BLOWN Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 GOD ( Obama) has done it. Never thought that this would happen But with Obama in there anything can happen.Now some known terrorist who have killed Americans have been read there rights and when they go to court and when they R found not guilty will they be set free in America. check out this video. http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/22...w-show-6-10.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 I guess in Obama's mind they are no differerent than any other illegal immigrant in this country. He'll probably get them a cushy union job at GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69dejavue Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 That is because Obama considers terrorism a police or law enforcement issue, not a military response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 he certainly doesn't seem to be too concerned about THIS country or OUR people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Police have read suspects the Miranda Warning for many decades yet lawyers' number one complaint is that their clients still cannot keep their mouths shut. These people want to die as martyrs, and are proud of what they have done. The act of reading them their rights will change nothing. What concerns me is the administration's mindset towards the terrorists this action indicates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtkeith Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 What rights did terrorists give the people in the twin towers. Fugg them IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 What rights did terrorists give the people in the twin towers. Fugg them IMO. Absolutely and with no mercy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportscars Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Is America running out of common sense? Ok, seriously. Who in America doesn't already know their Mranda rights? It's on every TV show ever made almost. IMO, if your not American then the Miranda rights don't apply to you. If you are "fighting" America, then you are at war with us. When we find you we shoot you. The end. I gots an idea, maybe we could engrave the Miranda rights on every bullet issued to the military and law enforcemant. Well, no I didnt "read" it to him, but I did give him a "copy" of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Police have read suspects the Miranda Warning for many decades yet lawyers' number one complaint is that their clients still cannot keep their mouths shut. These people want to die as martyrs, and are proud of what they have done. The act of reading them their rights will change nothing. What concerns me is the administration's mindset towards the terrorists this action indicates. I agree about suspects shouting their mouths off even after their rights are read. These are suspects. Since when are suspects not afforded any rights? As a country, we have generally attempted to hold ourselves to a higher standard than many other countries. A strong sense of ethics and morality is one of our fundamental pillars - even when confronted with evil people or groups. Even though Miranda came much later than the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, the framers were a class act and Miranda was in some respects, the basis of their ideology. If we are a nation that first and foremost upheld our own laws rather than attempt to circumvent them for convenience, this wouldn't even be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportscars Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Everyone knows that you have the right to speak or to not speak. "Suspects" fail to control themselves. It is their own fault and no one elses. Hopefully it will lead to convictions in most cases. The problem is we are trying to hold foreigners to "our" laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawkpilot Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 These are suspects. Since when are suspects not afforded any rights? Not Suspects.........TERRORISTS Constitution/Bill of Rights are for..........AMERICANS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I agree about suspects shouting their mouths off even after their rights are read. These are suspects. Since when are suspects not afforded any rights? As a country, we have generally attempted to hold ourselves to a higher standard than many other countries. A strong sense of ethics and morality is one of our fundamental pillars - even when confronted with evil people or groups. Even though Miranda came much later than the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, the framers were a class act and Miranda was in some respects, the basis of their ideology. If we are a nation that first and foremost upheld our own laws rather than attempt to circumvent them for convenience, this wouldn't even be an issue. So, throughout history we should have read all prisoners of war miranda or similar rights? These are war prisoners, not local bank robbers, and different standards and rules apply with respect to the rights of war prisoners. One other funny thing...when Sarah Palin, during the campaigns, suggested that Obama might decide to read miranda rights to these prisoners, she was riduculed for the suggesting from Obama and his followers. Total flip flop now and suddenly its ok. All of these actions by Obama continue to make us look more and more weak and idiotic to the other world leaders. We're on a sinking ship at the moment and going backwards in progress on all fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69dejavue Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Not Suspects.........TERRORISTSConstitution/Bill of Rights are for..........AMERICANS Concur. Miranda Rights are to ensure a citizen's rights are not violated and that they receive due process in criminal proceedings. It does not apply to warfare. What is next, when a soldier/Marine is shot at you will have to use a PA system to advise the terrorist of their rights before returning fire? What if obama had BEEN president during Pearl Harbor. Would we have sent the FBI to Japan to track down the rogue pilots that bombed Pearl Harbor and extradited them for trial in this country. Don't laugh. There were those that supported that concept rather than war with Japan. Miranda Rights are for those that commit crimes in America or that have an effect on Americans. The Geneva and Hague conventions apply for warfare and treatment of prisoners, not US courts. Now for those that wish to argue that 9-11 was a crime in America and against Americans I counter that we have been at war with Islamic extremists for decades. An undeclared war. Remember the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon 25+ years ago. The first world tower bombing, the bombing of the USS Cole and others. Again, that is war and their is a process for those in times of war. (Hague and Geneva) When we captured hundreds if thousands of prisoners in WW II, and the first Gulf War did we sit each one down with an interpreter and a lawyer. Does anyone else here see the lunacy of the left???? This is an example of why liberals have no common sense. They deal in the theortical world rather than the real world. It sounds nice but is completely impractical. Most importantly it shows that obama supporters have more concern for terrorists than American warriors and citizens. Tell me again that the liberals did not elect a socialist/communist. SHAME!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Wow! This topic was started nearly 20 hours ago, and not a single left-leaning member of TS has commented? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 It depends on how they are tried and under what jurisdiction. If it's a military type, then you have to afford them protections that we're a signatory to. I am not a big fan of all of this, but if we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard and as a nation of laws. . .it is what it is. A country cannot simply changes their laws to suit the taste of the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hawkins Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Is America running out of common sense? Ok, seriously. Who in America doesn't already know their Mranda rights? It's on every TV show ever made almost. IMO, if your not American then the Miranda rights don't apply to you. If you are "fighting" America, then you are at war with us. When we find you we shoot you. The end. I gots an idea, maybe we could engrave the Miranda rights on every bullet issued to the military and law enforcemant. Well, no I didnt "read" it to him, but I did give him a "copy" of it. Please....... the same People who don't know that Drinking & Driving is wrong. The same people who dont know that Smoking will kill you. The same People who dont know that Drugs are illegal. The same People who don't know that you need a valid Drivers License to legally Drive............................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 It depends on how they are tried and under what jurisdiction. If it's a military type, then you have to afford them protections that we're a signatory to. I am not a big fan of all of this, but if we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard and as a nation of laws. . .it is what it is. A country cannot simply changes their laws to suit the taste of the times. It takes two parties to agree to a contract, so I ask are Afghanistan and Iraq signatories to The Geneva Convention? Also, what country do the terrorists represent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportscars Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Please....... the same People who don't know that Drinking & Driving is wrong. The same people who dont know that Smoking will kill you. The same People who dont know that Drugs are illegal. The same People who don't know that you need a valid Drivers License to legally Drive............................... The people who do these things KNOW they are wrong, they just don't care. They are more concerned with what they want than with obeying the law. The vast majority of people know their miranda rights. That does not mean the police should not marandize "suspects". They should, but to say that they didn't know what they were is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reino Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Concur. Miranda Rights are to ensure a citizen's rights are not violated and that they receive due process in criminal proceedings. It does not apply to warfare. What is next, when a soldier/Marine is shot at you will have to use a PA system to advise the terrorist of their rights before returning fire? What if obama had BEEN president during Pearl Harbor. Would we have sent the FBI to Japan to track down the rogue pilots that bombed Pearl Harbor and extradited them for trial in this country. Don't laugh. There were those that supported that concept rather than war with Japan. Miranda Rights are for those that commit crimes in America or that have an effect on Americans. The Geneva and Hague