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Obama heath care from the womb to the grave. Check out what Dick Morris had to say about it.We new it was coming all along.

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Please tell me you don't get your Health Care policy advice from "Dick Morris"!

 

:hysterical:

 

You know the Dick Morris that on August 29, 1996 after,in the finest traditions of the Family Values Party, had to resign from the Clinton campaign after he was found involved with a prostitute and letting her listen in on conversations with the President. Seems money wasn't enough incentive to sleep with him. :hysterical3: Sorry! I thought that was funny!

 

Then of course there are his tax issues...while the little people pay their taxes Dick Morris has been labeled as one of the biggest tax delinquents in his home state of Connecticut, owing an estimated $280,000 in unpaid taxes and a total of $452,367 in unpaid taxes and fees. In 2003 the IRS filed a $1.5 million tax lien against him that's still outstanding.

 

But hey, I don't fault him, he's just out there, like so many other's, just trying to make a buck off all the right wing hysteria...that's cool...but he's for sure not any sort of expert on anything other than maybe tax evasion. :fool:

 

Nice Jeff, anyone who disagrees with you is a right wing wacco!

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Morris is right. If you look at what Obama has been doing from day one, it's like the first version of windows running on top of DOS. Our system of government is DOS and they are now layering windows on top. They are setting it up so the government controls everything. Government health care will be so subsidized that private insurance won't be able to compete and the government will be left as the only provider. They will try to subsidize GM cars to put Ford out of business leaving the government as the lone US automaker. They will subsidize some of the banks to try to put the others out of business. The Czar system is designed to basically give the executive branch all the power and usurp the power of congress. They are going to cook the books with the census to ensure extra congressional seats in the districts they choose so they can hold on to power. They are gaining control of the media, especially NBC, CNBC and MSNBC. They are about to work on hate crimes legislation that will grossly curtail your free speech rights as even some passages from the bible would violate the new laws. They are working on back door gun control. All the things they are doing fit together like puzzle pieces. Once everything is in place, DOS will go away leaving only the true windows operating system (socialism/facism) in it's place.

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Please tell me you don't get your Health Care policy advice from "Dick Morris"!

 

:hysterical:

 

You know the Dick Morris that on August 29, 1996 after,in the finest traditions of the Family Values Party, had to resign from the Clinton campaign after he was found involved with a prostitute and letting her listen in on conversations with the President. Seems money wasn't enough incentive to sleep with him. :hysterical3: Sorry! I thought that was funny!

 

Then of course there are his tax issues...while the little people pay their taxes Dick Morris has been labeled as one of the biggest tax delinquents in his home state of Connecticut, owing an estimated $280,000 in unpaid taxes and a total of $452,367 in unpaid taxes and fees. In 2003 the IRS filed a $1.5 million tax lien against him that's still outstanding.

 

But hey, I don't fault him, he's just out there, like so many other's, just trying to make a buck off all the right wing hysteria...that's cool...but he's for sure not any sort of expert on anything other than maybe tax evasion. :fool:

I guess that he learned well from the Democrats. :headscratch:

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I gave up on that when I started to come in here!

 

I came to the conclusion that to balance this area out I needed to lean farther left...then maybe it would settle in the center.

 

But that too has proved to be a futile effort...

 

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You know, I don't get how anyone can think that our healthcare system is just fine as it is. It is severely broken, yet some on the right have an apoplectic fit over the idea of it being fixed. This country has the capacity to set a system of healthcare unlike any other in the world. Unfortunately, politics from both sides will :censored: it up in a heartbeat.

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Agreed! Did you read the report that came out that the Insurance Industry has used techniques that have resulted in consumers paying more than a billion dollars out of pocket that should have been paid for under their plans the last few years? It hurts us all having millions going to Emergency Rooms for care and then sticking us with the bill. Something needs to be done but people start off in such extreme positions and then won't move. I don't know what will come of this and not sure what I fear more, that nothing will happen, or something will.

 

Since I already know what we have is jacked I'll take a chance on something else and if needed fix that till we get it right. To do nothing I think will lead us to BIG problems later and the consequences far worse.

 

 

Explain how by forcing everyone to get health insurance will bring health insurance cost down???? If anything I see that causing insurance cost to go up!

 

Now we will have everyone insuranced (which is a good thing) but that will cause more people flooding to get care which will add more cost to insurance companies.

 

Think about it. If one heart surgery cost $250k, how many insurance policies does it take for that one insurer to have just to break even on covering that one $250k claim? I see this problem multiplying increased cost in claims on the insurance companies, which would cause cost to go up, not down.

 

The problem I see is they are doing nothing to control illegals from being given free care, nothing to cap what juries can award in maqlpractice suits, nothing to regulate what drug companies, doctors, hospitals can charge by how much they can mark up their products and services over what their cost is!

 

Now if they put a stop to mandating doctors and hospitals from having to treat illegals without insurance, regulated the amounts of what juries can award AND go to a loser pays in lawsuit cases, regulated how much drug companies can gouge prices by, then THAT in itself alone would drastically reduce cost and make insurance more affordable. But the way they are doing this they are doing NOTHING about the real problem causing high healthcare costs and are only mandating everyone having to get insurance, along with having a government run insurance plan, which in itself WILL cause insurance companies to drop any healthcare coverage because they will not be able to compete with a government plan while all the real cost issues go unaddressed!

