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I spoke with the Ford ESP folks today after I recieved an offer to buy the extended warranty in the mail. I told the gentleman that I would buy the ESP if they would grarantee in writing that the TSB parts would be covered if I needed it. He called back and asked that I call the warranty people which I did. They told me the parts would NOT be covered by the ESP. None of the parts. When the bumper to bumper warranty runs out we are on our on. :cry:

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I spoke with the Ford ESP folks today after I recieved an offer to buy the extended warranty in the mail. I told the gentleman that I would buy the ESP if they would grarantee in writing that the TSB parts would be covered if I needed it. He called back and asked that I call the warranty people which I did. They told me the parts would NOT be covered by the ESP. None of the parts. When the bumper to bumper warranty runs out we are on our on. :cry:

 

Can anyone say for certain what length this TSB will be honored? It is my opinion that the flywheel is covered by the 5 year, 60K warranty. I think they even list the flywheel in the 5/60K discription, but I don't have the owners manual in front of me. All damage beyond the flywheel, is caused by the flywheel, so in my opinion, 5 years, 60K. I do believe, if they denied me in that time frame, I would talk to a good auto lawyer.

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Can anyone say for certain what length this TSB will be honored? It is my opinion that the flywheel is covered by the 5 year, 60K warranty. I think they even list the flywheel in the 5/60K discription, but I don't have the owners manual in front of me. All damage beyond the flywheel, is caused by the flywheel, so in my opinion, 5 years, 60K. I do believe, if they denied me in that time frame, I would talk to a good auto lawyer.

 

For what it is worth, my dealer told me it was covered under the 5/60 warranty. My build date is 8-14-08, so I just missed the new parts by a few days.

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For what it is worth, my dealer told me it was covered under the 5/60 warranty. My build date is 8-14-08, so I just missed the new parts by a few days.

 

But you must have the new parts in your car?

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I was told by our Reg Mgr that IF the flywheel went bad, then the PREM ESP would cover it and everything that was messed up by the flywheel going bad.

 

MM

 

 

Michael, you might want to call Ford Warranty and verify ,because that was not what I was told. If you do, please let us know the results. Also, do you know if the warranty on the tsb parts is 3-36 or 5-60?

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I was told by our Reg Mgr that IF the flywheel went bad, then the PREM ESP would cover it and everything that was messed up by the flywheel going bad.

 

MM

 

Great news MM.

 

I have the Premium plan. :happy feet:

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I was told by our Reg Mgr that IF the flywheel went bad, then the PREM ESP would cover it and everything that was messed up by the flywheel going bad.

 

MM

 

It would help customer confidence if this was specific in the written contract???????????

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I just read my National Provisions Booklet (Terms & Conditions).

 

The Flywheel is covered.

 

The clutch is not covered. It is a wear item like brake pads.

 

Also on Page 14 under item #7 WHAT IS NOT COVERED BY THIS AGREEMENT.

 

Line item - j) Repairs needed to a covered part caused by the failure of a non covered part.

 

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I just read my National Provisions Booklet (Terms & Conditions).

 

The Flywheel is covered.

 

The clutch is not covered. It is a wear item like brake pads.

 

Also on Page 14 under item #7 WHAT IS NOT COVERED BY THIS AGREEMENT.

 

Line item - j) Repairs needed to a covered part caused by the failure of a non covered part.

 

 

See;

That really opens up the topic for being scrutinized?????????

If it is determined that "CLUTCH ABUSE" caused the Flyweel to warp than "NO WARRANTY"??????????

 

Regardless weather the Diagnosis is accurate ??????????? I dont like how warranties are worded........

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See;

That really opens up the topic for being scrutinized?????????

If it is determined that "CLUTCH ABUSE" caused the Flyweel to warp than "NO WARRANTY"??????????

 

Regardless weather the Diagnosis is accurate ??????????? I dont like how warranties are worded........

I agree with you.

 

I don't like it. :censored:

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I agree with you.

 

I don't like it. :censored:

 

Rob, I sincerely hope your Prem ESP covers it. If so, I will buy the plan. The lady in warranty told me nothing covered it except the bumper to bumper. I was on hold about 10 min while she checked. I then called the ESP guy and he said he had nothing to cover it. Maybe the tail is wagging the dog?

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Another tact you may want to try for longer term peace of mind is the "Ford Maintenance Protection Plan". Or that's what it's called in Canada anyway, I'm sure there's a U.S. version. Anyhoo, my contract is for 6 years 120,000km (aprx 80k miles) and includes the following wear items (as per the contract) wiht 0 deductible:

 

-Brakes

-Clutch

-belts and hoses

-shocks

 

...and a bunch of other smaller "wear" items, along with all scheduled maintenance.

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Another tact you may want to try for longer term peace of mind is the "Ford Maintenance Protection Plan". Or that's what it's called in Canada anyway, I'm sure there's a U.S. version. Anyhoo, my contract is for 6 years 120,000km (aprx 80k miles) and includes the following wear items (as per the contract) wiht 0 deductible:

 

-Brakes

-Clutch

-belts and hoses

-shocks

 

...and a bunch of other smaller "wear" items, along with all scheduled maintenance.

 

I saw that plan in my book and on the paperwork. I bet it is expensive.

 

When I bought my car I had no idea whatsoever that I would be buying the extended warranty to protect me against a known Ford defect. Oh well.....such is life.

