Radical08 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I guess he would smoke your whipple car as well if a Z06. My 550 whipple set up is quite fast and the term smoke a Z06 to mine, yours or the Kahman car is far extended. Yes I've hung and exceeded a Z06 in the quarter but no way a smoke out. Lets be real now. I love my Shelby and have owned numerous Stangs since 1975 but these are not supercars. I suppose you can dump 10s of thousands of dollars in to any car and make it a super car but sooner or later there will be a failure of the weakest link. My points on research such as the whipple, is if you did your home work and knew the limitations of the car failures would not be happening. FRPP did that with the whipple kit and never had a failure on the kit as issued and installed. If you plan on racing any car no matter what the set up, plan on failures and costly repairs. That is why after over 30 years of cars and mostly Mustangs, I now have spirited driving but not all out racing that waste my hard earned cash. My Shelby was modified at Tamba Bay Shelby where Steve usually deals with $100K plus Shelby Cobra restorations. It was completed perfectly unlike MMR issues and un-necesssary headaches. That is why a while back I questioned UPR about the incorrect placement of the oil catch can when I saw Ken's. Never received an answer from UPR because they knew they screwed up. My catch can was designed for my previous Vette and I took it and installed it myself where it was supposed to be. I use factory manuals and rely on tech experts that I know are proven performers and handle cars like they were their own car. I do most of the work myself but in the case of the whipple I opted for Shelby at Tampa Bay because of quality and I did not feel like leaning over a fender all weekend. It's bad to say and I hate to admit it but the tech side on Vettes far exceeds the Mustangs. I think much of that is because of the background and age of most Vette owners. Like it or not that reality. However the Mustangs have far more parts that are cost efficient compared to a Vette. So before you buy anything it gets researched and then installed, not after the fact or after a failure. IMO, Ken would smoke a new Z06. His honesty and attention to detail is helping me a lot since I plan to upgrade my internals this spring. Just learning about MMR is worth a lot to anyone thinking of going that route. (I know I was) Ken, when I'm done, you're more than welcome to take Betsy for a "spirited" spin! Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted January 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 ^I still don't quite understand what your issue is. There have been many headaches thus far with this project, but all of them have been caused by a local machine shop or MMR. The valvetrain failure itself occurred because Comp told me not to install cam phaser limiters or lockouts at the time that I installed the stage 2 cams/springs/retainers. They later ammended this recommendation with my specific cam, which was unknown to me until it was too late. Racing costs money, that's true. I enjoy it enough, however, to spend that money obviously. I'm really not sure what else to tell you there. With regards to tech expertise, I've sought advice from dozens of well informed people that I haven't mentioned here, with regard to this specific project. I've built auto engines in the past, but never a modular motor. The Paxton install was easy breezy and not beyond my capability, by any means. I work as the director of operations for a natural gas fired power plant. I've been an industrial mechanic since I was 19 years old. I'm about to begin a complete top end on a 20 cylinder, carbureted, Austrian built, ABB-turbocharged, green machine that's the size of your garage. I know engines and I know them well. What else is it that we're discussing here again? I'd prefer to stay on topic, because those interested in a forged stroker build aren't going to get much tech insight reading any of these kinds of posts, this one included. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical08 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I don't have an issue but if you had so much engineering expertise as you pointed out how on earth were so many mistakes made. There are many areas to get info on a forged engine build not just this one project where it started off bad from the get go. Not sure what I learn from that. I'm pointing out there are other avenues for info so others don't make mistakes that maybe can't afford to. I've never seen so much just to build a small block forged engine that maybe takes a week to do and most parts could be obtained from Summit Racing. I've never had an issue with obtaining quality parts from Summit or Jegs. Maybe the younger crowd has the interest for all that. ^I still don't quite understand what your issue is. There have been many headaches thus far with this project, but all of them have been caused by a local machine shop or MMR. The valvetrain failure itself occurred because Comp told me not to install cam phaser limiters or lockouts at the time that I installed the stage 2 cams/springs/retainers. They later ammended this recommendation with my specific cam, which was unknown to me until it was too late. Racing costs money, that's true. I enjoy it enough, however, to spend that money obviously. I'm really not sure what else to tell you there. With regards to tech expertise, I've sought advice from dozens of well informed people that I haven't mentioned here, with regard to this specific project. I've built auto engines in the past, but never a modular motor. The Paxton install was easy breezy and not beyond my capability, by any means. I work as the director of operations for a natural gas fired power plant. I've been an industrial mechanic since I was 19 years old. I'm about to begin a complete top end on a 20 cylinder, carbureted, Austrian built, ABB-turbocharged, green machine that's the size of your garage. I know engines and I know them well. What else is it that we're discussing here again? I'd prefer to stay on topic, because those interested in a forged stroker build aren't going to get much tech insight reading any of these kinds of posts, this one included. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted January 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 ^Here are the mistakes that have been made: -choosing the wrong machine shop to begin with which killed several weeks -choosing MMR to purchase the Manley stroker kit from (MMR is well regarded by many, and less regarded by others) What else are you referring to, especially with regards to my engineering experience? I've had a series of misfortunes with some well reputed shops. I've moved on. Would you mind giving it a shot too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical08 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Ok I will behave. Back to the MMR Stoker Build story. You won't see it in my profile but I'm 50, have 35 years experience in power plant maintenance and operations, boiler, diesel and gas turbines, B&W, GE etc, retired 30 years US Navy Engineering and currently plan all maintenance and repairs for the power plant here in Jax Florida. Our boilers pump out over 900,000lb/hr and generators at over 50mw each. I've owned and built over 15 Mustangs and recently sold my 67GT Fastback (mint) to a person in France. Also got rid of my built C6 Vette last year and concentrated on the Shelby and Harley. I know a couple things about the Stang and what works on a Ford which is totally different than a Chevy. :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted January 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Ok I will behave. Back to the MMR Stoker Build story. :happy feet: I knew ya had it in ya old buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT/SC#0471 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Ok I will behave. Back to the MMR Stoker Build story. You won't see it in my profile but I'm 50, have 35 years experience in power plant maintenance and operations, boiler, diesel and gas turbines, B&W, GE etc, retired 30 years US Navy Engineering and currently plan all maintenance and repairs for the power plant here in Jax Florida. Our boilers pump out over 900,000lb/hr and generators at over 50mw each. I've owned and built over 15 Mustangs and recently sold my 67GT Fastback (mint) to a person in France. Also got rid of my built C6 Vette last year and concentrated on the Shelby and Harley. I know a couple things about the Stang and what works on a Ford which is totally different than a Chevy. Ok so tell me you have a Shovelhead (which BTW scientific studies have reavealed that 99 percent of all strippers prefer) and then I will be REALLY impressed...wrench on my Shelby brothers, no sense bickering. Ken I enjoy your posts a lot and any moral support I can give, you got. 08 I think that no matter our individual expertise at wrenching we ALL have had issues with wrenching sometimes... I had a very experienced friend call me up one day to borrow my eyes as his newly, and very very nicely rebuilt and modified Landcruiser engine install would not fire up on the initial start up, he is very meticilious... Took me 2 minutes...out of gas in the tank. Obvious but it really happened. I still nail him with that when he gets too cocky... Anyway, not getting into it with anyone 08 just adding my opinion, I have met Ken in person he is like all the other Shelby folks I have met a great guy and he will get that car up and running sweet you can bet on it. Cheers and wrench on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical08 Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 No shovelhead just an 09 Fatbob. I do have a pole dancer on my antennae I got from Korupt Kittens. Someone in here had one and I thought it was funny. Gets all sorts of looks especially from old ladies at the stop light. Ok so tell me you have a Shovelhead (which BTW scientific studies have reavealed that 99 percent of all strippers prefer) and then I will be REALLY impressed...wrench on my Shelby brothers, no sense bickering. Ken I enjoy your posts a lot and any moral support I can give, you got. 08 I think that no matter our individual expertise at wrenching we ALL have had issues with wrenching sometimes... I had a very experienced friend call me up one day to borrow my eyes as his newly, and very very nicely rebuilt and modified Landcruiser engine install would not fire up on the initial start up, he is very meticilious... Took me 2 minutes...out of gas in the tank. Obvious but it really happened. I still nail him with that when he gets too cocky... Anyway, not getting into it with anyone 08 just adding my opinion, I have met Ken in person he is like all the other Shelby folks I have met a great guy and he will get that car up and running sweet you can bet on it. Cheers and wrench on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted January 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Round 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dans07SGT Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Damn that's sweet Ken. I think I would order 9 just to have one for the coffee table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted January 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 I've got plenty of paper weights laying around as it is Dan! If you need an OEM FoMoCo piston-coaster let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT/SC#0471 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 No shovelhead just an 09 Fatbob. I do have a pole dancer on my antennae I got from Korupt Kittens. Someone in here had one and I thought it was funny. Gets all sorts of looks especially from old ladies at the stop