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but I've recently become aware that the Novi's are no longer 50 state legal, thus mine is dust. Living in California we face a little more adversity then some of you that live in states that don't have such limiting emissions laws.

 

1) Now Roush and Whipple both claim a 50 state legal superchargers, roots style and twin screw.

2) Roush suggests the stock airbox OR one of their kits of course for their "tune" to work

2) Neither claim to have room for the strut tower brace on the SGT

3) Both claim to function best on a tune that you send your PCM in to have them do. (no handheld needed)

 

so i was wondering if anyone had some feedback on either of these power adders.

 

Whipple

-im not sure if i trust the "adaptive tune" that Steeda reflashes your PCM to. However Steeda knows the SGT better than Roush im sure.

-im assuming the Steeda Whipple Kit has to be purchased from them to get this "adaptive tune"

 

Roushcharger doesnt seem like a good idea for reasons we all know. Especially to a Shelby Enthusiaist.

-Roush claims the same thing, they say to overnight your PCM and they reprogram it, should this be trusted?

-im assuming you have to buy the kit from them to get this tune as well

 

Vortech

my mechanic/tuning shop is highly recommending the Vortech Kit. And i trust them so i might just go with the Vortech to be honest.

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:lurk: waiting for the obvious...

 

You won't find much enthusiam on here for putting a Roush on your SGT. It's right up there with putting a Cobra emblem on a V6.

 

 

Both are great systems, but Whipple is going to be the fan favorite here.

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i know, it's just terrible living in California and trying to pass smog though. And my options are so much more limited with power adders. Im really thinking about the Vortech or Whipple but i just wanted to hear what everyone had to say about all three.

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i know, it's just terrible living in California and trying to pass smog though. And my options are so much more limited with power adders. Im really thinking about the Vortech or Whipple but i just wanted to hear what everyone had to say about all three.

You won't have any issue passing smog with a Paxton. It's simply lacking a federal EO, which will be resolved shortly with the release of the '10.

Once the Paxton gets the EO for the 2010, the 07-09 will be retro'ed in.

 

Ken

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You won't have any issue passing smog with a Paxton. It's simply lacking a federal EO, which will be resolved shortly with the release of the '10.

Once the Paxton gets the EO for the 2010, the 07-09 will be retro'ed in.

 

Ken

 

you sure Vortech wants to pay that money to keep the Paxton legal?

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you sure Vortech wants to pay that money to keep the Paxton legal?

 

 

well i just got a call back from Advanced Engine Development to tell me that the post 07' Vortech Kit is no longer 50 state legal either. So im with my original whipple plan i guess.

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well i just got a call back from Advanced Engine Development to tell me that the post 07' Vortech Kit is no longer 50 state legal either. So im with my original whipple plan i guess.

#@$%^&* :censored: tree huggers!

 

I thought CA was the car enthusiasts capital of the world. How did you guys get to where you are with the environmental laws.

 

What is a hot rodder to do??? :cry:

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#@$%^&* :censored: tree huggers!

 

I thought CA was the car enthusiasts capital of the world. How did you guys get to where you are with the environmental laws.

 

What is a hot rodder to do??? :cry:

Hell I put the dirtiest stage 2 cams in that I could find, have an 'illegal' blower on the way, and plans for heads and off road long tubes! :happy feet:

It's all about who you know and whether they run a smog shop. :hysterical:

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i know, it's just terrible living in California and trying to pass smog though. And my options are so much more limited with power adders. Im really thinking about the Vortech or Whipple but i just wanted to hear what everyone had to say about all three.

Have your installer do a custom tune for emissions. When its time to go in, load the emissions tune, when you get home reload your regular tune. I know guys that do this with their twin-turbo set up and I don't think our emission standards are much lower than California. In Washington we don't have to go through emission's for the first five years. I would talk to your install guy and see if he can pull this off, before you buy a SC.

 

Hope this helps.

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Have your installer do a custom tune for emissions. When its time to go in, load the emissions tune, when you get home reload your regular tune. I know guys that do this with their twin-turbo set up and I don't think our emission standards are much lower than California. In Washington we don't have to go through emission's for the first five years. I would talk to your install guy and see if he can pull this off, before you buy a SC.

 

Hope this helps.

The regulations in WA are extremely similar to CA. Also, we have 5 years before the first smog test. You raise a good point. A custom tune will actually cause a car to fail a whole lot quicker than adding a supercharger will.

They're not measuring HP to the ground, they're measuring the emissions from the tailpipe (CO, NOx, SO2, etc). Running the stock Paxton tune would cause zero issue at the smog station. Running a custom race tune, however, even on an NA car, is a much bigger source of problems in this scenario.

 

Ken

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The regulations in WA are extremely similar to CA. Also, we have 5 years before the first smog test. You raise a good point. A custom tune will actually cause a car to fail a whole lot quicker than adding a supercharger will.

They're not measuring HP to the ground, they're measuring the emissions from the tailpipe (CO, NOx, SO2, etc). Running the stock Paxton tune would cause zero issue at the smog station. Running a custom race tune, however, even on an NA car, is a much bigger source of problems in this scenario.

