shelbymotorsports Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Well that didn't take long. The 1989 CSX X7 prototype that was "sold" at the January 2008 Barrett Jackson auction is back up for auction at the October 2008 Barrett Jackson auction. The auction description, copied below, is a little misleading regarding the extra head and they are erroneously using 1987 CSX specs for this car. I'll be attending the auction so expect more details on this car. Steve Bought from Carroll Shelby with an autographed hood and photo documentation. Used in the development of the Shelby CSX program. Has the Shelby prototype #HP42213X7 on a Shelby tag affixed under the hood. Sold on a Bill of Sale and is not street legal. This Shelby CSX was a prototype used in the development of the Shelby CSX program with Chrysler. This amazing piece of Carroll Shelby history was purchased directly from Shelby at his "Garage Sale" in Newport Beach, California, in 1994. After the sale, Shelby signed the hood with a screwdriver that is documented with photos. Shelby had all of the Vehicle Identification Numbers removed prior to the sale and the car carries only the Shelby Prototype number HP42213X7 on a Shelby tag affixed under the hood. HP42213X7 runs and drives exceptionally with spectacular performance that surprised everyone but Carrroll Shelby. Included with the sale is a prototype aluminum head for the 2.2 Liter Shelby CSX. The 1988 Shelby CSX was introduced during the spring of 1987 and used most of the same suspension and brake upgrades as on the Lancer, but in a smaller, lighter package. The run of 750 cars had black with silver/gray air dam and lower body cladding. Blue insignia, a special grille opening, a boost gauge integrated into the dash, and painted insets in the Centurion wheels set this car off as subtle, but its performance was far from it. This user-friendly performance car won praise from those who drove it fast - especially those who had gotten used to the vices of the faster GLHS - quick reactions weren't necessary to keep a driver out of trouble on a bumpy track at race speeds, and the brakes inspired confidence. "Motor Trend" ran a press car up to top speed for a test and clocked it at 148 mph - a figure that today begs more questions than it answers. ***SOLD ON A BILL OF SALE and IS NOT STREET LEGAL*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 i saw that also i wonder if it will go for a better price this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 i saw that also i wonder if it will go for a better price this time around. Wow greaser you sure are optimistic :P I'm thinking its back because of its January "selling" price being too high. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Wow greaser you sure are optimistic :P I'm thinking its back because of its January "selling" price being too high. Steve lol im just hoping that some day these car snobs will pull there heads out and start taking notice of the shelby dodges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 people give me weird looks when i tell them i wont modify my CSX and plan on puting all kinds of mods on my SGT they just dont get that there were only 500 ever made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black86glhs Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Has it sold yet? Inquiring minds want to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Has it sold yet? Inquiring minds want to know! Nope still a couple of weeks away. Don't worry I'll be sure to post the details. Still haven't decided if I will bid on it again. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black86glhs Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 Nope still a couple of weeks away. Don't worry I'll be sure to post the details. Still haven't decided if I will bid on it again. Steve OK Steve. Which auction is it for sale at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 OK Steve. Which auction is it for sale at? The Las Vegas Barrett Jackson auction. October 16-18th at the Mandalay Bay casino. Come on out and join us B) Steve PS- You can see pics and the description of the car at www.barrett-jackson.com I tried to link directly to the car but the link didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black86glhs Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Lord knows I would love to, but.....lol. Besides, I'de buy something and then be too scared to come back home and tell my wonderful wife what I did. I'de have to stay with someone for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingram4868 Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Lord knows I would love to, but.....lol. Besides, I'de buy something and then be too scared to come back home and tell my wonderful wife what I did. I'de have to stay with someone for a while. Maybe this can help. Honey you know how much fun I get from my cars and attending car events, so, I bought this special car for you so that we can spend more time together in this hobby. If that doesn't work get an electric blanket for the garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black86glhs Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Maybe this can help. Honey you know how much fun I get from my cars and attending car events, so, I bought this special car for you so that we can spend more time together in this hobby. If that doesn't work get an electric blanket for the garage. After 15 yrs of marraige, I'll be getting the electric blanket. She knows my BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Got some new pics of the CSX this afternoon at the bidder preview event. I'll try to upload them asap but I don't have a photo editing program on my laptop to resize them. Barrett Jackson is having a private gala event this evening that I would like to go to so it may not be until Thursday or Friday before I can gets the pics up. