relopez98 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 TSB done this past February; Rodeo Ford in Plano, TX. No problems for the past 3 months...TILL TODAY. Wife took the car out, she's been driving stick as long as I have. Her B-day tomorrow and so sshe wanted to show it off to the other Engineers at her work. I get the call at around 4:30; she's stranded at a gas station close to the house; clutch wouldn't engage, and felt as "loose" as it did right after the TSB was done. Gears 1-5 and reverse would engage WHEN THE CAR WAS OFF. As soon as you turned it over, NOTHING. Called up Rodeo, was told to call up roadside assistance and have them tow it in. TOW OPERATOR SHOWED UP AND TRIED TO START THE CAR WITH REVERSE ENGAGED!!!!!!! I had to patiently explain it to him that if he did that, WHILE THE CLUTCH WASN'T WORKING, he'd be in a world of hurt and I'd be dealing with his general liability policy. He understood and we pushed the car into position for the flat bed. Got in back to Rodeo right before they closed and Michael Forman is gonna give me a hollar tomorrow to let me know the status. I've had no issues other than little clutch shutter when pulling it into the garage (slight incline). Also, a little crunching from 1-2 when she's cold. However, I've never been locked out like this. Clutch seemed fried, and totally nonfunctional. Good thing is that Michael at the dealership stated that its covered under their 12 mos/12k miles post repair (through the dealership). I'm skeptical, but thanking my lucky stars that I got the extended warranty. Just another post TSB still having problems. Problems so far: black dots under the paint; roof trim not sealing on the passenger door; rattle on the passenger A piller; DAMN CHECK ENGINE LIGHT BLINKS EVERY TIME THE BATTERY IS DISCONNECTED AND CONTINUES UNTIL THE IDLE TRIM PROCESS IS RELEARNED; then finally the clutch TSB problems. I swear, if I didn't LOVE this car, and the time I spend driving it; I'd be selling it for a loss. I'm tired of hearing the wife bitch and moan every time I mention ANOTHER issue. Snapped a quick pic when she was being loaded on the flat bed.... ISN'T LIFE GRAND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Thats a BUMMER and I wish a quick quality fix for your car........... But I know when my clutch goes it will be ME driving......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Thats a BUMMER and I wish a quick quality fix for your car........... But I know when my clutch goes it will be ME driving......... Thanks for the encouragement, I hope for a quick fix too. Hind sigt's 20/20.....and I couldn't agree w/ you more. Don't think it's gonna be my decision to be the sole driver either. No go juice on the highway in rush hour in the "fast" lane and yet still having enogh momentum to get off the highway and into a station scared the bajeezus outta her. Props for her getting it to the station though, heck of a lot more convenient than on the side of the road. Once she gets out of the shop; it'll be ME driving her from then on too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500FLYBOY Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Sounds a little simliar to my last problem - your clutch may have fused to the flywheel from heat and warping. Was your flywheel replaced with the new one when they did the TSB? It's much thicker and disapates heat better and is less prone to warping. If they did the TSB correctly - it should have been replaced with the clutch and synchros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Sounds a little simliar to my last problem - your clutch may have fused to the flywheel from heat and warping. Was your flywheel replaced with the new one when they did the TSB? It's much thicker and disapates heat better and is less prone to warping. If they did the TSB correctly - it should have been replaced with the clutch and synchros. Paperwork shows that the flywheel was replaced, and the scynchros rebuilt, but, I can't confirm. I'm one of those trusting types that took their word for it b/c they were the first dealership that seemed to know what I was talking about and didn't give me any hassle on the TSB. First time I've read about the clutch "fusing" to the flywheel. Wife isn't the "fun" driver, and freaks out anytime I break the Shelby's end loose. I don't think she was doing anything wrong, and it surely wasn't that warm today either. I'm at a loss, but, I wasn't there w/ her when it happened; just showed up in time to be the knigt in the white bull (taurus). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 It would be interesting to see your old flywheel & clutch. Do you have your invoice from the first TSB which will have the flywheel pt# could have been the old style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500FLYBOY Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Paperwork shows that the flywheel was replaced, and the scynchros rebuilt, but, I can't confirm. I'm one of those trusting types that took their word for it b/c they were the first dealership that seemed to know what I was talking about and didn't give me any hassle on the TSB. First time I've read about the clutch "fusing" to the flywheel. Wife isn't the "fun" driver, and freaks out anytime I break the Shelby's end loose. I don't think she was doing anything wrong, and it surely wasn't that warm today either. I'm at a loss, but, I wasn't there w/ her when it happened; just showed up in time to be the knigt in the white bull (taurus). You don't have to drive it hard for this problem. You simply need to slip the clutch a lot - like women do. They rev it higher and slip it - which causes a lot of heat with these clutches. They're not meant to be slipped. They are high performance clutches that are to be essentially engaged or disengaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500FLYBOY Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Here's a couple shots of my flywheel - you can see where the edges of the clutch springs had actually fused to the flywheel. You can see the uneven wear indicating warping. This happened after some spirited slipping on my part. It's how I learned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500FLYBOY Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Paperwork shows that the flywheel was replaced, and the scynchros rebuilt, but, I can't confirm. I'm one of those trusting types that took their word for it b/c they were the first dealership that seemed to know what I was talking about and didn't give me any hassle on the TSB. First time I've read about the clutch "fusing" to the flywheel. Wife isn't the "fun" driver, and freaks out anytime I break the Shelby's end loose. I don't think she was doing anything wrong, and it surely wasn't that warm today either. I'm at a loss, but, I wasn't there w/ her when it happened; just showed up in time to be the knigt in the white bull (taurus). I'm never so trusting when it comes to this car. Inspect all parts yourself with the tech. Both old and new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 It would be interesting to see your old flywheel & clutch. Do you have your invoice from the first TSB which will have the flywheel pt# could have been the old style. Nope, didn't get pics of the first time; I'll check the invoice in my filing, but, it was done this past February, I would think it would've had the new style. You don't have to drive it hard for this problem. You simply need to slip the clutch a lot - like women do. They rev it higher and slip it - which causes a lot of heat with these clutches. They're not meant to be slipped. They are high performance clutches that are to be essentially engaged or disengaged. I'll ask her about it, thanks. I didn't realize they were that easy to heat up. I'll keep that in mind when breaking in what I suspect will be a new set up. I'm never so trusting when it comes to this car. Inspect all parts yourself with the tech. Both old and new. Nice shots, by the by. I'll let the dealership know that I want to see the old parts, and try and time it right for the install of the new ones. That's good advice. