "bottom-feeder" type intake where the throttle body is below the runner entries. This type of intake setup has been proven to make more power and have better runner-runner distribution than any other design. We're about to see just how well it works with a serious twin turbo 302" stroker. My mind will be made up when the reviews come out with hp #'s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuLu Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Y'all are confusing me here. What is the topic of opinion/debate? What (exactly) are we talking about? As I read rthese posts, I'm thinking "intake", meaning the intake manifold. LuLu has the latest version of the C&L intake manifold, with the stock twin 62mm throttle body. Dyno reports reflect power gains of 40+ RWTQ, which is more than worth the 700.+ investment. Moreover, the charge motion plates are deleted with the C&L intake as it lowers the overall engine height by roughly .25" (as indicated by the increase in strut tower brace clearance).IMHO, the C&L is a winner (and no-brainer) if you are looking to build power at the wheels. BTW, remember, gents, that it is RWTQ that moves the car forward quickly. RWHP and BHP numbers just come along for the ride (if they show at all). When modding your 4.6L-3V, watch the RWTQ numbers and power curve. As they grow, you'll be faster. Horsepower is incidental, you may gain nothing in numbers and still kick some very surprised azz. OTOH...If the topic open here is about cold air "intakes" (a misnomer because a CAI is a cold air "induction" kit), then I have nothing to add. I was very pleased that LuLu came stock with the FRP kit, and I could not improve upon that design as hard as I tried. IMHO, there is simply nothing to gain (at any cost) by replacing the stock SGT induction kit for any aftermarket cold air induction kit. But, this is just the way I see it, yourresults may vary. Carry on, Gents and be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500-07 Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Y'all are confusing me here. What is the topic of opinion/debate? What (exactly) are we talking about? As I read rthese posts, I'm thinking "intake", meaning the intake manifold. LuLu has the latest version of the C&L intake manifold, with the stock twin 62mm throttle body. Dyno reports reflect power gains of 40+ RWTQ, which is more than worth the 700.+ investment. Moreover, the charge motion plates are deleted with the C&L intake as it lowers the overall engine height by roughly .25" (as indicated by the increase in strut tower brace clearance).IMHO, the C&L is a winner (and no-brainer) if you are looking to build power at the wheels. BTW, remember, gents, that it is RWTQ that moves the car forward quickly. RWHP and BHP numbers just come along for the ride (if they show at all). When modding your 4.6L-3V, watch the RWTQ numbers and power curve. As they grow, you'll be faster. Horsepower is incidental, you may gain nothing in numbers and still kick some very surprised azz. OTOH...If the topic open here is about cold air "intakes" (a misnomer because a CAI is a cold air "induction" kit), then I have nothing to add. I was very pleased that LuLu came stock with the FRP kit, and I could not improve upon that design as hard as I tried. IMHO, there is simply nothing to gain (at any cost) by replacing the stock SGT induction kit for any aftermarket cold air induction kit. But, this is just the way I see it, yourresults may vary. Carry on, Gents and be safe. glad to see you back Mac :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Welcome back Mac. The topic at hand is certainly intake manifolds. I also dislike when people refer to a CAI as an 'intake'. It just confuses me. Anyway, glad to see you've gotten those kinds of numbers from the C&L. Everything I've read elsewhere (which is limited, mind you) has pointed to much lower gains (identical to gains reported from simply adding charge motion delete plates). In any event, I most definitely prefer the look of the FRPP intake that's apparently right around the corner. So hopefully for me anyway, it touts some impressive results. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 Y'all are confusing me here. What is the topic of opinion/debate? What (exactly) are we talking about? As I read rthese posts, I'm thinking "intake", meaning the intake manifold. LuLu has the latest version of the C&L intake manifold, with the stock twin 62mm throttle body. Dyno reports reflect power gains of 40+ RWTQ, which is more than worth the 700.+ investment. Moreover, the charge motion plates are deleted with the C&L intake as it lowers the overall engine height by roughly .25" (as indicated by the increase in strut tower brace clearance).IMHO, the C&L is a winner (and no-brainer) if you are looking to build power at the wheels. BTW, remember, gents, that it is RWTQ that moves the car forward quickly. RWHP and BHP numbers just come along for the ride (if they show at all). When modding your 4.6L-3V, watch the RWTQ numbers and power curve. As they grow, you'll be faster. Horsepower is incidental, you may gain nothing in numbers and still kick some very surprised azz. OTOH...If the topic open here is about cold air "intakes" (a misnomer because a CAI is a cold air "induction" kit), then I have nothing to add. I was very pleased that LuLu came stock with the FRP kit, and I could not improve upon that design as hard as I tried. IMHO, there is simply nothing to gain (at any cost) by replacing the stock SGT induction kit for any aftermarket cold air induction kit. But, this is just the way I see it, yourresults may vary. Carry on, Gents and be safe. Mac, that sounds like a great upgrade. I'm kinda flyin' the Naturally Aspirated flag over here, and I like the idea of adding torque as much as the next guy. So, I'll guess you like the C&L? I'm into torque, as my wife says, I'm the "King of 0 to the speed limit". So I do my John Force impression at the stoplight, but not enough to get a ticket! I'm getting ready to camp out in the garage for a week or so, thinking about Brembos, Razors, Fays2 Watts link, etc. My engine's getting jealous of the love I'm giving the suspension, maybe the C&L will give the ol' girl a goose? BTW, nice to see you posting again. You bring out the curmudgeon in me, and I like it. Jer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Mac, that