69dejavue Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 It can happen here too. Remember that obama supported the Washington DC total gun ban. This video is from England. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE> >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtkeith Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Gun control does NOT work...They are trying it here in Canada with no success. They will never control the guns that the criminals have and that is where the problem is and will always be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markham51 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 It can happen here too. Remember that obama supported the Washington DC total gun ban. This video is from England. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=yTq2NEUlhDE> >> For purposes of a good argument..... On Obama: Didn't he clarify his position on this during the campaign? I understand he came out in support of overturning the ban. On Tony Martin: As far as the Tony Martin case is concerned, it is 8 years old and Tony Martin was a bit of a nut job with connections to a Hitler/Aryan support group who believed by some accounts that certain ethnic groups should be lined up and machined gunned to death. Im of English ancestry myself and even i know the English can be a little....how do you say it...eccentric? At the time ....some tried to make this about gun ownership to support their policical agenda. Its not....the jury didn't convict Martin because he was some bloke who simply caught some people raiding his farm, they convicted him because they thought he acted irresponsibly and was a danger to the community. Different issue in my view. You know...guns dont kill people etc, etc. I support the right for citizens to own guns so they can protect themselves and their property but I think where a death is involved we have to be careful to sort out the normal law abiding citizens from the crazies and treat them accordingly. As far as Obama is concerned wether he changed his mind or he is simply changing his position I think you have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Or you can march on Washington to make your point. I would also admit that I have never lived in a community where I have felt personally threatened and so I understand the emotional side of this issue. Im a hunter and I believe that gun ownership should be legal (as long as you are not shooting Canadian geese unless they attack you first) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffIsHereToo Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 For purposes of a good argument..... On Obama: Didn't he clarify his position on this during the campaign? I understand he came out in support of overturning the ban. On Tony Martin: As far as the Tony Martin case is concerned, it is 8 years old and Tony Martin was a bit of a nut job with connections to a Hitler/Aryan support group who believed by some accounts that certain ethnic groups should be lined up and machined gunned to death. Im of English ancestry myself and even i know the English can be a little....how do you say it...eccentric? At the time ....some tried to make this about gun ownership to support their policical agenda. Its not....the jury didn't convict Martin because he was some bloke who simply caught some people raiding his farm, they convicted him because they thought he acted irresponsibly and was a danger to the community. Different issue in my view. You know...guns dont kill people etc, etc. I support the right for citizens to own guns so they can protect themselves and their property but I think where a death is involved we have to be careful to sort out the normal law abiding citizens from the crazies and treat them accordingly. As far as Obama is concerned wether he changed his mind or he is simply changing his position I think you have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Or you can march on Washington to make your point. I would also admit that I have never lived in a community where I have felt personally threatened and so I understand the emotional side of this issue. Im a hunter and I believe that gun ownership should be legal (as long as you are not shooting Canadian geese unless they attack you first) You will soon learn not to bother with reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormeaston Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 For purposes of a good argument..... On Obama: Didn't he clarify his position on this during the campaign? I understand he came out in support of overturning the ban. On Tony Martin: As far as the Tony Martin case is concerned, it is 8 years old and Tony Martin was a bit of a nut job with connections to a Hitler/Aryan support group who believed by some accounts that certain ethnic groups should be lined up and machined gunned to death. Im of English ancestry myself and even i know the English can be a little....how do you say it...eccentric? At the time ....some tried to make this about gun ownership to support their policical agenda. Its not....the jury didn't convict Martin because he was some bloke who simply caught some people raiding his farm, they convicted him because they thought he acted irresponsibly and was a danger to the community. Different issue in my view. You know...guns dont kill people etc, etc. I support the right for citizens to own guns so they can protect themselves and their property but I think where a death is involved we have to be careful to sort out the normal law abiding citizens from the crazies and treat them accordingly. As far as Obama is concerned wether he changed his mind or he is simply changing his position I think you have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Or you can march on Washington to make your point. I would also admit that I have never lived in a community where I have felt personally threatened and so I understand the emotional side of this issue. Im a hunter and I believe that gun ownership should be legal (as long as you are not shooting Canadian geese unless they attack you first) As I remember Klinton also made it clear before he was elected the first time that he and I quote " supported the right of the people to own firearms" and a year latter the Brady Bill was passed and the next day he went duck hunting, to show what a gun owner he was......what a turd. Obama has always been anti-gun and always will be, he just lied to get the fence sitters on his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpretzel Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Most guns used in crimes are illegal anyway. Making more gun laws will do nothing. It's like immigration. Enforce the laws already on the books and there's no need for new laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiaCobra Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Why does everyone (law makers that is) cease to recognize the criminal in all of this? How come the "Law Abiding" get punished with more rules, regulations, and laws? I can't think of the last time I robbed a 7-11.....well, that's because I never did !! Why should I be punished? How about passing a nice law that says "While in the commission of a crime, if a firearm is used, you'll be automatically charged with ....................(fill in the blank.) It's about time criminals pay for their crimes, not us law abiding folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILLEN Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Why does everyone (law makers that is) cease to recognize the criminal in all of this? How come the "Law Abiding" get punished with more rules, regulations, and laws? I can't think of the last time I robbed a 7-11.....well, that's because I never did !! Why should I be punished? How about passing a nice law that says "While in the commission of a crime, if a firearm is used, you'll be automatically charged with ....................(fill in the blank.) It's about time criminals pay for their crimes, not us law abiding folks. Thats already the case in California I am pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiaCobra Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Thats already the case in California I am pretty sure. While you may be correct, the point i'm trying to make is....why not avert the efforts of passing more stringent laws from the law abiding to those who insist on breaking the law? The emphasis should be on the punishment for those who use firearms illegally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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