cbr1000 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 If you replace the upper pulley is a tune required? I ask because it seems like replacing the pulley is the best bang for the buck power adder. If you add the tune as well then the price jumps significantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubbsFaris Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 If you replace the upper pulley is a tune required? I ask because it seems like replacing the pulley is the best bang for the buck power adder. If you add the tune as well then the price jumps significantly. yup, your car will go into limp mode when it senses the different forced air input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jared@lethal Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 You definitely need a tune when putting on an smaller pulley. Please feel free to give us a call if you have any more questions and we'll be glad to assist you. Us black w/grabber blue guys got to stick together! :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08 Mustang Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 You definitely need a tune when putting on an smaller pulley. Please feel free to give us a call if you have any more questions and we'll be glad to assist you. Us black w/grabber blue guys got to stick together! :happy feet: hey now, don't forget about us little people with the red ones...LOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jared@lethal Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 hey now, don't forget about us little people with the red ones...LOL!!! Sorry..... We love those too. :happy feet: :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08 Mustang Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Sorry..... We love those too. :happy feet: :happy feet: LOL....appreciate it.. ...and thanks for the info on that innovators west 10% overdrive balancer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt320 Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 yup, your car will go into limp mode when it senses the different forced air input. Forgive me for asking, but what is "limp mode" and how does it compare to a tuned vehicle and stock settings? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballinsoldier Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Forgive me for asking, but what is "limp mode" and how does it compare to a tuned vehicle and stock settings?Thanks! Basically cuts the power drastically of the engine so you don't blow stuff up. Makes your GT500 run as if it had the engine of a moped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torched10 Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 LOL....appreciate it.. ...and thanks for the info on that innovators west 10% overdrive balancer! Cam--good seeing you today,pretty awesome group of Shelbys at the cruise.Did i undrestand you to say you had to retune your car when you put the new air intake on--do you thinkthat would be true for a 2010 as well?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2010KonaBlueGT Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Forgive me for asking, but what is "limp mode" and how does it compare to a tuned vehicle and stock settings?Thanks! Your OBD-II compliant vehicle uses a computer controlled closed-loop (i.e. feedback) system. It includes a on-board computer (PCM) that provides you with the lowest emissions AND the most power possible (AT THE SAME TIME). You can get better emissions, you can get more power, just not AT THE SAME TIME. It uses a variety of inputs/sensors that provide input signals to the PCM/ECU as indications of engine load, vehicle speed, engine RPM, etc. with which the CPU within the PCM translates into outputs to the fuel injectors, ignition module (timing), dash board (speedo, etc.), etc. This is accomplished with the use of a simple look-up graph (map) programmed into the ROM/PROM. Limp-home mode is the failsafe mode that puts the ECU into a pre-programed open-loop mode in the event of a total input/sensor failure. It is a lookup graph (i.e. 'map') that is designed to allow you to drive your vehicle a short distance such as home or to the dealer, rather than simply fail and leave you stranded on the side of the road. It is typically a very rich program and the vehicle most often runs like crap, stinks like sulphur and the Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) remains lighted/lit to notify the driver that there is a problem. HTH, Phill Pollard 2010 Kona Blue/White GT500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bring500 Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 If you replace the upper pulley is a tune required? I ask because it seems like replacing the pulley is the best bang for the buck power adder. If you add the tune as well then the price jumps significantly. Check the Jan. 