Starkie Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Just a question? Some websites dont let you post about street racing, so I had to ask. I personally dont condone it, too many people on the road that can be hurt or killed. There are way too many tracks to go let loose on legally and safely for me to even think why anybody would take that chance with their own lives and especially the innocent lives of people just driving down the road. Any thoughts on this? Starkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportscars Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I don't think that by not censering your posts you should get the impression that TS, SAI, Mr. Shelby, Amy, any paid employee or any of the volunteer moderators support or condone any illegal activities. I dont want to speak for anyone particular but I believe the feeling is leave the policing up to the police. I guess one of the moderators and/or employees could say for sure. I don't really want people deleting posts unless they are considered fairly offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Morris Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I have never been told or have I seen a post removed because of street racing. Im with you. I dont think anyone should street race, but not talking about is NOT going to stop it from happening. Almost everytime someone posts about it theres just as many folks getting onto them for doing it as there are folks patting him on the back. Folks know the laws and should have enough sense not to break them, but I know the speed limit is 70 and I got a piece of paper to prove I ran faster than that (86 MPH) Not racing, but just as dangerous. Drive them like you stole em, but have some common sense! Your NOT the only soul on the road!!! MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbypowered Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I don't think that by not censering your posts you should get the impression that TS, SAI, Mr. Shelby, Amy, any paid employee or any of the volunteer moderators support or condone any illegal activities. I dont want to speak for anyone particular but I believe the feeling is leave the policing up to the police. I guess one of the moderators and/or employees could say for sure. I don't really want people deleting posts unless they are considered fairly offensive. It is against the law to street race and totally legal to drag race- police will police street racing and are at the best at a drag race for crowd control. Now with that in mind the street racing posts are from story tellers with a bit of exageration built into the story but the little slips they give you at the track do not lie. The same car you beat on the street could well take you at the track. So for other than bullshitting I have no idea what a street race decides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frydguy79 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Just a question? Some websites dont let you post about street racing, so I had to ask. I personally dont condone it, too many people on the road that can be hurt or killed. There are way too many tracks to go let loose on legally and safely for me to even think why anybody would take that chance with their own lives and especially the innocent lives of people just driving down the road. Any thoughts on this? Starkie drugs are illegal to but look how many idiots break that law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckstang Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Here is an honest opinion from a younger member. There will always be street racing no mater what but with that said, communites and the goverment don't help us guys/gals that love to race and even do so safely and legally because there are just not enough facilities around. For me, I have one pretty lousey drag stip about 2 hours away. They need more places built for those to test their cars and their own skills whether it be an autocross course, drag strip, slalom, braking, handling. This would actually decrease the amount of accidents and death by taking many people off the street that may be swayed into a street race and moving it to a controlled and legal envirnment. But no, they rather build god dam casinos because it brings in revenue. I wish states would just let some rich person build one if they want, but there are just way too many laws that make it nearly impossible to open any type of race track. Friggin ridiculous Of course I live in New England so I am on the extreme side of bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpent Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 It is against the law to street race and totally legal to drag race- police will police street racing and are at the best at a drag race for crowd control. Now with that in mind the street racing posts are from story tellers with a bit of exageration built into the story but the little slips they give you at the track do not lie. The same car you beat on the street could well take you at the track. So for other than bullshitting I have no idea what a street race decides. So true. "Street kill" internet stories are the biggest crock of shit. It's always "I came across X car on the highway. He revved at me, so we took it up to Y MPH. I had him by Z car lengths then I let off. He then sped by me. I guess he couldn't acknowledge he got beat by N car." followed by 30 "Great kill!" posts like this guy is some kind of war hero. Plus you never see people posting when they get their doors blown off. <_< Then when the guy goes to the strip and lays down a shitty time, it's all: "I had clutch problems" "The track was really slick" "I was taking it easy" "I had a lot of fuel in the car" "It was humid" "The engine was heat-soaked" "I'm running a conservative tune" "If I just knocked a second off my 60-ft. I woulda had a great time" "I could only get in a couple runs" "My tires weren't hooking up" "I was just having fun" "It's not a drag car" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiefferGT500 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 :beatdeadhorse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiaCobra Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Ok, I don't advocate street racing but...have i've done it? You bet your ass I did....and will continue to do it. I make a decision based on my surroundings at the time. If it's an open road with no danger to other cars or cross traffic, I will take a chance. flame me all you want but.....I'll bet my mortgage that there's not a single person here that has never KNOWINGLY broken a "Vehicle and traffic" law. Hell, I break on nearly every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Canfield Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Many of you make some good common sense points. Street racing happens. People will talk about street racing. People here may even participate in street racing. Now for the relality check: I'm a moderator on another Mustang oriented forum. We strictly forbid discussion of street racing on the site. Most of the membership abides by that rule, and when they don't that's when I come into play. I don't like being a