 

Ken

 

 

As I understand it here in washington on the new cars they are just plugging in to the OBDII port to get all the information they need. Not sure what they are looking for but they don't even stuff the wand in the tailpipe anymore.

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They may also look for the sticker you are supposed to display in the engine compartment that has the C.A.R.B. approval number on it for the supercharger. However, like Kahmann said, it's who you know.... :happy feet:

 

Whipple is the only one with the sticker as far as i know too. When I was in LA the cops ALWAYS checked under the hoods. I'm not sure if they do that up here in Norcal. But I'm afraid I would like the CARB sticker/badge/engraving.

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Whipple is the only one with the sticker as far as i know too. When I was in LA the cops ALWAYS checked under the hoods. I'm not sure if they do that up here in Norcal. But I'm afraid I would like the CARB sticker/badge/engraving.

I've had one cop look under the hood...of my wife's COROLLA! He pulled her over and asked whether there were any illegal modifications or whether she raced it. :hysterical:

He poked around and pointed to the strut tower brace (calling it a sway bar) and mentioned that he was fairly sure that was an OK mod. He pointed to the cold air intake and wasn't so sure on that one. He called it a superturbo. :headscratch:

After being hassled for 1/2 hour by this doofus plus another cop on bicycle, they gave her a ticket for illegal window tint and sent her on her way. I've lived from LA to Seattle and never known anyone else in my life that's ever had a cop look under the hood of a car for any reason. Good luck on the Whipple.

 

Ken

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I've had one cop look under the hood...of my wife's COROLLA! He pulled her over and asked whether there were any illegal modifications or whether she raced it. :hysterical:

He poked around and pointed to the strut tower brace (calling it a sway bar) and mentioned that he was fairly sure that was an OK mod. He pointed to the cold air intake and wasn't so sure on that one. He called it a superturbo. :headscratch:

After being hassled for 1/2 hour by this doofus plus another cop on bicycle, they gave her a ticket for illegal window tint and sent her on her way. I've lived from LA to Seattle and never known anyone else in my life that's ever had a cop look under the hood of a car for any reason. Good luck on the Whipple.

 

Ken

Ken I have had two CHP stop me for no reason other than to check out my Shelby. I new that I was not going to get a ticket because when they got out of there car they didn't have there ticket book. They both had me open my hood and they saw my paxton and said how much they like it and ask about the HP and didn't say a word about no front license plate.

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I am 200% satisfied with my Whipple...love it, makes for one nasty car...

 

I have no tip offs on whats under there, as I am running stock wheels and tires and no gauges...hehe sneaky until it goes.....

 

 

zzzzwwwwwwwwweeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrppppppppppp....

 

and by then you are gone. :hysterical:

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I've had one cop look under the hood...of my wife's COROLLA! He pulled her over and asked whether there were any illegal modifications or whether she raced it. :hysterical:

He poked around and pointed to the strut tower brace (calling it a sway bar) and mentioned that he was fairly sure that was an OK mod. He pointed to the cold air intake and wasn't so sure on that one. He called it a superturbo. :headscratch:

After being hassled for 1/2 hour by this doofus plus another cop on bicycle, they gave her a ticket for illegal window tint and sent her on her way. I've lived from LA to Seattle and never known anyone else in my life that's ever had a cop look under the hood of a car for any reason. Good luck on the Whipple.

 

Ken

 

 

ahhahahhahaha "Superturbo" I've never laughed out loud so hard at reading something.

 

In Riverside, CA a CHP checked under the the hood of my friends 350Z and saw it had the nismo version of the motor. It had no markings that an untrained eye would've been able to spot and the CHP had his car impounded immediately. It was ridiculous. We weren't even driving. We were in a parking lot speaking with some friends.

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Ever consider the Edelbrock? I just had it installed and I'm thrilled. 50 state legal and Edelbrock is in CA. Just a thought, good luck either way!

 

Whipple is the only one with the sticker as far as i know too. When I was in LA the cops ALWAYS checked under the hoods. I'm not sure if they do that up here in Norcal. But I'm afraid I would like the CARB sticker/badge/engraving.

 

The Edelbrock also has this sticker.

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You can thank the "fast and furious" types for the zero tolerance under hood inspections in California. Since late 2007, 1,000's of cars have been taken off the road and impounded by local law enforcement and the C.H.P. for suspicious engines and/or non compliant engine components.

 

In addition to California law enforcement's zero tolerance policy mandated to catch non-compliant cars, next year, all smog testing stations will be reqiured to take and file multiple digital photographs of your car's engine comparment, exhaust system, license plate, and VIN.

 

The photographs will be on file in Sacremento and accessible to all law enforcement agencies throughout Calfornia. The photographs will also be used to combat and prosecute smog inspectors that illegally pass non-compliant cars by overlooking non E.O. parts and by sniffing the tail pipe of another car that's compliant.

