ColdwaterHotrod Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 OK folks, Here's the story...... I just returned from the dealer where I bought my car. I dropped it off tonight so they could put the Environmental Paint & Interior package on it as agreed in return for getting the car at MSRP (Fair deal to me & it beats paying the ADM). I just learned that the package also includes Rust-Proofing the car with an almost clear-ish light yellow wax based material that stays sticky & it has a lifetime warrantee. My only concern is they don’t tape off all the areas they are going to apply it to, like all the door seams, wheel wells, under the hood, inside the gas cap area, under the rocker panels & inside the trunk seams area. This stuff always stays tacky & looks like it will hold any & all dirt that ever touches it so it can always be seen when any of the doors are open, hood, trunk and gas cap. So over the years it gets darker with the dirt. You can scratch it off with your finger nail, but still not sure what to do? Has anyone here had this done to your car (especially a white one) and what are your thoughts on the things I mentioned above? I have until 8:30am in the morning to call them & tell them to continue or Stop with the Rust-proofing or to credit my account for oil changes. Please give me you thoughts on this as if it was your car. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTpower Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 STOP IT!! unless you plan to drive it in the winter and your area dumps salt. You're right, it stays soft and boy does it ever accumulate dirt. That yellow will look black in no time. Good product IF you need it. By the way, since when does ext paint and interior package includes rustproofing........that's bs, they are pushing you............lots of markup on all 3 by the way, I know, use to sell it when I was a Finance Manager at Ford years ago. Don't do it..............if fact, I'd bail on all 3 if you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullittmansparts Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Back in "The day" Before cars were E coated when the unibody was first created, it made good sense to have it done. It's of small benefit on today's cars even when driven year round in salt climes IMHO. In a couple months I hope to be joining you ...You lucky dog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdwaterHotrod Posted November 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 STOP IT!! unless you plan to drive it in the winter and your area dumps salt. You're right, it stays soft and boy does it ever accumulate dirt. That yellow will look black in no time. Good product IF you need it. By the way, since when does ext paint and interior package includes rustproofing........that's bs, they are pushing you............lots of markup on all 3 by the way, I know, use to sell it when I was a Finance Manager at Ford years ago. Don't do it..............if fact, I'd bail on all 3 if you can It's a teflon paint protection & stain gaurd for the interior. Those I can live with. The huge ADM I could not so spending $500 this way kept the salesguy & sales manager happy since they got no ADM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashfearless Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 ACK! NO! STOP IT! NO! DON"T DO IT. NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90GT Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 It's a waste of money, back out of it if you can and take the free oil changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullittmansparts Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 It's a teflon paint protection & stain gaurd for the interior. Those I can live with. The huge ADM I could not so spending $500 this way kept the salesguy & sales manager happy since they got no ADM. How about an upgrade on a warranty to help them out? I'm going to go that route.....even though I'll probably never get to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraegar Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 I wouldn't - but if you happen to get caught out when there's salt on the roads, spray it off right away. Beyond that, from experience & reading I've found rustproofing to be a waste of money, and a detriment to looks. - Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastersmech1 Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 I did it to a 2002 Landcruiser once. It was the worst mistake I had made in a long time. That dripped off my car into my garage for six months.. Heard nothing but BS from the dealer. It caught rocks and debris and made a horrible mess. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrichard Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 It's a teflon paint protection & stain gaurd for the interior. Those I can live with. The huge ADM I could not so spending $500 this way kept the salesguy & sales manager happy since they got no ADM. If it's mainly to keep them happy, then just give them $500 and ask them not to do the work. Or give them each a $200 gift certificate to a nice restaurant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SVTpower Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 I did it to a 2002 Landcruiser once. It was the worst mistake I had made in a long time. That dripped off my car into my garage for six months.. Heard nothing but BS from the dealer. It caught rocks and debris and made a horrible mess. Just my opinion. the stuff Coldwater is referring to will not drip........wax based called parafin but stays gummy and accumulates lots of road dirt........will go black for sure. Again.........NO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainbob Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Dont' do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carnut Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 If it's mainly to keep them