 

Yes? no?

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Agreed! Did you read the report that came out that the Insurance Industry has used techniques that have resulted in consumers paying more than a billion dollars out of pocket that should have been paid for under their plans the last few years? It hurts us all having millions going to Emergency Rooms for care and then sticking us with the bill. Something needs to be done but people start off in such extreme positions and then won't move. I don't know what will come of this and not sure what I fear more, that nothing will happen, or something will.

 

Since I already know what we have is jacked I'll take a chance on something else and if needed fix that till we get it right. To do nothing I think will lead us to BIG problems later and the consequences far worse.

I didn't read that report because I've lived how insurance companies screw both the patients out of benefits and doctors out of their fees. I've posted such examples in other threads, and it seems that many on this site just don't get it.

 

The "BIG problems" is an understatement, IMHO. They haven't seen anything yet!

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Shelbydude: I have never advocated treating illegals, but do you understand the concept of risk pools? Do you think hospitals just absorb the costs of treating the uninsured?

 

 

Why does a hospital charge $20 for one asprin? Or $300 a night for a bed in a room you share with someone else?

 

How can you justify $300 for a bed when you can get a nice room to yourself for under a $100 at a nice motel?

 

Things like that. Why are they gouging people like that?

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Why does a hospital charge $20 for one asprin? Or $300 a night for a bed in a room you share with someone else?

 

How can you justify $300 for a bed when you can get a nice room to yourself for under a $100 at a nice motel?

 

Things like that. Why are they gouging people like that?

Because they are required to treat the uninsured who're also unemployed. You can't get blood out of a turnip, so where do you get your money? They still have to pay for staff and supplies. They cannot bill that directly to another's insurance company, and they sure as hell are not writing it off becuse they'd still lose money. They increase their charges to offset the differences. The person that loses is the one who is uninsured, (or under-insured), and who are employed. They are the ones who get taken to court for the full monty.

 

Then there are the "agreements" made with insurance companies for the privledge of being accepted as one of their "in-plan" hospitals or doctors. You see the bill as is, but that sure as hell isn't what the insurance pays them. Same with the doctors, lab, imaging, etc. Then you have Medicare and Medicaid that pay less than a third of the charge, (if they pay at all). A $20,000 dialysis bill gets reimbursed $2,000. Tennessee's "Tenncare" program is notrious for claiming that they never received a bill until enough time is passed that they can deny the claim as untimely!

 

Insurance companies are out to make as much profit as they can, and they pull all sorts of shenanigans to keep from paying out the money that you send them each payday, or month, in premiums. I would like to see all of them go under because it serves them right.

 

What I don't want to see is government officials making healthcare decisions, and that's exactly where politicians on both sides of the asile will F things up. I have posted before how this could work to maintain patient care without driving costs up needlessly.

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Because they are required to treat the uninsured who're also unemployed. You can't get blood out of a turnip, so where do you get your money? They still have to pay for staff and supplies. They cannot bill that directly to another's insurance company, and they sure as hell are not writing it off becuse they'd still lose money. They increase their charges to offset the differences. The person that loses is the one who is uninsured, (or under-insured), and who are employed. They are the ones who get taken to court for the full monty.

 

Then there are the "agreements" made with insurance companies for the privledge of being accepted as one of their "in-plan" hospitals or doctors. You see the bill as is, but that sure as hell isn't what the insurance pays them. Same with the doctors, lab, imaging, etc. Then you have Medicare and Medicaid that pay less than a third of the charge, (if they pay at all). A $20,000 dialysis bill gets reimbursed $2,000. Tennessee's "Tenncare" program is notrious for claiming that they never received a bill until enough time is passed that they can deny the claim as untimely!

 

Insurance companies are out to make as much profit as they can, and they pull all sorts of shenanigans to keep from paying out the money that you send them each payday, or month, in premiums. I would like to see all of them go under because it serves them right.

 

What I don't want to see is government officials making healthcare decisions, and that's exactly where politicians on both sides of the asile will F things up. I have posted before how this could work to maintain patient care without driving costs up needlessly.

 

Interesting. This sounds just like socialized health care is already here, but the insurance company is the profiteer of the system. Why don't we just take the (fraud) insurance companies out of the system?

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Because they are required to treat the uninsured who're also unemployed. You can't get blood out of a turnip, so where do you get your money? They still have to pay for staff and supplies. They cannot bill that directly to another's insurance company, and they sure as hell are not writing it off becuse they'd still lose money. They increase their charges to offset the differences. The person that loses is the one who is uninsured, (or under-insured), and who are employed. They are the ones who get taken to court for the full monty.