conventions apply for warfare and treatment of prisoners, not US courts. Now for those that wish to argue that 9-11 was a crime in America and against Americans I counter that we have been at war with Islamic extremists for decades. An undeclared war. Remember the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon 25+ years ago. The first world tower bombing, the bombing of the USS Cole and others. Again, that is war and their is a process for those in times of war. (Hague and Geneva) When we captured hundreds if thousands of prisoners in WW II, and the first Gulf War did we sit each one down with an interpreter and a lawyer. Does anyone else here see the lunacy of the left???? This is an example of why liberals have no common sense. They deal in the theortical world rather than the real world. It sounds nice but is completely impractical. Most importantly it shows that obama supporters have more concern for terrorists than American warriors and citizens. Tell me again that the liberals did not elect a socialist/communist. SHAME!!!!!! It takes two parties to agree to a contract, so I ask are Afghanistan and Iraq signatories to The Geneva Convention? Also, what country do the terrorists represent? Its nice to finally see a group of Americans who have a level head on their shoulder and know what they are talking about. This country is going to hell in a handbasket quickly if we dont stand up and do whats right, as AMERICANS. Between the 2 posts above I dont know if there is anything to add but I feel I should. Thanks for speaking out about this BS. I too look forward to the left views on this and to Roberts reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69dejavue Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 It depends on how they are tried and under what jurisdiction. If it's a military type, then you have to afford them protections that we're a signatory to. I am not a big fan of all of this, but if we want to hold ourselves to a higher standard and as a nation of laws. . .it is what it is. A country cannot simply changes their laws to suit the taste of the times. Robert, IMO, and throughout the history of this country, those apprehended by the military are tried in military tribunals. We do comply with the laws by affording their rights according to both the Geneva and Hague conventions. However, since Al-Qaeda, and the Taliban, and others are not signatories they are not guaranteed those rights. And obviously they flaunt those agreements by conducting torture and beheadings, etc. We have not changed our laws to suit the taste of the times. After World War II we held war crimes with military tribunals in both Japan and Nurenberg Germany. We have not changed, nor should we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Robert, IMO, and throughout the history of this country, those apprehended by the military are tried in military tribunals. We do comply with the laws by affording their rights according to both the Geneva and Hague conventions. However, since Al-Qaeda, and the Taliban, and others are not signatories they are not guaranteed those rights. And obviously they flaunt those agreements by conducting torture and beheadings, etc. We have not changed our laws to suit the taste of the times. After World War II we held war crimes with military tribunals in both Japan and Nurenberg Germany. We have not changed, nor should we. The way it was conducted, Nurnberg was a farce. That's not to say the parties involved were guilty swines. I'm not left or right, but I am in the middle, as I like to say like Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Police have read suspects the Miranda Warning for many decades yet lawyers' number one complaint is that their clients still cannot keep their mouths shut. These people want to die as martyrs, and are proud of what they have done. The act of reading them their rights will change nothing. What concerns me is the administration's mindset towards the terrorists this action indicates. My biggest concern, beyond what has already been stated, is that these "suspects" will get off on a technicallity, since they were NOT read their rights. Either they're afforded these rights, or they're not. That leaves the U.S. wide open to "unlawfull detainment" lawsuits, etc... I agree about suspects shouting their mouths off even after their rights are read. These are suspects. Since when are suspects not afforded any rights? As a country, we have generally attempted to hold ourselves to a higher standard than many other countries. A strong sense of ethics and morality is one of our fundamental pillars - even when confronted with evil people or groups. Even though Miranda came much later than the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, the framers were a class act and Miranda was in some respects, the basis of their ideology. If we are a nation that first and foremost upheld our own laws rather than attempt to circumvent them for convenience, this wouldn't even be an issue. These "suspects" were taken on the field of battle (in many cases). They are not criminals, they were trying to kill us or other innocent civilians. We always hold ourselves to a higher standard than ANY other country. When I see an American soldier cutting off an "insurgents" head, I'll think otherwise. Do the Al Quaida's have "Rules of Engagement"? I believe the voicing of those comments lend weight to the thought that we are NOT a Country of Conscience. Just my .02 Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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