GenoTex Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Anyone (else) had/ have a clutch problem? Maybe not 'built up' to the 500HP standards, not beefy enough? Thanks. Mine had its first 'flat bed' ride today...hopefully the last too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB8SNK Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Anyone (else) had/ have a clutch problem? Maybe not 'built up' to the 500HP standards, not beefy enough? Thanks. Mine had its first 'flat bed' ride today...hopefully the last too! you will need more details if you want a response from anyone. Like year, noise, when. There have been some issues to trans in 07's and minor clutch in 07 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoTex Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 you will need more details if you want a response from anyone. Like year, noise, when. There have been some issues to trans in 07's and minor clutch in 07 as well. '08, 1800 miles... going through gears, shift got real 'stiff' then would not shift at all... when went out of 3rd, it went to neutral and stayed...pulled over... shut key off, back on, shifted (still very stiffly) into gear. At next stop, same thing, neutral only... rolled down, pulled over, key off...no change this time. called flatbed truck, waited, got the shifter to go into first... started car and it rolled forward (even with clutch engaged)... pulled over again, flat bed arrived. Still on flatbed at this time. Went to Ford for service. Mechanic there (who with his brother races stangs) says this clutch is not 'beefed up enough' for this kind of power. Says his brother went through four stock clutches... all i have to share for now...soooooooooooooooo anyone else? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpretzel Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 '08, 1800 miles... going through gears, shift got real 'stiff' then would not shift at all... when went out of 3rd, it went to neutral and stayed...pulled over... shut key off, back on, shifted (still very stiffly) into gear. At next stop, same thing, neutral only... rolled down, pulled over, key off...no change this time. called flatbed truck, waited, got the shifter to go into first... started car and it rolled forward (even with clutch engaged)... pulled over again, flat bed arrived. Still on flatbed at this time. Went to Ford for service. Mechanic there (who with his brother races stangs) says this clutch is not 'beefed up enough' for this kind of power. Says his brother went through four stock clutches... all i have to share for now...soooooooooooooooo anyone else?Thanks. I would have to say that your problem was probably a defect. The clutch in this car is very beefy. The mechanic is mistaken. I've beat the hell out of mine with no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanditSRT8 Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 I would have to say that your problem was probably a defect. The clutch in this car is very beefy. The mechanic is mistaken. I've beat the hell out of mine with no issues. True, what he has is a defect, this is not the norm. Plenty of guys running 100rwhp and MORE over stock with the stock clutch and no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoTex Posted May 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 True, what he has is a defect, this is not the norm. Plenty of guys running 100rwhp and MORE over stock with the stock clutch and no issues. Would anyone think it is anything other than the clutch? Thanks again for input Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of GT Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 Geno, do a search for the offical clutch and transmission forum. It's a giantic forum that contains a ton of information about the GT500 clutch defect and the symptoms that accompany it. Your clutch is defective, the mechanic at the dealership is 100% correct, and FoMoCo is about to release a Technicial Service Bulleton about the clutches and transmissions on GT500's. The stock clutches are not beefy enough to handle 500 H.P. and FoMoCo knows that. Most owners will have somesort of clutch/transmission failure between 15,000 and 20,000 miles. Mine went south of the border at 18K and others have lost theirs with even lower mileage than that. The failures are being covered under warranty so don't take any BS from your dealer. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRQuarto Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Maybe you have one of the early trannies before they found the problem with them and started using a slight variation? Grabber would know more about this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoTex Posted May 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Maybe you have one of the early trannies before they found the problem with them and started using a slight variation? Grabber would know more about this.... Mfg date 11/07... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of GT Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Mfg date 11/07... DING! DING! DING! You're a winner!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I have a new Tranny Clutch and flywheel. See my signature for build date. See this thread for info. http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12946 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddball Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 DING! DING! DING! You're a winner!!! Do you know what the cutoff date is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Do you know what the cutoff date is? On 6/7/07 they started installing the Teflon lube to the inputshafts and clutch hub's. All prior cars went together dry as a bone, and then rusted. Click on these to see my dry rusty clutch and tranny input shaft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 My new parts and lube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 The teflon lube: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 The TSB is not out as of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07-SHLB Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 DING! DING! DING! You're a winner!!! How can he be a winner if they began to correct the issue on 06-07-07? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMO-GT500 Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 because they only started putting in a modified tranny in early nov or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of GT Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 How can he be a winner if they began to correct the issue on 06-07-07? Because the issue goes beyond the June 2007 date. The 06-07-07 correction was/is a band-aid for the problem. Fundamentally, the components are inadquate to handle the H.P. and torque that the engine generates, and they begin to fail regardless of the build date. I have three friends here in Los Angeles that have cars assembled after June of 07, and they have had their drivetrains replaced due to failures. I have also had pointed conversations with Tremec engineers about this issue, and they all confirmed to me that from very early on, FoMoCo was flat out told by Tremec that the specified clutch and transmission components would not be able to handle the engine, but FoMoCo told Tremec to just ship the components as specified. As I posted here in another forum, all GT500 owners should be critical of how their clutches and transmissions perform as they approach the 12,000 mile warranty cutoff. Even though Ford is doing the right thing by honoring warranty replacements beyond that mileage cutoff, getting any problem identified and resolved before the mileage cutoff just makes the warranty process a slam dunk without any pushback at the dealer level which is where 99% of people are getting pushback from. Let me put it this way...I took my car into one dealer who advised me that FoMoCo told them that my car's clutch and transmission failure was my problem. So I took my car into another dealer who did not question the failure, took the car in and repaired it under warranty, and I found out later that the first dealer NEVER contacted FoMoCo and they were just trying to make me pay for the repairs in order to avoid another warranty claim and to garner a higher profit because warranty claims don't pay as much as retail does. As odd as it may sound to some, keeping your car a garage queen could end up costing you more in the long run. These cars need to be taken out and driven even if it just to shake the bugs out of them. If a owner chooses to keep the car's mileage low for future resale value, it might be the new owner that will have to spring for a new drivetrain when they start to put mileage on the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of GT Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 because they only started putting in a modified tranny in early nov or so. Yes, thank you sir, that is the other reason that I stated that Geno's car fell into the bucket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMO-GT500 Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Because the issue goes beyond the June 2007 date. The 06-07-07 correction was/is a band-aid for the problem. Fundamentally, the components are inadquate to handle the H.P. and torque that the engine generates, and they begin to fail regardless of the build date. I have three friends here in Los Angeles that have cars assembled after June of 07, and they have had their drivetrains replaced due to failures. I have also had pointed conversations with Tremec engineers about this issue, and they all confirmed to me that from very early on, FoMoCo was flat out told by Tremec that the specified clutch and transmission components would not be able to handle the engine, but FoMoCo told Tremec to just ship the components as specified. As I posted here in another forum, all GT500 owners should be critical of how their clutches and transmissions perform as they approach the 12,000 mile warranty cutoff. Even though Ford is doing the right thing by honoring warranty replacements beyond that mileage cutoff, getting any problem identified and resolved before the mileage cutoff just makes the warranty process a slam dunk without any pushback at the dealer level which is where 99% of people are getting pushback from. Let me put it this way...I took my car into one dealer who advised me that FoMoCo told them that my car's clutch and transmission failure was my problem. So I took my car into another dealer who did not question the failure, took the car in and repaired it under warranty, and I found out later that the first dealer NEVER contacted FoMoCo and they were just trying to make me pay for the repairs in order to avoid another warranty claim and to garner a higher profit because warranty claims don't pay as much as retail does. As odd as it may sound to some, keeping your car a garage queen could end up costing you more in the long run. These cars need to be taken out and driven even if it just to shake the bugs out of them. If a owner chooses to keep the car's mileage low for future resale value, it might be the new owner that will have to spring for a new drivetrain when they start to put mileage on the car. I've got a new clutch and the new style tranny in mine now, and it shifts like a dream. But I tell you, if any more issues pop up, I think I will just get away from the ford oem and put in some parts that I know will hold up well. I think it would be cheaper and less frustrating in the long run. john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of GT Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I've got a new clutch and the new style tranny in mine now, and it shifts like a dream. But I tell you, if any more issues pop up, I think I will just get away from the ford oem and put in some parts that I know will hold up well. I think it would be cheaper and less frustrating in the long run. john Me too John, me too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRQuarto Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I'll be swapping my tranny and clutch next weekend, but in the meantime I am teaching my girlfriend how to drive a standard so if she shreds the damn thing I won't be the least bit worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07-SHLB Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 because they only started putting in a modified tranny in early nov or so. Several people here said I was "Out Of The Woods" since my car was produced in