Grabber Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 The Jan 2007 issue of Motor Trend has an interesting article on the Bullit and the Boss. It also has some info. that Chevy and Dodge are having troubles keeping their prices down to compete with our Mustang. They confirm what we have been hearing about 1000 Boss units being made with the 5.0 Hurricane Motor and that all GT's in 2008 will have that motor. They go on to say that the mustang is getting a major face lift in 2008 on every exterior panel to be changed and updated with the base GT's getting a more aggressive look similar to that of the GT500, and the GT500 will even become more extreme looking. They also go on to say an all new 2010 Mustang is Due a year after the Camero and Challenger launch. Get it, it is a fun read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90GT Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 The Jan 2007 issue of Motor Trend has an interesting article on the Bullit and the Boss. It also has some info. that Chevy and Dodge are having troubles keeping their prices down to compete with our Mustang. They confirm what we have been hearing about 1000 Boss units being made with the 5.0 Hurricane Motor and that all GT's in 2008 will have that motor. They go on to say that the mustang is getting a major face lift in 2008 on every exterior panel to be changed and updated with the base GT's getting a more aggressive look similar to that of the GT500, and the GT500 will even become more extreme looking. They also go on to say an all new 2010 Mustang is Due a year after the Camero and Challenger launch. Get it, it is a fun read. Yup, got that issue the other day. What I don't understand is why only make 1000 units of the Boss??? Make enough of the car so that every one that wants one can get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsabldvt Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 I heard that 25000 employees took the early retirement offer. Maybe they won't have the manpower to make more than a limited #. It will take time to retrain new hires if they even hire. They said they needed to streamline to save money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted December 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Yup, got that issue the other day. What I don't understand is why only make 1000 units of the Boss??? Make enough of the car so that every one that wants one can get one. I agree. It is too bad because with all the hype on only 1000 Boss units being made, the price will be out of reach for most. At least that 5.0 motor will be standard in all GT's after that point. That is great news you must admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timtnt Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 I also received the latest issue of Motor Trend the other day. To me, this article makes no sense at all. First of all, the headline says that Ford is bringing out two more Mustang models for 2007??? I was under the impression that Ford made a Press announcment several months ago stating that the Bullitt was going to be a 2008 model, and after SEMA, an announcment was made that the 5.0 liter would replace the 4.6 in 2008, and the Boss version would follow in 2009, not a Boss Mustang in 2007???? If that were true, people wanting these Shelby GT's and GT 500 versions would be going ape s_ _ t! I'm starting to think that most of these auto magazines are turning into nothing more than the automotive equivalent of National Enquirer. The two photos that were used in this article were old. The Bullitt car was a yellow 2006 GT painted green from a comparison article in MT in early 2006. The picture of the grabber orange Boss is computer generated. I'm not saying that I'm correct, but I can't believe that in addition to the GT, the Shelby GT and the GT 500, Ford is going to make a Bullitt AND a Boss. If they do, it's going to be saturation city! I also can't believe that they will make only 1000 Boss Mustangs unless they're plan to get out of debt is to auction them off on the front steps in Dearborn to the highest bidders, pay off the bank and call it quits. That's my opinion, Thankyaverimush. P.S. I also heard that ford only intends to build as many pink mustangs as there are mary kay franchises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 I think what Motor Trend is trying to say is that the cars will come out in the calendar year 2007 (likely 4th quarter), but they forgot to mention that would make them 2008's. Much like 2007 GT500's started arriving in 2006 several months ago. 2008.5 Bullitt production starts in December 2007 according to a friend I have within Ford Motor Company. And, I probably heard him wrong, but the 5.0L "Boss" crate motor that will be available over the parts counter this year is not the same architecture as the upcoming "Hurricane" motors that are due out in production F150's next year, then Mustangs the following year. The "Hurricane" motor that will go into the 2009 Boss Mustang is not the same engine as the 5.0L "Boss" crate motor, and my source within Ford said the "Hurricane" engine will come in two displacements: 5.8L and 6.4L. No mention of a smaller 5.0L "Hurricane" engine, so now I'm confused as to which motor will end up in the 2009 Boss Mustang and what size