JeffIsHereToo Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Wow, surprised not one post on today's news about how the Bush Administration seriously looked to take away so many of our fundamental freedoms all in the name of the "War on Terror". http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090302/ap_on_...pe/terror_memos But what fun would that be right?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerGmc Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Don't know why anyone would be surprised at GW following the plan argued by Gorlick and used by Clinton and followed by Obama. Oh wait, The "One" lost that argument in court last week and now must regroup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Maybe we should be more concerned about what is happening right now than what "could" have been in the past. We are loosing oour rights daily. Im sure OB would be happy if we didnt pay attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stump_breaker Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Wow, surprised not one post on today's news about how the Bush Administration seriously looked to take away so many of our fundamental freedoms all in the name of the "War on Terror". http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090302/ap_on_...pe/terror_memos But what fun would that be right?!? 1. The link goes to nowhere. 2. You're correct. Under the Bush admin. our freedoms were chipped away in large chunks and that bothered me greatly. Our freedoms were sacrificed under the guise of security. In a lot of avenues the Patriot Act was down right disgusting. Ok. Find a paper sack, place it over your nose and mouth and breathe deeply. I know I'm agreeing with you but it's not the end of the world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 1. The link goes to nowhere.2. You're correct. Under the Bush admin. our freedoms were chipped away in large chunks and that bothered me greatly. Our freedoms were sacrificed under the guise of security. In a lot of avenues the Patriot Act was down right disgusting. Ok. Find a paper sack, place it over your nose and mouth and breathe deeply. I know I'm agreeing with you but it's not the end of the world! You aint seen nothing yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stump_breaker Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 You aint seen nothing yet! I agree wholeheartedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Let's see, Jeff. A bunch of lawyers discussing the legal limits of what a president can do alarms you? I hope that goes on in EVERY administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Morris Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I hope we are NOT going to have FOUR more years of "Its Bushs Fault"!!! Hes gone, yall voted in our new Pres. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2007GT Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I hope we are NOT going to have FOUR more years of "Its Bushs Fault"!!! That's all they have. In 4 years they will say "the one" hasn't had enough time for his policies to work and they will re-elect him regardless of the economy or what's going on in the world. Hopefully by then Bobby Jindal will have learned to swing his arms when he walks and will be "hip" enough to get elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOWN Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 4 years of Obama you got to be kidding me.If all goes well we will be calling to impeach Obama. Don't ask me why because I don't know yet . Oyea sorry got a little off track. You are right Jeff how DARE Mr Bush do what it takes to keep us safe. You are right again Jeff about Mr Bush doing ALL this behind closed doors In the secret places to maybe have to even go deeper into the freedoms of TERRORIST. Jeff how is it that you can see this but you are totaly BLINDED ( cool-Aid) by Obama taking are freedoms away right in front of us. How can that be. Obama Is signing away are freedoms right in front of are eyes.WE do not have to work the Goverment will send us a check just to sit at home they will pay off my Neighbors morgage there car Cmon life is good :happy feet: I salute you mister Obama . I am willing to give up some freedom for are national Security. How Close We come To Losing Are Freedoms TO We Are Losing Are Freedoms. sorry there Is a BIG diffrence there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubbsFaris Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 People are so polarized when it comes to politics...they make you a friend by creating a common enemy. The reality is Republican or Democrat, they equally suck and neither have the "people's" interest in mind in anything they do. They do nothing for people, they only work for votes...meanwhile, they line their own pockets with the lobbyists perks and gifts. Oh, and the six or seven figure job waiting for them if they do get ousted for all the favors they provided. You guys get worked up over BS like which president will take away more from us...answer is D. All of the above End of story and debate... Those of you who blindly follow a party miss the whole point...CHOOSING a good PERSON....the ideals any candidate have are irrelevant as is the party they are attached to. ( i could say the are like a--h-les....everyone has them and they all stink, but Im not tacky like that) The Republican Senator who gets busted in an airport bathroom? Wouldn't you expect a Democrat to do that if it is going to happen? These people run on whatever party platform they can get on...they just want an easy way to make