NICK82 Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Is it true they are going to put an aluminum block in the 2011? Big fan of 2010 but want to wait if it's true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat501 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Just read a post on another forum from a very well known GT500 mod shop that they already have an aluminum 2011 block for R&D purposes. Doesn't mean that it definitely will happen, but it sounds like that is the plan at this point. About a year ago this same shop let the cat out of the bag about the return of Grabber Blue and wha-laa the 2010 model offers Grabber Blue BTW, they also said they will soon be receiving a 2011 GT and V6 model with the new motor. :happy feet: If the 2011 GT get the 400HP Coyote motor it would make sense to upgrade the GT500 too in some way, maybe with an aluminum block perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver08elly Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 The shop is Evo and they posted the same thing in the tech threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 What are the benifits of having the alum block? I know it's 70 pounds lighter, but what else is better? Will it last longer? Will it take abuse better? Does it cost less to work on? In a 500 HP car you will never feel the 70 pounds lighter in the seat of your pants on the street. Yes I know the quarter mile time will improve by 1/2 second, but I'm just wondering what other benifits this change has to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver08elly Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 What are the benifits of having the alum block? I know it's 70 pounds lighter, but what else is better? Will it last longer? Will it take abuse better? Does it cost less to work on? In a 500 HP car you will never feel the 70 pounds lighter in the seat of your pants on the street. Yes I know the quarter mile time will improve by 1/2 second, but I'm just wondering what other benifits this change has to offer. I asked jared the same thing in his thread about teh rebuild. He said it can hold more horsey. Thing about that is im startin to see that i dont need all the power on the street and might be done when i hit 6 at the wheels. I dont wanna go to a track cuz if somethin goes wrong and me and the wall become close friends, insurance is a no go. Lots of decisions to make. But ya back to topic. Holds more power aparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICK82 Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I asked jared the same thing in his thread about teh rebuild. He said it can hold more horsey. Thing about that is im startin to see that i dont need all the power on the street and might be done when i hit 6 at the wheels. I dont wanna go to a track cuz if somethin goes wrong and me and the wall become close friends, insurance is a no go. Lots of decisions to make. But ya back to topic. Holds more power aparently. That's why you only race on the street, where you are insured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXPcustom Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 I get in arguments all the time about aluminum blocks. People always argue its 70 pounds lighter and thats it but they are very wrong. They just say buy aluminum rims and that will reduce the weight just as much. Weight reduction is one thing but the location of where the weight is reduced is critical to handling as well as performance. The other thing is Aluminum dissapates heat better than cast iron. Matched with Aluminum heads you are looking at overall increased performance in the top and bottom end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprint200 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 What are the benifits of having the alum block? I know it's 70 pounds lighter, but what else is better? Will it last longer? Will it take abuse better? Does it cost less to work on? In a 500 HP car you will never feel the 70 pounds lighter in the seat of your pants on the street. Yes I know the quarter mile time will improve by 1/2 second, but I'm just wondering what other benifits this change has to offer. The place where this weight difference shows up the most is in steering response; handling. And yes 70 pounds is huge when it is on the very front end of the car. Our Terlingua is actually almost 500 pounds lighter than the GT500's and it's all in the engine bay. The handling characteristics are absolutely night and day. I would drive the Terlingua in town every day (except that it's not mine ) because of how much fun it is to turn corners in this thing. Now 70 pounds won't be nearly that dramatic, but you WILL feel it in the steering wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuietShelby Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 What are the benifits of having the alum block? I know it's 70 pounds lighter, but what else is better? The Alum Block will disapat heat faster and run cooler in between hard runs. Will it last longer? Will it take abuse better? Does it cost less to work on? In a 500 HP car you will never feel the 70 pounds lighter in the seat of your pants on the street. Yes I know the quarter mile time will improve by 1/2 second, but I'm just wondering what other benifits this change has to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rarecat Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 That's why you only race on the street, where you are insured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckstang Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 What are the benifits of having the alum block? I know it's 70 pounds lighter, but what else is better? Will it last longer? Will it take abuse better? Does it cost less to work on? In a 500 HP car you will never feel the 70 pounds lighter in the seat of your pants on the street. Yes I know the quarter mile time will improve by 1/2 second, but I'm just wondering what other benifits this change has to offer. BETTER GAS MILEAGE! Detroit knows they have to keep hp up but mpg up as well and one way is to loose weight. If Ford goes to an Al 5.0L block, it would save 100 pounds off the nose. That's huge As a matter of fact, I've been playing around with the ol calculator to figure out what my payments would be if I traded for the 2011. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 The ALI block is also stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 BETTER GAS MILEAGE! Detroit knows they have to keep hp up but mpg up as well and one way is to loose weight. If Ford goes to an Al 5.0L block, it would save 100 pounds off the nose. That's huge As a matter of fact, I've been playing around with the ol calculator to figure out what my payments would be if I traded for the 2011. :D They are already building ALI 5.0 L engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckstang Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Oh, but is it know what size block Ford will use on the 2011 GT500? Will it retain its current 5.4L displacement? I am thinking the GT Mustang for 2011 will get an Al 5.0 400 hp N/a motor while the GT500 will get a fortified version of that 5.0L Al block motor with a blower and 500+ hp They will loose more weight if they not only switch to an Al block but go to a 5.0L vs 5.4L IMO, Id rather less weight and a stought 5.0L built for boost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver08elly Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 That's why you only race on the street, where you are insured. Damn skippy lol. See my ticket story on the shelby gt thread under your first ticket in.....u'll see why i have a hard time with that too! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NICK82 Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 I just wanna bury my face in an alluminum block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Anyone else think it is ironic how they are now planning to switch from an iron block to aluminum when back in 2003 they said the aluminum 4.6L Cobra block was not strong enough to handle supercharging? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 If you have an extra 4K to buy the block.....Pick one up. Ford racing sells it for the 5.4 now. http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_...tKeyField=10443 The Ford GT Super car has the Alum block in it. "The 5.4L powerplant is all-aluminum and fed by an Eaton screw-type supercharger. It features four-valve cylinder heads and forged components, including the crankshaft, H-beam connecting rods and aluminum pistons. The resulting power output is 550 horsepower and 500 foot-pounds of torque." Sean Hyland has a 5.4 alum block for 5K that is nice too. http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/gt500_...omponents.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m81mclaren Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 I just wanna bury my face in an alluminum block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Is it true they are going to put an aluminum block in the 2011? Big fan of 2010 but want to wait if it's true... You should wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrycp Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Sorry, BEAUTIFUL spring day and Miller Lite flowin... :happy feet: back to an earlier question, what's the big deal with an al block. I understand lighter (80lbs what I'm hearing) and stronger but for street drivers what does that really mean? Track I could see it, but street I'm not so sure. Even on track, an experienced driver with an iron block vs. a less experienced driver with an al block...you saying the less experienced driver with an al block has an advantage? what about cost? Won't the al block be more expensive? What's the cost/benifit of the al block for street driving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YZD263 Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Sorry, BEAUTIFUL spring day and Miller Lite flowin... :happy feet: back to an earlier question, what's the big deal with an al block. I understand lighter (80lbs what I'm hearing) and stronger but for street drivers what does that really mean? Track I could see it, but street I'm not so sure. Even on track, an experienced driver with an iron block vs. a less experienced driver with an al block...you saying the less experienced driver with an al block has an advantage? what about cost? Won't the al block be more expensive? What's the cost/benifit of the al block for street driving? It's not just the weight (80lbs won't dramatically change the power to weitht ratio), but rather where the weight is located. By shaving weight in the front, you bring the front/rear balance closer to 50-50 (I think it's 59-41 on a stock GT500 and about 55-45 on a Mustang GT). A nose heavy car will generally be slower to react to steering input and will tend to understeer. I agree though the benefit of having an aluminum block depend on how each individual uses his/her car. Those that use their cars on road courses will benefit the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 I have heard that the front end will be 110 pounds lighter. Also it sounds like the tranny will shed 50 pounds. It's gonna be interesting. This diet will not be cheap either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500-07 Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 I have heard that the front end will be 110 pounds lighter. Also it sounds like the tranny will shed 50 pounds. It's gonna be interesting. This diet will not be cheap either. thanks G, keep up the intel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggara Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Will 160lbs reduce the GG tax enough to offset some of the price increase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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