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500FLYBOY Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 The old flywheel is much lighter and thinner - there are even holes in it. The new flywheel is much thicker and heavier - and there are no holes. It will be easy to determine what was and wasn't done in February - just be there when the work gets done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingram4868 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Seeing the car on the flatbed is just sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frydguy79 Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 i had the same problem, about 2000 miles on my 1st TSB setup it took a dump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I'm never so trusting when it comes to this car. Inspect all parts yourself with the tech. Both old and new. You got that right.I checked all my new parts going in & have pictures of the old parts, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Thanks all for the support. You guys are all correct; I need to see the old parts and verify the new ones going in. Hopefully, with this being the second time, we'll have no issues. I know that Rodeo in Plano has done a bunch by now, I feel good about them doing the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Dealer is now telling me that they called the hot line which is telling them to put in a new clutch and bolts, but that's it. No mention of redoing the TSB and/or checking the tranny. I think I'm getting hosed. He said that the hot line said to do it like this and then check it out, if the problem persists, then to call back. Was told that they have to do what the hotline says or it won't be covered under warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr ford Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Dealer is now telling me that they called the hot line which is telling them to put in a new clutch and bolts, but that's it. No mention of redoing the TSB and/or checking the tranny. I think I'm getting hosed. He said that the hot line said to do it like this and then check it out, if the problem persists, then to call back. Was told that they have to do what the hotline says or it won't be covered under warranty. Those nasty dealers. Thats all they do is try to #%@k everyone who comes through the door............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Dealer is now telling me that they called the hot line which is telling them to put in a new clutch and bolts, but that's it. No mention of redoing the TSB and/or checking the tranny. I think I'm getting hosed. He said that the hot line said to do it like this and then check it out, if the problem persists, then to call back. Was told that they have to do what the hotline says or it won't be covered under warranty. I would ask to see the flywheel on your car & ask the mechanic if he checked to see if the flywheel is indeed true & not warped.If the flywheel is not true than putting a new clutch in won`t solve the problem.I think you need to talk to this dealer before they go ahead with repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Gonna make a run by there today and see for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt50035 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Gonna make a run by there today and see for myself. I would really push for a replacement flywheel too. Damn this TSB thing just gets crazier by the day. Just had mine done a week ago. Although I did not see the old parts, I did see the new ones in the box by my car waiting to be installed. Clutch operation appears normal and I was feelin pretty good about it. Now...not so sure! Good luck lopez. Keep us posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Service advisor hadn't told the mechanic the issue w/ 6th Gear. They were going to return the car to me tonight w/ a new clutch....THAT'S IT. I saw the old clutch, had VERY IRREGULAR WEAR ALONG THE EDGES OF THE CERAMIC TILES. After I explained the problem w/ the fly wheels and the warping, the mechanic said he'd be ordering a new fly wheel and would pull apart the tranny to see if there was any problems w/ the synchros. Again, wouldn't have happened if I hadn't gone there myself and talked w/ the mechanic. Don't trust the advisors to give the whole story to the technicians. You were all correct, see it for yourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500FLYBOY Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Good. I'm still waiitng to hear how that flywheel looks - and which one it is. Was it in fact replaced in Feb as you were told... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Good. I'm still waiitng to hear how that flywheel looks - and which one it is. Was it in fact replaced in Feb as you were told... +1 Any pictures of the flywheel which could have started the uneven wear of the clutch disc if it was warped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 No pics yet, will see if I can time it right with when they are pulling out the tranny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 No pics yet, will see if I can time it right with when they are pulling out the tranny. Are the posted pictures above pictures of the present TSB if so the trannys out along with the clutch, should be able to see the fywheel?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 He only had the clutch out, the tryanny had already been put back. He told me that he was going to pull out the tranny yesterday evening. I couldn't stick around, had to go back to the office (was the only one left). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcaramucci Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 My car is in the shop right now for the same problem (Bankston For Grapevine TX.). I was told the only way to fix this issue is to replace everything including the fly wheel. If you do not replace the fly wheel you will be back. It is killing me for not haveing the car this weekend but it has to get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relopez98 Posted May 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 My car is in the shop right now for the same problem (Bankston For Grapevine TX.). I was told the only way to fix this issue is to replace everything including the fly wheel. If you do not replace the fly wheel you will be back. It is killing me for not haveing the car this weekend but it has to get done. if they do the TSB correctly, it replaces the flywheel too. my problem was this was the 2nd time it was coming in for the same issue; dealer only wanted to replace the clutch. I think we're on the same page, now that I've spoken with the mechanic myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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