sounds like a great upgrade. I'm kinda flyin' the Naturally Aspirated flag over here, and I like the idea of adding torque as much as the next guy. So, I'll guess you like the C&L? I'm into torque, as my wife says, I'm the "King of 0 to the speed limit". So I do my John Force impression at the stoplight, but not enough to get a ticket! I'm getting ready to camp out in the garage for a week or so, thinking about Brembos, Razors, Fays2 Watts link, etc. My engine's getting jealous of the love I'm giving the suspension, maybe the C&L will give the ol' girl a goose? BTW, nice to see you posting again. You bring out the curmudgeon in me, and I like it. Jer Did, I miss a kodak moment!!! I also get angry when the proper mechanical componets are not referred to properly. Do you Gent's concur with that statement. I do believe we shall make an educational evaluation of are members and hopefully steer the lower educated car enthusiast to a more suitable organization. Since that being said, I will have say good night and cheers to all the high achievers like myself. P.S You also bring out the enmity in me for the under educated people who speak freely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jer Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Did, I miss a kodak moment!!! I also get angry when the proper mechanical componets are not referred to properly. Do you Gent's concur with that statement. I do believe we shall make an educational evaluation of are members and hopefully steer the lower educated car enthusiast to a more suitable organization. Since that being said, I will have say good night and cheers to all the high achievers like myself. P.S You also bring out the enmity in me for the under educated people who speak freely. Your quoting of my message hopefully does not mean anything other than a simple oversight, I hope? I'm pretty sure you weren't referring to my post... Jer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Your quoting of my message hopefully does not mean anything other than a simple oversight, I hope? I'm pretty sure you weren't referring to my post... Jer Are you paranoid?? Should, I go into hiding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 MM&FF reports that the new FRPP intake will show gains of 20-50 HP depending on application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowLands Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 MM&FF reports that the new FRPP intake will show gains of 20-50 HP depending on application. And you believe that rag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 ^It tells no lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR40Freak Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 And you believe that rag? Ford Tech Line backed that statement up when I called them the other day. Its very RPM dependent though. Colin Sebern CorteX Racing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 ^What's that mean? It'll make 50 HP under full boost at 7k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR40Freak Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 ^What's that mean? It'll make 50 HP under full boost at 7k? The intake allows the engine to make much more power at higher RPM as apparently the stock one does flow that well at higher RPM. But the bottom end is still the weak link. Combined with ported heads and Hot Rod cams it supposed to be pretty impressive. I'm waiting for the 5.0 replacement crate engine, but a few mods in the meantime might need to happen. Colin Sebern CorteX Racing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowLands Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Ford Tech Line backed that statement up when I called them the other day. Its very RPM dependent though. Colin Sebern CorteX Racing Of course they did. What did you expect them to say? Did they also happen to say when it will be released? Because so far.....it's vaporware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted April 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 I'm still waiting to see a show down between the 2 manifolds !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordFan1 Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 :burnout: I'm waiting for the 5.0 replacement crate engine, but a few mods in the meantime might need to happen. Colin Sebern CorteX Racing Great idea Colin, that's why I elected to do a few minimal upgrades on my NA 4.6L last month instead of adding a supercharger to get me by the 2010 season- :burnout: I had a lot of doubters bashing me on other forums about adding a 5.0 vs supercharging the 4.6, but I don't really care what they think, a Ford Performance Parts crate motor will be on order as soon as they become available. This isn't my first rodeo, I purchased and installed a GT40 complete long block in my 85 GT back in 1992 before the 93 Cobra was even on the market. Need less to say it was a fun car even with a carb- 12.90's 26mpg with 3.73 and a few broken T5's =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 :burnout: Great idea Colin, that's why I elected to do a few minimal upgrades on my NA 4.6L last month instead of adding a supercharger to get me by the 2010 season- :burnout: I had a lot of doubters bashing me on other forums about adding a 5.0 vs supercharging the 4.6, but I don't really care what they think, a Ford Performance Parts crate motor will be on order as soon as they become available. This isn't my first rodeo, I purchased and installed a GT40 complete long block in my 85 GT back in 1992 before the 93 Cobra was even on the market. Need less to say it was a fun car even with a carb- 12.90's 26mpg with 3.73 and a few broken T5's =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- More power to you guys, I think its a smart move but why pay for a crate just rent a 5.0 mustang and swap motors like in the old days Hertz rentals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 ^This might be the first good idea you've had Racer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RACERX009 Posted April 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 ^This might be the first good idea you've had Racer! Thank you and I still think the nut house money maker will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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