it will be. I know he reads these forums, but he never posts, so maybe he can call or email me to straighten me out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moabman Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Hey Five Oh B Did I read somewhere that your dealership got the first Ford GT? I know - highjack thread city, but I just had to ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Hey Five Oh B Did I read somewhere that your dealership got the first Ford GT? I know - highjack thread city, but I just had to ask Yes, I am the SVT Team Leader at the Ford dealership that delivered the very first Ford GT a couple years ago to Jon Shirley. Click here to read the story. The lady in red in the very top picture of that article is my wife. I'm not in any of the pictures, as Ford paid me to run around and shoot pictures of the delivery along with the press that was present to cover the news of this delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moabman Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Thanks for the information and the link. I remember watching a short show on TV in the early 60's documenting Phil Hill and his campaign with the GT 40 in it's inaugural year. He didn't win and the car was plagued with suspension and gearbox troubles. I followed the multi-year campaign with all of the Mk derivations and then read about some lucky people who bought the retired or unsed race cars and drove them on the street. I never dreamed that in 40 years, Ford would build such a close replica and sell it to those lucky few. It still looks just as modern and awesome as it did when I first saw it in the show. I think with a little tweaking it is also almost as fast as the 60's race version - amazing. BTW, aren't you in the video at the end where Mr. Shirley drives away? Your wife leans over to say something to a man with a tie that is taking pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 BTW, aren't you in the video at the end where Mr. Shirley drives away? Your wife leans over to say something to a man with a tie that is taking pictures. Yep, that's me in the tie taking pictures. The funny thing is that Ford forgot to send their own photographer to capture history in the making, but they saw me with my own digital camera shooting a million pictures, so they asked if I would send them all to them (those would be any pictures credited to "Ford Motor Co" in the article. Interestingly, Jon Shirley paid MSRP for his car, and only paid sales tax on MSRP. The additional $400K went to auction as his bid to get the first GT, so he did not have to pay any tax on the charitable amount. We received two more 2005 GT's, both of which were sold for $175K and a 2006 GT which was sold for a little less. The 2006 is a daily driver car - many thousands of miles on it already - and was wrecked several months ago when the car's owner loaned it out to a relative who couldn't contain the power. We rebuilt the car with factory CAD files, weeks and weeks of labor, and over $40K just in parts. It's a daily driver again, although I'm guessing the car's owner isn't loaning it out any more. The whole GT program was incredible. When I was a little kid I marveled at the GT40's and Porsche 917's of the time. Saw a few of each on the street in the early 1970's and dreamed of owning each some day. Like so many others, on my modest budget, the Mustang is the closest thing I can afford, so to that end the GT is certainly a great halo car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moabman Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 ...Like so many others, on my modest budget, the Mustang is the closest thing I can afford, so to that end the GT is certainly a great halo car. I understand that completely. My Mustang should be rolling off the line just about now. I hope it's here just in time for Christmas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangFanatic Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 My $.02 on the MT article is that it is mostly speculation and conjecture based around a few keys facts. FACT # 1: Mark Fields indicated the Bullitt will be back in MY '08 (likely available in the later half of calendar year 2007). We don't yet have any information on what engine will be under the hood or what upgrades the car will have over the Mustang GT. We don't even know yet if the Bullitt is a separate model or an option package on the Mustang GT. From what little I have seen written about the Bullitt, I suspect it will replace the GT/CS package on the Mustang GT in MY '08 but again that is total supposition on my part. FACT # 2: Ford PLANS to produce a Boss Mustang at some point. Currently, it doesn't appear the Boss will return in MY '08 and could debut in MY '09 (again, available in the later half of calendar year 2008 as a '09 model). Engine choice will likely be the new Boss engine series (aka Hurricane) addressed briefly in the SEMA show press release. This new engine series will debut in the F-series trucks in '08 with other applications coming on line later. At this point, engine size for a Boss Mustang is still unclear. Purists such as myself, would love to see Ford offer a 5.0L Boss Mustang in '09 but the likely size will be something larger based on the limited data available about the upcoming