happy, then just give them $500 and ask them not to do the work. Or give them each a $200 gift certificate to a nice restaurant. Leather interior? Stain guard? Sounds not like a good thing. Maybe you buy something else from them to keep everyone honorable and in happyland :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VNMOUS1 Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 OK folks, Here's the story...... I just returned from the dealer where I bought my car. I dropped it off tonight so they could put the Environmental Paint & Interior package on it as agreed in return for getting the car at MSRP (Fair deal to me & it beats paying the ADM). I just learned that the package also includes Rust-Proofing the car with an almost clear-ish light yellow wax based material that stays sticky & it has a lifetime warrantee. My only concern is they don’t tape off all the areas they are going to apply it to, like all the door seams, wheel wells, under the hood, inside the gas cap area, under the rocker panels & inside the trunk seams area. This stuff always stays tacky & looks like it will hold any & all dirt that ever touches it so it can always be seen when any of the doors are open, hood, trunk and gas cap. So over the years it gets darker with the dirt. You can scratch it off with your finger nail, but still not sure what to do? Has anyone here had this done to your car (especially a white one) and what are your thoughts on the things I mentioned above? I have until 8:30am in the morning to call them & tell them to continue or Stop with the Rust-proofing or to credit my account for oil changes. Please give me you thoughts on this as if it was your car. Thanks. Write the check. Call it an ADM and get over it, but DON'T put that crap on or in your car!!!!!!!!! bj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Take the oil changes . As several have said it retains the dirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSOLVER Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 A couple of other considerations. It makes mods under the car much more difficult as well. And adds weight. IMO, a good undercarrige wash every few washes is a much more effective way to prevent concern. And being familiar with all parts of the car at close quarters helps with suprise damage assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Don't do it. Get the service credit, even if it is not a straight up trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMO-GT500 Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 ..late to the parade but I agree with the rest. Undercoating only made sense decades ago when the car makers implemented no type of effective corrosion resistance. Times have changed, and cars are essentially corrosion proof for decades "if" you take proper care of them. In fact, the undercoating may actually make it more difficult to properly clean and flush the car correctly. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moabman Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 I think the service coupon idea sounds great as an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69deluxe Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 I just learned that the package also includes Rust-Proofing the car with an almost clear-ish light yellow wax based material that stays sticky & it has a lifetime warrantee. My only concern is they don’t tape off all the areas they are going to apply it to, like all the door seams, wheel wells, under the hood, inside the gas cap area, under the rocker panels & inside the trunk seams area. This stuff always stays tacky & looks like it will hold any & all dirt that ever touches it so it can always be seen when any of the doors are open, hood, trunk and gas cap. So over the years it gets darker with the dirt. You can scratch it off with your finger nail, but still not sure what to do? CWHR, Don't do it. I have judged mustangs for years. The rust proofing sprayed from underneath always seems to find its way into the engine compartment. I have seen '04 cobras with dirty engine compartments only to find it wasn't "dirt" at all it was the undercoating!!! Ugh! Looked terrible! You may have a dealer who is a bit more careful with how it's applied, but I wouldn't take the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdwaterHotrod Posted November 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 First off I would like to thank you all for your comments & input on this subject. My gut feeling that I had the moment they told me about this sticky yellowish rust-proofing material served me well like it has so many other times in the past. If it had been another color I might not have been so concerned, but with Performance White, NO WAY! As of 7:15 am this morning I called them & said DO NOT PUT THIS RUST-PROOFING CRAP ON MY CAR. As far as the Paint protection & Interior stain/leather treatment goes those services I can live with because this service was paid up front when I bought the car. Yes, I could have done it myself, but finding the time over the next several winter months was going to be tough for me. So I am happy that they were willing to be flexible on this additional service package by allowing me to change it, plus the sales person still keeps his commissions & I get some oil changes in exchange when the time comes. Again thanks to all that provided input in such a short time frame, you’re all a bunch of good knowledgeable people that I hope to one day get the pleasure to me at future Shelby meets. Take care, CWHR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supe Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 These don't rust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68KR07Shelby Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 RUN don't walk away from rust proofing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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