 

Then there are the "agreements" made with insurance companies for the privledge of being accepted as one of their "in-plan" hospitals or doctors. You see the bill as is, but that sure as hell isn't what the insurance pays them. Same with the doctors, lab, imaging, etc. Then you have Medicare and Medicaid that pay less than a third of the charge, (if they pay at all). A $20,000 dialysis bill gets reimbursed $2,000. Tennessee's "Tenncare" program is notrious for claiming that they never received a bill until enough time is passed that they can deny the claim as untimely!

 

Insurance companies are out to make as much profit as they can, and they pull all sorts of shenanigans to keep from paying out the money that you send them each payday, or month, in premiums. I would like to see all of them go under because it serves them right.

 

What I don't want to see is government officials making healthcare decisions, and that's exactly where politicians on both sides of the asile will F things up. I have posted before how this could work to maintain patient care without driving costs up needlessly.

 

Which is exactly where this is going

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What do you base that on? There isn't even a proposal yet? We already have a failed system. Insurance companies are already ripping you off, coming between you and your doctor, rescission practices where if you get really sick in the first year of coverage and they can even hint that it was a pre-existing condition.

 

Have you watched any of the hearings? I have. Last week they had hearings on rescission practices and cancer patients that were left out in the cold with no insurance because they were diagnosed within the first year of coverage. It didn't matter if they passed all the tests to get the policy, didn't matter if they knew, didn't matter if they were or were not in a high risk group! If the insurance company could say that the cancer actually started before the policy date you were out of luck.

 

This has to be fixed! People's health should not be based upon the "profit motive" and I'm open to waiting to see what the Congress comes up with before I pass judgement.

 

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Found some of the testimony:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually, Obama himself. Honestly, I forget what he said but he talked about his grandmother and her hip replcement and how she shouldnt have gotten one, Some people would not receive care to improve thier lives if they didnt fit. Same thing with Hillary care.

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What do you base that on? There isn't even a proposal yet? We already have a failed system. Insurance companies are already ripping you off, coming between you and your doctor, rescission practices where if you get really sick in the first year of coverage and they can even hint that it was a pre-existing condition.

 

Have you watched any of the hearings? I have. Last week they had hearings on rescission practices and cancer patients that were left out in the cold with no insurance because they were diagnosed within the first year of coverage. It didn't matter if they passed all the tests to get the policy, didn't matter if they knew, didn't matter if they were or were not in a high risk group! If the insurance company could say that the cancer actually started before the policy date you were out of luck.

 

This has to be fixed! People's health should not be based upon the "profit motive" and I'm open to waiting to see what the Congress comes up with before I pass judgement.

 

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Found some of the testimony:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That would be a very simple fix! A simple law that prohibits insurance companies from doing that will fix that problem! If they except you they are on the hook and have to cover you! See how easy that is? Just need congress to write it and pass it!

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I agree, but that's just one of MANY MANY issues we have...smarter people than I, for how many years now, have been trying to fix the system with big insurance lobbyists fighting tooth and nail to prevent any real solutions.

 

As I said, I'll wait and see what, if anything comes out of all this, then we'll have something real to debate anything else is just the spinsters paid for by who knows who stirring things up preventing any real progress.

 

 

Outlaw lobbyists!

 

Expanding government is not a solution! That is already a proven disaster! This needs to be worked out in the private sector with maybe the exception of having some laws passed to protect people from being victimized by big insurance and drug companies!

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Outlaw lobbyists!

 

Expanding government is not a solution! That is already a proven disaster! This needs to be worked out in the private sector with maybe the exception of having some laws passed to protect people from being victimized by big insurance and drug companies!

You contradict yourself. Pass laws all you want, but they have to be enforced. That is an expansion of government into business. For every law that is passed against businesses, businesses employ teams of lawyers to discover how to circumvent said laws.

 

As I've said before, capitalism and healthcare shouldn't be mixed. Neither is in the best interest of the other.

 

Tim said that politicians making healthcare decision is where we're headed, and I say that's true only if we let them. The system should be set up with medical administrators, doctors, nurses, physical therapists, etc, making the protocols to follow. The decisions should remain between the doctor and the patient. Appointments to these positions that consider political beliefs should be outlawed, (just as they should be with judicial appointments, IMHO). Healthcare decisions made by healthcare professionals...imagine that!

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  • 3 weeks later...
As I've said before, capitalism and healthcare shouldn't be mixed. Neither is in the best interest of the other.

 

 

Any thoughts on the Wendell Potter interview last week? The former head of Public Relations for CIGNA?

 

 

 

 

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You contradict yourself. Pass laws all you want, but they have to be enforced. That is an expansion of government into business. For every law that is passed against businesses, businesses employ teams of lawyers to discover how to circumvent said laws.

 

As I've said before, capitalism and healthcare shouldn't be mixed. Neither is in the best interest of the other.

 

Tim said that politicians making healthcare decision is where we're headed, and I say that's true only if we let them. The system should be set up with medical administrators, doctors, nurses, physical therapists, etc, making the protocols to follow. The decisions should remain between the doctor and the patient. Appointments to these positions that consider political beliefs should be outlawed, (just as they should be with judicial appointments, IMHO). Healthcare decisions made by healthcare professionals...imagine that!

 

+1; well said

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