fuddy duddy, I don't like crushing peoples chest thumping victory rants, but I do it for a reason. People do get hurt and or killed doing it. We're not going to condone it, and by allowing the discussion of it is condoning the actions, even if it is in an indirect fashion. So, from a self-serving point of view, we turn away from it. From a point of view of the brain trust of our site, it protects us from the posibilites of guilt from a litigious point should the unthinkable happen and a member kill, be killed, or injure or be injured in such an event. The world we live in is very much ruled by lawyers, insurance companies and people who are looking to make a quick buck. To protect our site, and our membership, we do not allow it...at all. Now you know why. It might be a good time for the good people who make the rules here to take a good look at such things, and make the changes that could be needed to make this a long running destination fo rthose who are looking to participate in the Shelby community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I engage in "spirited driving" often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICK82 Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Many of you make some good common sense points. Street racing happens. People will talk about street racing. People here may even participate in street racing. Now for the relality check: I'm a moderator on another Mustang oriented forum. We strictly forbid discussion of street racing on the site. Most of the membership abides by that rule, and when they don't that's when I come into play. I don't like being a fuddy duddy, I don't like crushing peoples chest thumping victory rants, but I do it for a reason. People do get hurt and or killed doing it. We're not going to condone it, and by allowing the discussion of it is condoning the actions, even if it is in an indirect fashion. So, from a self-serving point of view, we turn away from it. From a point of view of the brain trust of our site, it protects us from the posibilites of guilt from a litigious point should the unthinkable happen and a member kill, be killed, or injure or be injured in such an event. The world we live in is very much ruled by lawyers, insurance companies and people who are looking to make a quick buck. To protect our site, and our membership, we do not allow it...at all. Now you know why. It might be a good time for the good people who make the rules here to take a good look at such things, and make the changes that could be needed to make this a long running destination fo rthose who are looking to participate in the Shelby community. Lighten up Francis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Kiser 3339 Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Many of you make some good common sense points. Street racing happens. People will talk about street racing. People here may even participate in street racing. Now for the relality check: I'm a moderator on another Mustang oriented forum. We strictly forbid discussion of street racing on the site. Most of the membership abides by that rule, and when they don't that's when I come into play. I don't like being a fuddy duddy, I don't like crushing peoples chest thumping victory rants, but I do it for a reason. People do get hurt and or killed doing it. We're not going to condone it, and by allowing the discussion of it is condoning the actions, even if it is in an indirect fashion. So, from a self-serving point of view, we turn away from it. From a point of view of the brain trust of our site, it protects us from the posibilites of guilt from a litigious point should the unthinkable happen and a member kill, be killed, or injure or be injured in such an event. The world we live in is very much ruled by lawyers, insurance companies and people who are looking to make a quick buck. To protect our site, and our membership, we do not allow it...at all. Now you know why. It might be a good time for the good people who make the rules here to take a good look at such things, and make the changes that could be needed to make this a long running destination fo rthose who are looking to participate in the Shelby community. I too moderate a mustang forum. matter of fact two of them. These stories of street racing are not condoned by either site. But they don't censor them either. I guess you moderate a very strict forum. Dont think I agree with that btw. I guess everybody has a choice of not to click on the subject to encourage such behavior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiaCobra Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 How can a web site be held liable for street racing? That is the most rediculous thing i've heard to date. Sounds like people are scared of their 1st Amendment rights to free speech. Oh, before you say it, I know the web site is "privately owned".......just can't see how they'd be responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Canfield Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Sorry if you feel we 'over' moderate, but the site is over 6 years old, with over 1 million posts and a very active membership. We also do not allow political, religious or sexually explicit threads there. We try to keep the level family friendly, so that anyone can view any subject without fear of what a child or other member might see. You may think of it as political correctness, we tend to believe it is a case of have good values and common sense. I am not here to impose our rules here, that's for others to decide. I just think a free for all (which this place is not), such as other forums I've seen which call themselves Mustang oriented and seem to be dedicated to the F-word and photos of naked women, is something that takes away from us all and should be avoided. I just find that often when there is a tendency to give a little rope in a thread that crosses the line of the forum rules, there are those few, and it is always the same ones, who manage to cross those boundaries by leaps and bounds given half a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Canfield Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 How can a web site be held liable for street racing? That is the most rediculous thing i've heard to date. Sounds like people are scared of their 1st Amendment rights to free speech. Oh, before you say it, I know the web site is "privately owned".......just can't see how they'd be responsible. Why take the chance? Read what I wrote. That are way too many people out there who are going to try to find a way to place blame on someone else, and an open forum would be an easy target in such a situation. My girlfriend is a lawyer and my sister is a judge. I know how these things go. Don't fool yourself into thinking it can't happen. And yes it is privately owned, we just don't want it shut down or owned by someone else due to the stuipidity of the few, or the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICK82 Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Sorry if you feel we 'over' moderate, but the site is over 6 years old, with over 1 million posts and a very active membership. We also do not allow political, religious