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords mag. They indicate that there is enough cushion in the stock tune to run a 2.65" pulley. The pulley, alone, added 18 hp, pulley and tune added about 45 hp. Just a tune, without pulley, added 13 hp. These are pretty low numbers, compared with some claims on this site, but are probably realistic, at least at the 100 degree temps at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSD Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Check the Jan. 5.0 Mustang & Super Fords mag. They indicate that there is enough cushion in the stock tune to run a 2.65" pulley. The pulley, alone, added 18 hp, pulley and tune added about 45 hp. Just a tune, without pulley, added 13 hp. These are pretty low numbers, compared with some claims on this site, but are probably realistic, at least at the 100 degree temps at the time. That was VMP. I believe the numbers are accurate. The bottom line is, the 2010 is the EXACT SAME ENGINE as 07-09 with a better tune and a CAI. How do these vendors claim +40 on an 07-09 AND +40 on a 10? If they can get +40 with the 10 shouldn't they able to get +80 with an 07-09? Doesn't add up. Ford closed the gap on the tuners by including a more aggressive tune and a CAI. There is less to be had, much less, yet the tuners seem to advertise the exact same power gains over stock they got on the 07-09s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jared@lethal Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 That was VMP. I believe the numbers are accurate. The bottom line is, the 2010 is the EXACT SAME ENGINE as 07-09 with a better tune and a CAI. How do these vendors claim +40 on an 07-09 AND +40 on a 10? If they can get +40 with the 10 shouldn't they able to get +80 with an 07-09? Doesn't add up. Ford closed the gap on the tuners by including a more aggressive tune and a CAI. There is less to be had, much less, yet the tuners seem to advertise the exact same power gains over stock they got on the 07-09s. I can tell you from first hand experience that on our 2010 we got a solid 49rwhp from a tune alone. 93 octane tune dyno'd on the same dyno, same day within an hour of the first pull. Threw on an offroad pipe and made another 15rwhp with no change to the tune whatsoever. We never did a back to back dyno on our 08' from stock to tuned with an intake but I do recall we dyno'd the car with an intake, tune, headers and catback and made 525rwhp in the FL summer heat. The intake and tune on the 07-09 should yield you between 60-80rwhp depending on your conditions and that's what most people end up seeing. Hope that helps. Jared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisSD Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Jared, If I purchased a tuner + tune and made 12rw additional over stock, SAE corrected on the same day would you refund the entire purchase price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr1000 Posted December 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 That was VMP. I believe the numbers are accurate. The bottom line is, the 2010 is the EXACT SAME ENGINE as 07-09 with a better tune and a CAI. How do these vendors claim +40 on an 07-09 AND +40 on a 10? If they can get +40 with the 10 shouldn't they able to get +80 with an 07-09? Doesn't add up. Ford closed the gap on the tuners by including a more aggressive tune and a CAI. There is less to be had, much less, yet the tuners seem to advertise the exact same power gains over stock they got on the 07-09s. $500 is a lot to waste if your not getting much of a gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jared@lethal Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Jared, If I purchased a tuner + tune and made 12rw additional over stock, SAE corrected on the same day would you refund the entire purchase price? Unfortunately we do not offer refunds on used electronic items such as the SCT handheld devices. Once you've used it on your vehicle and matched it to your ECU we cannot take it back regardless if it made more than what we advertise. Please let us know if you have any other questions. Thanks, Jared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jared@lethal Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 <!--quoteo(post=863708:date=Dec 7 2009, 11:50 AM:name=ChrisSD)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ChrisSD @ Dec 7 2009, 11:50 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=863708"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That was VMP. I believe the numbers are accurate. The bottom line is, the 2010 is the EXACT SAME ENGINE as 07-09 with a better tune and a CAI. How do these vendors claim +40 on an 07-09 AND +40 on a 10? If they can get +40 with the 10 shouldn't they able to get +80 with an 07-09? Doesn't add up. Ford closed the gap on the tuners by including a more aggressive tune and a CAI. There is less to be had, much less, yet the tuners seem to advertise the exact same power gains over stock they got on the 07-09s.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> $500 is a lot to waste if your not getting much of a gain. Pretty much everyone that's gone with a performance tune on the 2010 see the gains we advertise. I've only had one 2010 customer tell me that he didn't make the advertised gain. He also said that had purchased another tune from another reputable vendor before us with the same results. I really can't comment on why or how he's getting those results as it's the first I've heard of this. Could it be the testing environment, the tune not loading properly or something else? I'm sure. However, everyone else that I've dealt with on a tune/tuner for a 2010 though has given us excellent feedback. From first hand experience I can say with confidence that you will not be let down with this mod. Jared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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