 

Party while you can my California neighbors and Shelby brothers, but I have been put on advance notice by three of my, uh, licensed "Smog Men" and friends that the end is near and they can't risk playing anymore. They tell me that the photographs were the last nail in the coffin.

 

:cry:

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You can thank the "fast and furious" types for the zero tolerance under hood inspections in California. Since late 2007, 1,000's of cars have been taken off the road and impounded by local law enforcement and the C.H.P. for suspicious engines and/or non compliant engine components.

 

In addition to California law enforcement's zero tolerance policy mandated to catch non-compliant cars, next year, all smog testing stations will be reqiured to take and file multiple digital photographs of your car's engine comparment, exhaust system, license plate, and VIN.

 

The photographs will be on file in Sacremento and accessible to all law enforcement agencies throughout Calfornia. The photographs will also be used to combat and prosecute smog inspectors that illegally pass non-compliant cars by overlooking non E.O. parts and by sniffing the tail pipe of another car that's compliant.

 

Party while you can my California neighbors and Shelby brothers, but I have been put on advance notice by three of my, uh, licensed "Smog Men" and friends that the end is near and they can't risk playing anymore. They tell me that the photographs were the last nail in the coffin.

 

:cry:

 

Time to relocate to North Carolina, in fact I might just recommend Shelby NC ....

 

Take Care

Andrew

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You can thank the "fast and furious" types for the zero tolerance under hood inspections in California. Since late 2007, 1,000's of cars have been taken off the road and impounded by local law enforcement and the C.H.P. for suspicious engines and/or non compliant engine components.

 

In addition to California law enforcement's zero tolerance policy mandated to catch non-compliant cars, next year, all smog testing stations will be reqiured to take and file multiple digital photographs of your car's engine comparment, exhaust system, license plate, and VIN.

 

The photographs will be on file in Sacremento and accessible to all law enforcement agencies throughout Calfornia. The photographs will also be used to combat and prosecute smog inspectors that illegally pass non-compliant cars by overlooking non E.O. parts and by sniffing the tail pipe of another car that's compliant.

 

Party while you can my California neighbors and Shelby brothers, but I have been put on advance notice by three of my, uh, licensed "Smog Men" and friends that the end is near and they can't risk playing anymore. They tell me that the photographs were the last nail in the coffin.

 

:cry:

 

Leave that Socialist state and come to Texas where, at least, we still have some freedom.

 

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Ever consider the Edelbrock? I just had it installed and I'm thrilled. 50 state legal and Edelbrock is in CA. Just a thought, good luck either way!

 

 

 

The Edelbrock also has this sticker.

 

how much did the edelbrock kit run? i wasnt aware they made one actually. and for it to be 50 state legal. Just another option to look into. The Whipple is going to cost me an arm and a leg from the looks of things.

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http://www.americanmuscle.com/edelbrock-sc...medium=Shopping

 

The E-Force isn't real cheap either and puts less power to the ground than the Whipple. However, it runs a great power/boost ratio (high power compared to relatively low boost). My favorite blower is the Techco. I like the Paxton next and went with it because it's 1/2 the cost. #3 on my list is the E-Force.

 

Ken

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You can thank the "fast and furious" types for the zero tolerance under hood inspections in California. Since late 2007, 1,000's of cars have been taken off the road and impounded by local law enforcement and the C.H.P. for suspicious engines and/or non compliant engine components.

 

In addition to California law enforcement's zero tolerance policy mandated to catch non-compliant cars, next year, all smog testing stations will be reqiured to take and file multiple digital photographs of your car's engine comparment, exhaust system, license plate, and VIN.

 

The photographs will be on file in Sacremento and accessible to all law enforcement agencies throughout Calfornia. The photographs will also be used to combat and prosecute smog inspectors that illegally pass non-compliant cars by overlooking non E.O. parts and by sniffing the tail pipe of another car that's compliant.

 

Party while you can my California neighbors and Shelby brothers, but I have been put on advance notice by three of my, uh, licensed "Smog Men" and friends that the end is near and they can't risk playing anymore. They tell me that the photographs were the last nail in the coffin.

 

:cry:

Now CA and its representatives are trying to get the rest of the country to follow them. A bankrupt state!

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how much did the edelbrock kit run? i wasnt aware they made one actually. and for it to be 50 state legal. Just another option to look into. The Whipple is going to cost me an arm and a leg from the looks of things.

 

People are selling them for $5,795.00. I found a "buy it now or best offer" and made a best offer for $400 less and won.

 

As far as it putting less power than the Whipple, the 550hp kit is $6,500+, add a 3.5 or 3.25 pulley to the Edelbrock and injector's and you are talking the same HP. Or just call JDM, they have the competition kit for sale now for $6,399.00. That was my plan until we talked driving distance and JDM said Powerhouse was 2 hours from my doorstep. If you want the latest in Supercharger design, I'd recommend the Edelbrock, but as many people told me before hand, no matter what supercharger you get, you will be thrilled with the increase in performance. Good luck!

 

http://www.s197.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16616

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