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahmann Posted October 16, 2008 Report Share Posted October 16, 2008 Got some new pics of the CSX this afternoon at the bidder preview event. I'll try to upload them asap but I don't have a photo editing program on my laptop to resize them. Barrett Jackson is having a private gala event this evening that I would like to go to so it may not be until Thursday or Friday before I can gets the pics up. Steve Awesome can't wait to see it! I've really taken an interest in the Dodge's these past few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Wow greaser you sure are optimistic :P I'm thinking its back because of its January "selling" price being too high. Steve Well, well, well, I just don't know what to say right now. The CSX went across the block this afternoon and I'm still not sure what went down so I'll get right to it............ the gavel went down and the winning bid was $30,000 Yes you read that right, THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS. I have video of the auction and will post it asap along with some additional pics. I also have plenty to say on the selling price but will probably let it sink in for awhile before commenting on it. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Well lets start out with the obvious, the final gavel of $30,000 I still don't know what to make of this record setting price for any Shelby Dodge car. Don't forget this car was "sold" back in Janaury by the same seller for $8500 at the Scottsdale BJ auction. So the first question is how does a no reserve sale for $8,500 back in January equal a $30k sale now. I do know that at one time BJ would let sellers "buy back" their car after the auction closed for the next higher bid but I was under the assumption this buy back scenario was stopped several years back. So I'm curious how the owner/seller retained ownership of the car when it was sold in January. Keep in mind that the seller of this CSX works for Barrett Jackson so at the minimum his car gets special treatment above a normal seller. For example just like Scottsdale his CSX was displayed promiently up front here in Vegas so almost every spectator had to walk by it during the preview. Also since the seller/owner works for BJ he was able to go on stage and talk about his car before the bidding started. That's something the other sellers didn't get. The owner/seller was also able to pause the bidding so he could fluff up the sales pitch when bidding slowed. You'll be able to see all this when I get the video up on you tube. The video I took is interesting as the seller makes a few statements that just aren't true about the cars speed, what it was used for and how he obtained it. Steve PS-I'll make some additional posts later about the cars condition and what has changed since January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdac guy Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Simply amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I was going to say in the other topic that I thought it was high. Do you know who the buyer was and was there a good amount of competition - were there really two buyers that wanted the car??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I was going to say in the other topic that I thought it was high. Do you know who the buyer was and was there a good amount of competition - were there really two buyers that wanted the car??? It was hard to pay attention and record the video at the same time. I'm sure by studying the video we will get a better idea on the bid increments but at the end yes it was two bidders. We're heading back to the Mandalay right now. Tony I'll ty to get some pics of that BJ Shelby inside the casino surrounded by BJ branded slot machines. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 A little off topic, but what was the top auction selling price of a 1986 GLH-S? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 see thats what i am talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 A little off topic, but what was the top auction selling price of a 1986 GLH-S? Robert as far as I know no GLHS's have gone across a public live auction like B-J before. The best guesstimate I can give you off the top of my head for a top selling GLHS would be around $15k on ebay for a low mile original GLHS. I may be forgetting about some other GLHS sales so I'll update this if I recall another higher sale. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86glhs76 Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 I've seen around 9,000 on Ebay for a nice stocker and 15,000 for one with mods. The GLHS just hasn't hit garage decoration stage yet. There was an auction in the middle east where one was said to go for 70,000. That sale had quite a thread at TD.com. As most younger people I know (workers) they do not think a 2 door car looks good. Most believe my 70 R/T SE Challenger looks good but my 89 CSX looks ten times better, and the same people would rather have the 86 GLHS because it has 4 doors. Most just flat out don't like V8 cars.... So as these people get older and remember seeing the origanal muscle compacts, there worth will be going up. My dads ages group in there 60's and 70's aren't as intrested in cars as they once were and even muscle cars are on the way down as that generation is going away. So ask your self what a 20 year old kid today will pay big bucks for when he is 30-40. A V8 they can't stand driving or a great limited turbo 4? On the youth note I bought my kids, 2 13 year olds a 85 GLH turbo for a first car. Very intrested in what goes on in my shop they have been taking it appart and learning what everything is along the way. I let them help me do my cars, then they work on there car on there own. They have no intrest in the Challenger so those cars will be going away soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 The "free" wi-fi the hotel offers here in Vegas basically sucks so you'll guys will have to wait until Monday/Tuesday before I can get the auction video uploaded. Here are a couple of pics of the CSX in the preview area. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greaser Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 man i have to get my a$$ in gear and restore mine they are so damn nice looking. and i see some of the wrong info given that you were talking about ie discribing the 87 insted of the 88. and im not sure about that top end # i would like to see the mag with that info in it. man i have to get my a$$ in gear and restore mine they are so damn nice looking. and i see some of the wrong info given that you were talking about ie discribing the 87 insted of the 88. and im not sure about that top end # i would like to see the mag with that info in it. The radar gun displayed 148MPH. The tach read 6100 RPM and the speedo was at 5MPH. Between the 5.0 LX Mustang @142MPH and the 240HP Camaro IROC Z 350 @ 149MPH. The CSX likely had the Stage II logic module since the test vehicle came directly from Shelby autos. Isn't the rev limiter lower than 6100 on a Stage I? 300 pounds lighter than the Mustang and Camaro with nearly the same power should be close. The 380HP ZR1 won the top speed contest @ 181MPH. The radar gun displayed 148MPH. The tach read 6100 RPM and the speedo was at 5MPH. Between the 5.0 LX Mustang @142MPH and the 240HP Camaro IROC Z 350 @ 149MPH. The CSX likely had the Stage II logic module since the test vehicle came directly from Shelby autos. Isn't the rev limiter lower than 6100 on a Stage I? 300 pounds lighter than the Mustang and Camaro with nearly the same power should be close. The 380HP ZR1 won the top speed contest @ 181MPH. Depends on what year CSX they were testing (which you don't say above). The display in the windshield of the car (as pictured) claims this was an 88 CSX prototype (which it isn't) and claims the 88 models were built in the spring of 1987 (which they weren't). So for accuracy, the 1987 CSX with the Stage II module could possibly make the numbers you quote. The 1988 CSX-T with a bone stock T1 engine would never get near those numbers, and I don't believe the 1989 CSX-VNT would ever get there either as the VNT is pretty much out of breath by about 5500 rpm. It certainly could never pull 6100 rpm in 5th gear, it would have a hard time doing that in 1st gear. And there was never a Stage II module from Shelby for either the 1988 or 1989 CSX models. So as mentioned before, the details as displayed on the vehicle are full of inaccuracies, and the top speed for the car is still questionable. The statement about "raising more questions than it answers" is certainly true. It would be good to document which engine was in this particular car. From the underhood pic in the other thread it looks to me that it has a 1 piece intake manifold, so that rules out an 87 style T2 engine. but it could have been either an 89 style T2 or the T4 (VNT) which the 1989 CSX-VNT came with. Depends on what year CSX they were testing (which you don't say above). The display in the windshield of the car (as pictured) claims this was an 88 CSX prototype (which it isn't) and claims the 88 models were built in the spring of 1987 (which they weren't). So for accuracy, the 1987 CSX with the Stage II module could possibly make the numbers you quote. The 1988 CSX-T with a bone stock T1 engine would never get near those numbers, and I don't believe the 1989 CSX-VNT would ever get there either as the VNT is pretty much out of breath by about 5500 rpm. It certainly could never pull 6100 rpm in 5th gear, it would have a hard time doing that in 1st gear. And there was never a Stage II module from Shelby for either the 1988 or 1989 CSX models. So as mentioned before, the details as displayed on the vehicle are full of inaccuracies, and the top speed for the car is still questionable. The statement about "raising more questions than it answers" is certainly true. It would be good to document which engine was in this particular car. From the underhood pic in the other thread it looks to me that it has a 1 piece intake manifold, so that rules out an 87 style T2 engine. but it could have been either an 89 style T2 or the T4 (VNT) which the 1989 CSX-VNT came with. Sorry, it was an 1989 CSX supplied by Shelby Autos. Motor Trend June 1989 top speed shootout. Robert I recall that Motor Trend issue and have it in storage. I don't remember all the details but there is no way a 100% stock 1989 CSX will do 148mph so either the "test car" was modified or were they using a 1990 car? I'll try to dig up the magazine. Steve PS- I don't know about the rest of you but going 148mph in a P body kind of makes me nervous just thinking about it. A roll cage and 5 point harness might make me feel a little better. Edit: Here's some pics of that MT magazine I found on my hard drive. Can't read the text though so I'll have to go to my storage rental unit for the actual magazine. I recall that Motor Trend issue and have