Bullitt 320 HP on premium,The chief engineer said it.

[07SHELBY GT]

 

 

[csm198]

All I can say is cooool

[ilmor]

Yeah, so when the Shelby GT was introduced they said 325 hp!! Then it became 319....

 

I do like the Bullit CAI - I bet that is what gets it the 1 extra HP.

[07SHELBY GT]

I figured I would post this link as it is all I have of the proof for 320HP on a permium fill up.I was pretty sure that I saw it in some literature somewhere but couldn't find it again.FWIW,They originally posted 325 HP for the Shelby GT,Them made an adjustment.Why they seem to cap these figures at 320 or so is beyond me.Why not put the Shelby at 320.If you look back over some of Fords early HP figures they are always quoting "odd" numbers.My 302 Mach1 in 1973 was listed as having 137 or so HP.I am wondering if the cap on the new cars is insurance related.They obviously couldn't fudge the GT500 figures to be anywhere near ours so that would be a moot point.I do know that 6 mos of full coverage for my 319HP SGT was $320,When I checked on it for the GT500 it was going to be $700+.OUCH!Might also have to do with the gas guzzler tax.No one can tell me why the Shelby at 23mpg highway has one but the Bullitt at 23 hwy does not.Only thing that comes to mind is Shelby requires premium and the Bullitt makes it's advertised horsepower on 87 octane.I'm still confused about that one!

[ilmor]

I figured I would post this link as it is all I have of the proof for 320HP on a permium fill up.I was pretty sure that I saw it in some literature somewhere but couldn't find it again.FWIW,They originally posted 325 HP for the Shelby GT,Them made an adjustment.Why they seem to cap these figures at 320 or so is beyond me.Why not put the Shelby at 320.If you look back over some of Fords early HP figures they are always quoting "odd" numbers.My 302 Mach1 in 1973 was listed as having 137 or so HP.I am wondering if the cap on the new cars is insurance related.They obviously couldn't fudge the GT500 figures to be anywhere near ours so that would be a moot point.I do know that 6 mos of full coverage for my 319HP SGT was $320,When I checked on it for the GT500 it was going to be $700+.OUCH!Might also have to do with the gas guzzler tax.No one can tell me why the Shelby at 23mpg highway has one but the Bullitt at 23 hwy does not.Only thing that comes to mind is Shelby requires premium and the Bullitt makes it's advertised horsepower on 87 octane.I'm still confused about that one!

 

The Bullit has a different ECM and tune (I think) than the Shelby GT, "adaptive performance", which allows it to run on regular fuel. If the Shelby GT could do that, I guess we would be 314 hp on regular, or so.

 

The 319 HP was established by the EPA. The EPA might have chosen another car or engine and gotten 320, or 318, or 321 but it just so happens that they got 319 so that's the number we're stuck with. This is my understanding anyway.

[DDT]

Think your splitting hairs on this one??????????

 

Not sure but my guess is it is the same FRPP CAI and TUNE?????????

[07SHELBY GT]

No hair splitting,Just trying to make sense of it.Reminds me of a song By Steelers Wheel."Clowns to the left of me,Jokers to the right!"You know trying to make sense of it all,And I see it makes no sense at all!

[my08stang]

I really would like what my 2008 Shelby GT HP really is too.

 

For insurance puposes they take in consideration the following :happy feet:

 

Color

Theft Rate

Replacement Cost

Engine size

Convertible or not

to name a few

[DDT]

No hair splitting,Just trying to make sense of it.Reminds me of a song By Steelers Wheel."Clowns to the left of me,Jokers to the right!"You know trying to make sense of it all,And I see it makes no sense at all!

 

Ya that describes visiting Dealers trying not to get "SCREWED" buying a car????

[69dejavue]

Amazing how so many people can watch the same video and see or hear something different. At one time Ol Shel announced the HP of the SGT at 340. But back to the video. All I saw was a very revealing low cut, tight dress. I guess the rest of you were looking at the engineers and listening to the exhaust.

[SWEDEMAN]

I say the Bullitt people go buy Bullitts and the Shelby GT people stay with the Shelby GT. I think Ford HAD to have the Bullitt @ 320 HP due to the SGT was 319, that is pure and true marketing at its best. Gotta love those liars oh I mean salesman/marketers oh I mean cheif engineers!

[07SHELBY GT]

I love em' both!I don't care what the factory rating is,That's what modifications are for!Both are good places to be!