light. Shovelheads get the young ladies at the stoplights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500-07 Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 Shovelheads get the young ladies at the stoplights... Knuckle head Flat head Pan head they all work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtup1 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I knew ya had it in ya old buddy Ken we have never met, but I am so glad that whole thing is over for all of us. Kind of seemed like a waste of time and post space but Oh well. I have been following your build from the beginning and appreciate your honesty and transparency with the issues of the build. I plan a project in the next year and you and your ordeals have been a wealth of information and caution for me. Keep posting my friend and good luck. I am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowLands Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 <<<<<<Stock engine/transmission/3.31 rear end with a pair of 53mm Garrett GT2871R's. Corvettes are no problem. Ken....I really hope this thing works out for you, man. I also hope EVERYONE has seen the light when it comes to MMR. They really do suck. Just an FYI....not trying to blow my own horn but I do sell the following stuff if you guys need help: ModMax Probe/Coast High Performance American Racing Headers Team Performance Turbo Systems Oakley Products You don't have to go to people like MMR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted January 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Ken we have never met, but I am so glad that whole thing is over for all of us. Kind of seemed like a waste of time and post space but Oh well. I have been following your build from the beginning and appreciate your honesty and transparency with the issues of the build. I plan a project in the next year and you and your ordeals have been a wealth of information and caution for me. Keep posting my friend and good luck. I am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel for you. Thanks a lot man. I appreciate the kind words. I've got the thing on track now and the only thing slowing me down is how quickly I can pay for the rest of it. I'm shooting for the end of next month. <<<<<<Stock engine/transmission/3.31 rear end with a pair of 53mm Garrett GT2871R's. Corvettes are no problem. Ken....I really hope this thing works out for you, man. I also hope EVERYONE has seen the light when it comes to MMR. They really do suck. Just an FYI....not trying to blow my own horn but I do sell the following stuff if you guys need help: ModMax Probe/Coast High Performance American Racing Headers Team Performance Turbo Systems Oakley Products You don't have to go to people like MMR. Thanks for the heads up SD. I'll definitely keep you in mind from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Knuckle head Flat head Pan head they all work How about Jarheards? :unsure: Ken, so where did those Manley's come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted January 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 ^MMR - after a little persuasion and a whole lot of patience, they finally came through with the correct parts (and a full refund on the incorrect parts). Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 The block machining and balancing were completed Friday. The short block assembly ought to get going Monday and be done by the end of the week. My MMR-SVT oil pump arrived from TSS with it's new billet gears installed. I'll get a pic up of it shortly. I'll also snag some pics of the engine as it's progressing when I drop the oil pump off this coming week. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted January 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 This oil pump has now been stamped by FoMoCo, SVT, MMR, and TSS. I'm dropping it off with the builder Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 This oil pump has now been stamped by FoMoCo, SVT, MMR, and TSS. I'm dropping it off with the builder Monday. nice i hope no one will ever have to figure out who to buy replacement parts from. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted February 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 I've been called off by the assembler 3 days in a row. I'm now being told to drive the pump down Friday and to expect the short block to be complete by then. All I've gotten are these photos sent via cell text today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT/SC#0471 Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 Progress dude! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowLands Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Sheeesh....should have had Shelby sign the damn pump too. Seems like everyone else signed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 nice to see some progress i was starting to wonder what was going on ken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 BAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dans07SGT Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Nice! Good to see it going together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkGT500nCA Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Sweet! I bet you're excited. Are you doing the rest of the build yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted February 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 ^Heads are out getting port/polish, oversized valves, etc. I pick the short block up Sunday before the game, then just waiting on the heads and I'll slap everything back together. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 hells yeah ken i cant wait to see it and hear it you better video it when its done. we have been waiting to long to see it done for you not to hook us up with some youtubage. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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