it in storage. I don't remember all the details but there is no way a 100% stock 1989 CSX will do 148mph so either the "test car" was modified or were they using a 1990 car? I'll try to dig up the magazine. Steve PS- I don't know about the rest of you but going 148mph in a P body kind of makes me nervous just thinking about it. A roll cage and 5 point harness might make me feel a little better. Edit: Here's some pics of that MT magazine I found on my hard drive. Can't read the text though so I'll have to go to my storage rental unit for the actual magazine. They said nothing bad about it at speed. They only mentioned it would hit the suspention stops. Some of the other cars they said were a bit scary at that speed such as the Mustang. The Mustang they said was all over the place and the Trans Am as well. I recall that Motor Trend issue and have it in storage. I don't remember all the details but there is no way a 100% stock 1989 CSX will do 148mph so either the "test car" was modified or were they using a 1990 car? I'll try to dig up the magazine. Steve PS- I don't know about the rest of you but going 148mph in a P body kind of makes me nervous just thinking about it. A roll cage and 5 point harness might make me feel a little better. Edit: Here's some pics of that MT magazine I found on my hard drive. Can't read the text though so I'll have to go to my storage rental unit for the actual magazine. When I used to own the '89 CSX I sold to Jeff, I had the opportunity to stretch it's legs a bit. It was a bone stock, low mile car in very good condition. I ran it up to 135+, it was still accelerating(albeit slowly) and actually felt pretty stable at those speeds. ive had mine to 115+ and it gets there and rides well you have to remember that shelby redid the suspension on these as well as the motors just as he does with his new older and new cars. i had a modified 88 shadow befor the csx and it was much quicker but real floaty after 110 or so where as the csx feels planted at high speeds. I recall that Motor Trend issue and have it in storage. I don't remember all the details but there is no way a 100% stock 1989 CSX will do 148mph so either the "test car" was modified or were they using a 1990 car? I'll try to dig up the magazine. Steve PS- I don't know about the rest of you but going 148mph in a P body kind of makes me nervous just thinking about it. A roll cage and 5 point harness might make me feel a little better. Edit: Here's some pics of that MT magazine I found on my hard drive. Can't read the text though so I'll have to go to my storage rental unit for the actual magazine. Having recently returned from the Bullrun event in Terlingua with my P body, It is indeed a white knuckler. Here's the article. They have the CSX on radar doing the 148mph but I can not tell from the pics which CSX they used or if it was a "ringer" car. Pretty impressive compared to the other cars. more. And more. Still more. And even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Ok now that I'm back home time for some details, some more pics and then some video. Not much changed with the car from it's "sale" back in January at the BJ Scottsdale auction. The owner of the car, Gary Bennett, works for Barrett Jackson and appears to have gotten some preferential treatment over other sellers. As I prviously mentioned he was able to park the CSX in tent one, row one, spot one for the auction preview. Basically you had to walk by the car to get to the other cars. It was also noted that his car was given almost 7 minutes on the auction stage compared to the average auction time of 3 minutes. As some of you recall Gary Bennett sold this car for $8500 at the No Reserve January 2008 Scottsdale auction. At that time I couldn't get the new owners name out of BJ although I tried. Then this summer we noticed the car appeared for sale on Craigs List by Mr Bennetts wife for something like $20-25k Which brings us up to this past weekend with Gary Bennett selling the car for $30k at the Las Vegas BJ auction. I still can not rationalize this $30k price no matter how many ways I look at it. Something just doesn't make sense. I will add though that if someone thinks this car is worth $30k then the B-day car is worth $100k Anyway back to the car. About the only changes I noticed is that the paint was polished and some of the black trim was hit with a rattle can. There was also a display board made with some pics and questionable details on the car. One of the display board pics shows Carroll etching his autograph into the hoods paint with what I'm guessing is a key. It will be interesting to see where this car pops up again. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Here's a short video clip of the CSX being driven to the staging lanes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLHS0136 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Here's a short video clip of the CSX being driven to the staging lanes. Looks good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbymotorsports Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 And finally what you all have been waiting for, here is the auction video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdac guy Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 And finally what you all have been waiting for, here is the auction video. I'm glad you posted all this here Steve, thanks. If I had seen this auction on TV, I would have gone over and slapped the TV on the side, thinking there was something wrong with it. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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