money for the most part.... Frickin Sheep leading Sheep....Blind leading the Blind...meanwhile they have all of us thinking and tricked into beleiving there are 2 SIDES battling for your hard earned money. In another few years...there wont be any money to fight over left...so there...that's all I got to say about that... It is funny as hell to see you guys get worked up over politics though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Morris Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 People are so polarized when it comes to politics...they make you a friend by creating a common enemy. The reality is Republican or Democrat, they equally suck and neither have the "people's" interest in mind in anything they do. They do nothing for people, they only work for votes...meanwhile, they line their own pockets with the lobbyists perks and gifts. Oh, and the six or seven figure job waiting for them if they do get ousted for all the favors they provided. You guys get worked up over BS like which president will take away more from us...answer is D. All of the above End of story and debate... Those of you who blindly follow a party miss the whole point...CHOOSING a good PERSON....the ideals any candidate have are irrelevant as is the party they are attached to. ( i could say the are like a--h-les....everyone has them and they all stink, but Im not tacky like that) The Republican Senator who gets busted in an airport bathroom? Wouldn't you expect a Democrat to do that if it is going to happen? These people run on whatever party platform they can get on...they just want an easy way to make money for the most part.... Frickin Sheep leading Sheep....Blind leading the Blind...meanwhile they have all of us thinking and tricked into beleiving there are 2 SIDES battling for your hard earned money. In another few years...there wont be any money to fight over left...so there...that's all I got to say about that... It is funny as hell to see you guys get worked up over politics though I agree! I dont get worked up over politics. Yall have a great day and remember " Help America and BUY a car from MM" MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 People are so polarized when it comes to politics...they make you a friend by creating a common enemy. The reality is Republican or Democrat, they equally suck and neither have the "people's" interest in mind in anything they do. They do nothing for people, they only work for votes...meanwhile, they line their own pockets with the lobbyists perks and gifts. Oh, and the six or seven figure job waiting for them if they do get ousted for all the favors they provided. You guys get worked up over BS like which president will take away more from us...answer is D. All of the above End of story and debate... Those of you who blindly follow a party miss the whole point...CHOOSING a good PERSON....the ideals any candidate have are irrelevant as is the party they are attached to. ( i could say the are like a--h-les....everyone has them and they all stink, but Im not tacky like that) The Republican Senator who gets busted in an airport bathroom? Wouldn't you expect a Democrat to do that if it is going to happen? These people run on whatever party platform they can get on...they just want an easy way to make money for the most part.... Frickin Sheep leading Sheep....Blind leading the Blind...meanwhile they have all of us thinking and tricked into beleiving there are 2 SIDES battling for your hard earned money. In another few years...there wont be any money to fight over left...so there...that's all I got to say about that... It is funny as hell to see you guys get worked up over politics though You sound more worked up than anyone else, to me. I think it's important to take a stand, whatever that stand is. To say "none of the above" abrogates yourself from any input to make changes and frees one from responsibility. Take a stand, push for changes that you believe in! The "heated" debates we have here, between similar people with widely ranging viewpoints, is precisely the way to determine governance, IMHO. I think that's the American way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stump_breaker Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I agree! I dont get worked up over politics. Yall have a great day and remember " Help America and BUY a car from MM" MM Which one? The Altima or the Yaris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydub Mach1 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 How DARE the President protect us from another attack!!! Mr. Obama and his comrades are doing all they can to undermine our national security. They better hope their lickspittle media minions can protect them from an outraged citizenry should we suffer another attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Morris Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Which one? The Altima or the Yaris? BOTH!!!!! MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 People are so polarized when it comes to politics...they make you a friend by creating a common enemy. The reality is Republican or Democrat, they equally suck and neither have the "people's" interest in mind in anything they do. They do nothing for people, they only work for votes...meanwhile, they line their own pockets with the lobbyists perks and gifts. Oh, and the six or seven figure job waiting for them if they do get ousted for all the favors they provided. You guys get worked up over BS like which president will take away more from us...answer is D. All of the above End of story and debate... Those