Boss engine series. If I could create the perfect scenario, I would have Ford produce two Boss Mustangs just like back in the '60's. A Boss 302 Mustang with a 5.0L Boss engine and road race inspired chassis and brakes. A second “big” Boss sporting either a 351 (5.8L) or 429 (7.0L) could be the next offering from SVT to replace the GT500. Again, that's an ideal state and not grounded in fact. Further, I don't think Ford will replace the mod motor with the new Boss engine series immediately in the Mustang. My guess would be the current mod engine will continue as the base engine for the Mustang GT for at least 2 or 3 more model years. FACT # 3: The Boss "crate" engine program is a totally separate (albeit confusing) program offered by Ford Racing targeted at the aftermarket and racing crowd sporting a strengthened and improved block design based on the venerable OHV small block Ford architecture. From what I can tell the Boss crate engine program reflects a new block and a few other bits and pieces coupled with existing cylinder heads, etc. to create a "new" crate engine program. The Boss nomenclature was used just to evoke a stronger sense of Ford brand identity (and attempt to combat the success of the Hemi revival) and involved repackaging existing pieces with new hardware into a more cohesive package. I believe the Boss "crate" engines will be available from FRPP in early 2007 (if not already). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 My $.02 on the MT article is that it is mostly speculation and conjecture based around a few keys facts. FACT # 1: Mark Fields indicated the Bullitt will be back in MY '08 (likely available in the later half of calendar year 2007). We don't yet have any information on what engine will be under the hood or what upgrades the car will have over the Mustang GT. We don't even know yet if the Bullitt is a separate model or an option package on the Mustang GT. From what little I have seen written about the Bullitt, I suspect it will replace the GT/CS package on the Mustang GT in MY '08 but again that is total supposition on my part. 2008.5 Bullitt production begins in December 2007. It will use the 4.6L 3V SOHC V8. It is currently rated at 300hp in 2005-7 Mustang GT or 2007 GT/CS trim, 319hp in Shelby GT trim, and 310hp in 2008.5 Bullitt trim. I agree with you that it would appear that the Bullitt will likely be a T82 (body code for 2005-7 Mustang GT, GT/CS, and Shelby GT coupes), so my money is on the Bullitt being an option on the GT model. The 2007 GT/CS is a one-year-only program, so the 2008.5 Bullitt will just be next year's special edition Mustang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangFanatic Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 B)--> QUOTE(Five Oh B @ Dec 7 2006, 04:02 PM) 71828[/snapback] 2008.5 Bullitt production begins in December 2007. It will use the 4.6L 3V SOHC V8. It is currently rated at 300hp in 2005-7 Mustang GT or 2007 GT/CS trim, 319hp in Shelby GT trim, and 310hp in 2008.5 Bullitt trim. I agree with you that it would appear that the Bullitt will likely be a T82 (body code for 2005-7 Mustang GT, GT/CS, and Shelby GT coupes), so my money is on the Bullitt being an option on the GT model. The 2007 GT/CS is a one-year-only program, so the 2008.5 Bullitt will just be next year's special edition Mustang. Excellent information and the most definitive yet I've heard on the Bullitt!! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC_Shelby Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 B)--> QUOTE(Five Oh B @ Dec 7 2006, 01:02 PM) 71828[/snapback] 2008.5 Bullitt production begins in December 2007. It will use the 4.6L 3V SOHC V8. It is currently rated at 300hp in 2005-7 Mustang GT or 2007 GT/CS trim, 319hp in Shelby GT trim, and 310hp in 2008.5 Bullitt trim. I agree with you that it would appear that the Bullitt will likely be a T82 (body code for 2005-7 Mustang GT, GT/CS, and Shelby GT coupes), so my money is on the Bullitt being an option on the GT model. The 2007 GT/CS is a one-year-only program, so the 2008.5 Bullitt will just be next year's special edition Mustang. Assuming a 5 to 8% underrating on Ford's Mustang V8s (which is typical), then at an "official" rating of 310 HP, the Bullitt will actually kick out about 325 HP - which should be easily upped to 350 with a CAI and pro tune. If they do the suspension work, which this article from yesterday's Mississippi Clarion Ledger seems to suggest, then it may be a respectable performer. Quote from the article >> Speaking in Jackson on Wednesday, Ford Motor Co. Vehicle Program Director Jeff Wood said a different Mustang package will be unveiled each year until 2010. A Bullitt edition Mustang likely would combine a 310-plus horsepower V8 with a lowered suspension, special interior and gauge design and an exclusive wheel design. Bullitt refers to the 1968 film Bullitt in which Steve McQueen drove a dark green Mustang fastback. Ford sold a Bullitt version of the previous-generation Mustang in 2001. It shed the plastic wing and ground effects add-ons common to special-edition Mustangs in favor of signature dark green paint, retro-style gauges and seats as well as a polished steel fuel door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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