or sexually explicit threads there. We try to keep the level family friendly, so that anyone can view any subject without fear of what a child or other member might see. You may think of it as political correctness, we tend to believe it is a case of have good values and common sense. I am not here to impose our rules here, that's for others to decide. I just think a free for all (which this place is not), such as other forums I've seen which call themselves Mustang oriented and seem to be dedicated to the F-word and photos of naked women, is something that takes away from us all and should be avoided. I just find that often when there is a tendency to give a little rope in a thread that crosses the line of the forum rules, there are those few, and it is always the same ones, who manage to cross those boundaries by leaps and bounds given half a chance. Nothing wrong with naked women or the F-word. Think you need the reality check bud, crack open a beer, better yet smoke a joint and live a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbypowered Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I engage in "spirited driving" often. Shame on you Grabber- I am shocked! The only thing that could make you head down this road of sin is the stops you make at Starbucks. When your punch card runs out you will be back to the straight and narrow- Starbucks plus GT 500 equal spirited driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSURB Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Sorry if you feel we 'over' moderate, but the site is over 6 years old, with over 1 million posts and a very active membership. We also do not allow political, religious or sexually explicit threads there. We try to keep the level family friendly, so that anyone can view any subject without fear of what a child or other member might see. You may think of it as political correctness, we tend to believe it is a case of have good values and common sense. I am not here to impose our rules here, that's for others to decide. I just think a free for all (which this place is not), such as other forums I've seen which call themselves Mustang oriented and seem to be dedicated to the F-word and photos of naked women, is something that takes away from us all and should be avoided. I just find that often when there is a tendency to give a little rope in a thread that crosses the line of the forum rules, there are those few, and it is always the same ones, who manage to cross those boundaries by leaps and bounds given half a chance. Now I remember why I continue to spend less and less time on TS. What a tool. HSURB® Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I am not here to impose our rules here, that's for others to decide. :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Shame on you Grabber- I am shocked! The only thing that could make you head down this road of sin is the stops you make at Starbucks. When your punch card runs out you will be back to the straight and narrow- Starbucks plus GT 500 equal spirited driving. :happy feet: Love this car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiaCobra Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Sorry if you feel we blah blah blah blah........ What site do you moderate? I want to make sure I never become a member there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Canfield Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Edit: It's obvious that nothing I say or do will make a difference here. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICK82 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 What site do you moderate? I want to make sure I never become a member there. Yah I'd like to know too please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 We are all adults here for the most part. Let's take a chill pill and think about this for a moment. Most of us like going out in our cars and pushing the GO pedal down to make the blower whine. We often do this on the on ramps and at freeway merge ramps and out on the open freeway. Every once in a while we even do it on a highway. In fact sometimes we are at a stop light when another car pulls along side and no one else is around...so we see what happens when the light turns green. Most all of us know when to let off if safety becomes an issue. Some don't and never will. Such is life. This thread asks if TS condones Street racing. Well the answer is No. That's not rocket science. Duh. Should we not allow folks to talk about their experiences in there cars? I don't think so. Most all of us have recieved a speeding ticket or 2 and most of us learn from that experience. Most of us also learn from other mistakes that other people have made as well. This is not "some other site" this is TS and we welcome open discussion with out personal jabs to one another. So lets lightin up on the moderator from "some other site". They can have their own rules and be as strict as they want. Sometimes you have to remember what your mom told you when you were a kid: "if you don't have anything nice to say....don't say it at all". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiaCobra Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Grabber, true but......i'm tired of being preached to. I'm an adult and made it this far. I don't need someone telling me I can't drive past the 55 MPH mark in my 500+ HP car that can go over 150mph and shouldn't be talking about it on some web site. I guess he's a model citizen who never breaks the VTL. All I know is, 50 years from now, I want to buy his car !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICK82 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 My older sister is a lawyer. I can't stand her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frydguy79 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 i give a rats ass about what other people think.................. i bought my car to drive any friggin way i want...................... you dont like it tough shit........................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewheelman Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hmmm, "spirited driving"? Yeah, that's the ticket! That's what I engage in, "spirited driving" I can't help it if the guy in the next lane is doign the same!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdragoo Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Why take the chance? Read what I wrote. That are way too many people out there who are going to try to find a way to place blame on someone else, and an open forum would be an easy target in such a situation. My girlfriend is a lawyer and my sister is a judge. I know how these things go. Don't fool yourself into thinking it can't happen.And yes it is privately owned, we just don't want it shut down or owned by someone else due to the stuipidity of the few, or the one. It's not a moderators job to police street racing. Get real. If you post tech tips, and someone's car falls on them while they are underneath it, are you going to pull that post too because you're afraid of getting sued? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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