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Is it possible to get the "clutch/flyweel" TSB covered under the standered 5 year

powertrain warranty????????????

 

If so than the only advantage of the ESP may be just an extended 2 years?????????

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I saw that plan in my book and on the paperwork. I bet it is expensive.

 

When I bought my car I had no idea whatsoever that I would be buying the extended warranty to protect me against a known Ford defect. Oh well.....such is life.

 

Like everything else autotmotive these days, it's negotiable - it was part of the whole deal I worked when I bought the car (MSRP less 15K) so I'm not sure how it prices out alone.

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Is it possible to get the "clutch/flyweel" TSB covered under the standered 5 year

powertrain warranty????????????

 

 

If so than the only advantage of the ESP may be just an extended 2 years?????????

 

Do you guys not mod yourcar at all? I have never had luck with warranty on any sports car. They look for any excuse to not cover things. That air filter you changed probably voided your warranty. Not to mention I'm not sure I even want the dealer working on my car. I'd rather buy a better clutch/flywheel anyway. I will use the standard warranty as much as I can on some things but I would never buy an extended warranty on a car like this. I once had a warranty claim on a wiring issue denied because I had an adjustable fuel pressure regulator on a gmc typhoon. It took an act of congress but I did fight it and won. Point is dealers will use anything to get out of warranty.

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The Flywheel is considered part of the engine and covered under the powertrain warranty (5/60,000) and would also be covered under Ford's ESP Premium Care policy if it goes beyond the powertrain coverage. Warranty always pays the coverage over ESP. The clutch is a maintenance item and not covered under warranty unless it has a defect then covered under the 3/36 bumper to bumper. If you were out of the 3/36 bumper to bumper and the flywheel went bad and effected the clutch and pressure plate it could be covered as a casual part another words the flywheel caused the clutch and pressure plate to fail. If your car is experiencing the TSP issues the dealer can replace it under these coverages.....

Warning: Not all Ford Dealers sell the Ford ESP (Extended Service Policy) as some sell independent contracts like JM&A, Service Group, Providence etc that have different coverages and not backed by the Ford Motor Company so always ask if this is the Ford Motor Company ESP policy.

 

Here is the coverage statements on the clutch and then flywheel;

 

CLUTCH LINING

(Disc)

Replacement of clutch lining due to normal wear and tear (disc) is a

maintenance service and is not reimbursable, except for 2001-2003

Lincoln vehicles which have coverage for 3 years or 36,000 miles,

whichever comes first. If, however, the lining wear-out is due to a factory

defect in material or workmanship, the clutch lining is reimbursable

during the Bumper-to-Bumper coverage. The claim should be annotated

with the specific defect.

 

 

POWERTRAIN WARRANTY

(Model Year 2007 & newer)

PART # DESCRIPTION PART # DESCRIPTION

71

6477 Flywheel Asy

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I saw that plan in my book and on the paperwork. I bet it is expensive.

 

When I bought my car I had no idea whatsoever that I would be buying the extended warranty to protect me against a known Ford defect. Oh well.....such is life.

 

Grabber, I think you can cancell the ESP at any time. But that is what I think I remember.

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Grabber, I think you can cancell the ESP at any time. But that is what I think I remember.

 

I'm keeping my ESP for all the expensive electronics and other stuff that can go wrong with the car. I have a new tranny and the new flywheel and clutch and pilot bearing and CSC. My car runs and shifts like butter. In fact I had it out Friday and it's an awesome ride to run thru the gears.

 

I did not buy the ESP for the clutch issue...so I'm keeping it.

 

Friday Pic's.

 

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I'm keeping my ESP for all the expensive electronics and other stuff that can go wrong with the car. I have a new tranny and the new flywheel and clutch and pilot bearing and CSC. My car runs and shifts like butter. In fact I had it out Friday and it's an awesome ride to run thru the gears.

 

I did not buy the ESP for the clutch issue...so I'm keeping it.

 

Friday Pic's.

 

th_GT5002009Pics029.jpg

th_GT5002009Pics027.jpg

th_GT5002009Pics031.jpg

Hey Grabber, I noticed in the photo's that there is some striping on your left fender. I believe some of the excess clippings from your hood stripes must have landed there when they stripped the car. A plastic razor blade and mild soap will get those off.!!

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Another tact you may want to try for longer term peace of mind is the "Ford Maintenance Protection Plan". Or that's what it's called in Canada anyway, I'm sure there's a U.S. version. Anyhoo, my contract is for 6 years 120,000km (aprx 80k miles) and includes the following wear items (as per the contract) wiht 0 deductible:

 

-Brakes

-Clutch

-belts and hoses

-shocks

 

...and a bunch of other smaller "wear" items, along with all scheduled maintenance.

 

In the USA, it is called QCMPP (Quality Care Maintenance Plan Protection). I bought it for my '07 GT for well under $1K. It pays for all oil changes, brake linings, clutch lining, belts, hoses, light bulbs, wiper blades, shocks, 15K service, 30K service, etc. Basically, it covers all the maintenance stuff that is NOT covered by warranty or ESP's. I bought 36K miles of coverage, so it will easily pay for itself.

 

One catch, you have to buy it within the first 12 months or 12,000 miles of the car's life. After that, you cannot purchase it.

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