late June of 2007, I guess I was really mis-informed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 Several people here said I was "Out Of The Woods" since my car was produced in late June of 2007, I guess I was really mis-informed! I thought Grabber said the new tranny started going in around 10/12/2007? I was able to get an oasis report pulled and I'm considering a 2008 coupe that was built on 10/15/2007. Should I stay away? Grabber can you tell me which date the new trannys started going and does that equate to build date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I thought Grabber said the new tranny started going in around 10/12/2007? I was able to get an oasis report pulled and I'm considering a 2008 coupe that was built on 10/15/2007. Should I stay away? Grabber can you tell me which date the new trannys started going and does that equate to build date? I have done some research on the new tranny date. Everything I know about it is posted in this thread: http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php...ic=23884&hl= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I have done some research on the new tranny date. Everything I know about it is posted in this thread: http://www.teamshelby.com/forums/index.php...ic=23884&hl= I've read that Grabber but there is conflicting information in some of the posts. Some owners reported the older trans but theirs were built in November 2007? I'm guessing the car near me with build date of 10/15/2007 has the older transmission. Rats!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambbo Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 My car has been at the dealer for 2 weeks and they still refuse to honor the warranty. As of today, the new after market clutch is in and it still won't go into gear. The pedal should have a breaking point toward the bottom of travel, Mine does not and didn't when I first contacted them about a problem. They refuse to admit there is a problem. I only have one item left to replace and thats the clutch master cylinder. It goes in on Monday. If that fixes the problem, Ford will have to belly up I hope. If anyone has more info they haven't or won't post, points of contact within Ford or the Field Engineers that approved the warranty repair, Please PM me. If warranty won't cover it, I'll be into the clutch for about $4k...... This really sucks!!! My car was built 11/3/06. The input shaft was rusty when the pulled the tranny. The way I understand it is the hydraulic systems are weak. A dual disk requires a minimum .400" travel to disengage the clutch. Ideal travel is .450". The rust was binding the disk and stopping them from traveling freely on the shaft, thus the requirement for the lube. I have asked the tech to give me the part number off the trans as well. And by the way, I never had a problem with the clutch slipping. Even the Master SVT tech got on it in second and all it did was bust the tires loose, same thing in 3rd and 4th!! Nothing I've done to this car would cause the clutch to burn up on 288/30-20's..... They get ZERO traction on the street!! I'm past the angry stage and now I'm just frustrated beyond belief... I want my car back and to keep my $4k!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 I've read that Grabber but there is conflicting information in some of the posts. Some owners reported the older trans but theirs were built in November 2007? I'm guessing the car near me with build date of 10/15/2007 has the older transmission. Rats!! Tremec was building Trannys in October. AAI had a boat load of the old trannys at Dearborn. AAI kept putting in all the old trannys until they were all used up. That most likely took a while since they had many skids of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted May 30, 2008 Report Share Posted May 30, 2008 My car has been at the dealer for 2 weeks and they still refuse to honor the warranty. As of today, the new after market clutch is in and it still won't go into gear. The pedal should have a breaking point toward the bottom of travel, Mine does not and didn't when I first contacted them about a problem. They refuse to admit there is a problem. I only have one item left to replace and thats the clutch master cylinder. It goes in on Monday. If that fixes the problem, Ford will have to belly up I hope. If anyone has more info they haven't or won't post, points of contact within Ford or the Field Engineers that approved the warranty repair, Please PM me. If warranty won't cover it, I'll be into the clutch for about $4k...... This really sucks!!! My car was built 11/3/06. The input shaft was rusty when the pulled the tranny. The way I understand it is the hydraulic systems are weak. A dual disk requires a minimum .400" travel to disengage the clutch. Ideal travel is .450". The rust was binding the disk and stopping them from traveling freely on the shaft, thus the requirement for the lube. I have asked the tech to give me the part number off the trans as well. And by the way, I never had a problem with the clutch slipping. Even the Master SVT tech got on it in second and all it did was bust the tires loose, same thing in 3rd and 4th!! Nothing I've done to this car would cause the clutch to burn up on 288/30-20's..... They get ZERO traction on the street!! I'm past the angry stage and now I'm just frustrated beyond belief... I want my car back and to keep my $4k!!!! Did you print this QSF and show it to them? What did they say about it? 20242 2007-2009 MUSTANG SHEBLY GT500 - CLUTCH DRAG SOME 2007-2009 MUSTANG SHELBY GT500 VEHICLES MAY EXHIBIT THE FOLLOWING CLUTCH/TRANS SYMPTOMS: HARD TO DISENGAGE OR ENGAGE 1ST AND REVERSE, HARD TO SHIFT ANY GEAR, GEAR GRINDING DURING SHIFTS ANY GEAR, VEHICLE CREEPS WITH TRANS IN GEAR AND CLUTCH PEDAL FULLY DEPRESSED, CLUTCH SLIPPAGE IN GEAR WITH CLUTCH PEDAL RELEASED, HISS NOISE WITH CLUTCH PEDAL FULLY DEPRESSED (HISS ON CLUTCH PEDAL RELEASE IS NORMAL). ENGINEERING IS CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING THIS CONDITION THROUGH THE QUICKER SERVICE FIX (QSF) PROCESS. TSB WITH NEW PARTS/PROCEDURE IS IN PROGRESS. MONITOR OASIS FOR UPDATES. EFFECTIVE DATE: 05/09/2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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