of you who blindly follow a party miss the whole point...CHOOSING a good PERSON....the ideals any candidate have are irrelevant as is the party they are attached to. ( i could say the are like a--h-les....everyone has them and they all stink, but Im not tacky like that) The Republican Senator who gets busted in an airport bathroom? Wouldn't you expect a Democrat to do that if it is going to happen? These people run on whatever party platform they can get on...they just want an easy way to make money for the most part.... Frickin Sheep leading Sheep....Blind leading the Blind...meanwhile they have all of us thinking and tricked into beleiving there are 2 SIDES battling for your hard earned money. In another few years...there wont be any money to fight over left...so there...that's all I got to say about that... It is funny as hell to see you guys get worked up over politics though I agree to a large extent. But, this President is leading us down a socialist path. You pay for your neighbors house, his medical expenses, even if that neighbor is not a citizen of this country. He is now having Putin tell us how our foreign policy should look. This is change alright. And your retirement, forget it. This administration has done damage beyond anything I could think they could do in such a short time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubbsFaris Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 You sound more worked up than anyone else, to me. I think it's important to take a stand, whatever that stand is. To say "none of the above" abrogates yourself from any input to make changes and frees one from responsibility. Take a stand, push for changes that you believe in! The "heated" debates we have here, between similar people with widely ranging viewpoints, is precisely the way to determine governance, IMHO. I think that's the American way. I dont think I can be worked up and abrogate at the same time, but you miss my point...both parties comprimise their platforms, hence, vote for the person, not the party. Having to choose one party over the other if you dont like them both isnt input, its subjegation. I support specific people, not their parties since neither represent my political views....I would put myself on the almost no govt side...which is not reflected in any party... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I dont think I can be worked up and abrogate at the same time, but you miss my point...both parties comprimise their platforms, hence, vote for the person, not the party. Having to choose one party over the other if you dont like them both isnt input, its subjegation. I support specific people, not their parties since neither represent my political views....I would put myself on the almost no govt side...which is not reflected in any party... I think that since we are a 2 party system, your choices are limited. We all need to make 1 selection on election day, and we pick who we think most closely mirrors our own thinking. That's the way it is, so we are all commited to this play. By not picking, saying "none of the above", you relinquish any input at all... If you are for almost no govt, (me too) I think the party of choice would be pretty clear. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_quik_pony Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 That's all they have. In 4 years they will say "the one" hasn't had enough time for his policies to work and they will re-elect him regardless of the economy or what's going on in the world. Hopefully by then Bobby Jindal will have learned to swing his arms when he walks and will be "hip" enough to get elected. Isn't Bobby Jindal that little Indian kid with his lips stuck to Rush Limbaugh's butt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 Isn't Bobby Jindal that little Indian kid with his lips stuck to Rush Limbaugh's butt? Better than some that have thier face attached to Pelosi and Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted March 3, 2009 Report Share Posted March 3, 2009 I think that since we are a 2 party system, your choices are limited. We all need to make 1 selection on election day, and we pick who we think most closely mirrors our own thinking. That's the way it is, so we are all commited to this play.By not picking, saying "none of the above", you relinquish any input at all... If you are for almost no govt, (me too) I think the party of choice would be pretty clear. Dan It's only a 2 party system because the 2 parties say it is. There is plenty of room in this country for multiple political parties. We the people just need to demand it and work for it. IMO, we have the Republicans and the Republican-lites. Less bitter but less filling. It's time for a real choice in our national debate. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Sad to see the Republican party in such a disfunctional state............. With Rush Limbaugh leading the way I can see why........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubbsFaris Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 It's only a 2 party system because the 2 parties say it is.There is plenty of room in this country for multiple political parties. We the people just need to demand it and work for it. IMO, we have the Republicans and the Republican-lites. Less bitter but less filling. It's time for a real choice in our national debate. Ken Well said...its not in the constitution that we can only have 2 parties....but Dan, I dont completely disagree with you either... I never said I dont vote...I merely said neither party candidate carries my views...but what else is new... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69dejavue Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Jeff, every president has contingency plans for emergencies. They are part of planning. You would be shocked by some of the plans for national security in the event of a biological attack. Draconaian? Yes, but necessary if the country is to survive. None of these issues you raised were put in place but they did evaluate to see if they could and should be done in the event of an emergency. That is what real leaders do. When the foo hits the fan there is already a contingency plan of response. It would be nice to live in a world where such plans are not necessary but when you deal with extremists you have to have a plan to save the country. Not that the Klinton administration violated any rights, oh yeah, there was WACO, Ruby Ridge, Elian Gonzales and a host of others. There was the attacks on the second amendment. Bush was not perfect, especially with the economy. But I thank God he was POTUS when 9/11 occurred. I am reminded of how Klinton would respond to attacks by sending a few cruise missles and then beating on his chest and proclaiming how he taught them a lesson. When asked after 9-11 what he would do Bush reportedly said I will tell you what I will not do. I won't send a million dollar missle half way around the world to fly into a 10.00 tent in the desert and hit a camel in the ass. Remember Afghanistan and the Taliban that defeated Mother Russia. They didn't beat the US. God Bless President Bush for protecting this country. That is his first duty. Obama seems to think his first duty is to socialize the country. And socialism is just communism with a graduate degree! Do you really believe you lost any rights when Bush was president? Did anyone kick your door in the middle of the night and haul you off never to be seen again? The NSA and others only listen in on those that are a threat to the country. Now the democrats, on the other hand, want to invoke the fairness doctrine and take away your first amendment rights. But I guess that is ok because they are democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Sad to see the Republican party in such a disfunctional state............. With Rush Limbaugh leading the way I can see why........... I wouldlove to hear youcall in to Rush. Have you ever listened to him really, I mean, not sound bites. He would eat your lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDT Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 I wouldlove to hear youcall in to Rush. Have you ever listened to him really, I mean, not sound bites. He would eat your lunch. From the size of him looks like he's been eating alot of peoples lunches??????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one_quik_pony Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 From the size of him looks like he's been eating alot of peoples lunches??????????? :beerchug: :tequila: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svttim Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 From the size of him looks like he's been eating alot of peoples lunches??????????? And think about it, halve the size of his bank account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Doctor Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Jeff, every president has contingency plans for emergencies. They are part of planning. You would be shocked by some of the plans for national security in the event of a biological attack. Draconaian? Yes, but necessary if the country is to survive. None of these issues you raised were put in place but they did evaluate to see if they could and should be done in the event of an emergency. That is what real leaders do. When the foo hits the fan there is already a contingency plan of response. It would be nice to live in a world where such plans are not necessary but when you deal with extremists you have to have a plan to save the country. Not that the Klinton administration violated any rights, oh yeah, there was WACO, Ruby Ridge, Elian Gonzales and a host of others. There was the attacks on the second amendment. Bush was not perfect, especially with the economy. But I thank God he was POTUS when 9/11 occurred. I am reminded of how Klinton would respond to attacks by sending a few cruise missles and then beating on his chest and proclaiming how he taught them a lesson. When asked after 9-11 what he would do Bush reportedly said I will tell you what I will not do. I won't send a million dollar missle half way around the world to fly into a 10.00 tent in the desert and hit a camel in the ass. Remember Afghanistan and the Taliban that defeated Mother Russia. They didn't beat the US. God Bless President Bush for protecting this country. That is his first duty. Obama seems to think his first duty is to socialize the country. And socialism is just communism with a graduate degree! Do you really believe you lost any rights when Bush was president? Did anyone kick your door in the middle of the night and haul you off never to be seen again? The NSA and others only listen in on those that are a threat to the country. Now the democrats, on the other hand, want to invoke the fairness doctrine and take away your first amendment rights. But I guess that is ok because they are democrats. Not so fast. The jury is still out on that one - according to reports from the military. Bush made a real big mistake by going into Iraq before finishing in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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