[torquewrench1807]

I figured I would post this link as it is all I have of the proof for 320HP on a permium fill up.I was pretty sure that I saw it in some literature somewhere but couldn't find it again.FWIW,They originally posted 325 HP for the Shelby GT,Them made an adjustment.Why they seem to cap these figures at 320 or so is beyond me.Why not put the Shelby at 320.If you look back over some of Fords early HP figures they are always quoting "odd" numbers.My 302 Mach1 in 1973 was listed as having 137 or so HP.I am wondering if the cap on the new cars is insurance related.They obviously couldn't fudge the GT500 figures to be anywhere near ours so that would be a moot point.I do know that 6 mos of full coverage for my 319HP SGT was $320,When I checked on it for the GT500 it was going to be $700+.OUCH!Might also have to do with the gas guzzler tax.No one can tell me why the Shelby at 23mpg highway has one but the Bullitt at 23 hwy does not.Only thing that comes to mind is Shelby requires premium and the Bullitt makes it's advertised horsepower on 87 octane.I'm still confused about that one!

Off topic, but who insures your car for $320 for 6-mo full coverage? I pay GEICO $676.50.

[ShelbyII]

Ford Racing says an "Approximate increase of 20 horsepower" with the CAI used on the Bullitt and the same for the CAI used on the Shelby GT.

 

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_...tKeyField=10128

 

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_...rtKeyField=9286

 

The recent Motor Trend article gave the Shelby GT an extra 2 HP so it's probably safe to say 320 HP for the Bullitt with premium and the Shelby GT.

[07SHELBY GT]

Off topic, but who insures your car for $320 for 6-mo full coverage? I pay GEICO $676.50.

I have progressive,Am 37,and now my single rate is more like $400.Sorry,I forgot as that single part is new.Nice how they figur I'm going to get crazy now huh!I also have the higher limits of liability and $500 deductables.They claim I have the best rate they offer.I shopped around and so far they do.

[shelbytexan]

the bullit gets more horsepower because it doesn't have a lifting scoop.we should be getting air in the scoop and not under it.now that would get us to 325hp.

[DreamRide]

the bullit gets more horsepower because it doesn't have a lifting scoop.we should be getting air in the scoop and not under it.now that would get us to 325hp.

 

 

 

 

So for a 220 dollar gear change (4.10 Done myself) I can whip that Bullit anywhere, anytime right? And still look great doing it! :happy feet:

 

 

 

 

J/K ..........................

 

 

 

If i could afford it, i would have a Bullit parked right next to my Shelby, scoop and all.........

[mywickedshelby]

Bingo.......Glad you said it Dream.

And I dont care what the engineer says, get your car on a dyno and fix that garbage tune and MAYBE you'll have 320, but frankly I doubt it stock.

[2008ShelbyGT]

Carroll Shelby said the Shelby GT put out 340 hp in the LA Times article.

[2008ShelbyGT]

Carroll Shelby said the Shelby GT put out 340 hp in the LA Times article.

 

At 84, legendary Carroll Shelby keeps pedal to metal

 

Still rolling

 

Jay L. Clendenin / Los Angeles Times

 

Shelby, 84, sits at the wheel of one of his 1965 Shelby Cobras at his warehouse in Carson. The latest Shelby GT, which will sell for about $45,000, is "the best car out there for the money," he says, though underpowered at only 340 horsepower.

Among his varied pursuits, the renowned former racing driver and muscle car designer is preparing a new Mustang with his unmistakable imprint.

 

By Sam Blair, Special to The Times

 

December 29, 2007

 

The rock star of the automotive industry is a Texan who speeds through life with heart and kidney transplants, precious little vision in his left eye and a crooked right arm, the souvenir of a long-ago Mexican road race in which he missed a turn and struck a boulder.

 

At 84, he roars around the test track at 150 mph as casually as the normal human parks the family sedan in the garage. And Carroll Shelby is still refitting Mustang convertibles and coupes to produce distinctive vehicles that bear his name.

 

You can see the latest in showrooms as soon as Shelby's Las Vegas production facility puts the finishing touches on the Shelby GT. The 2,300 cars are going to sell for about $45,000 each, but the price may rise because demand is so great.

 

"It's a damn good car -- the best car out there for the money right now," Shelby said. In his mind, though, it's not perfect, with just 340 horsepower.

 

"I'd like for it to have about 300 more," he said, "but with government regulations we have to be careful about insurance rates going up."

 

This baby has come a long way from the mid-1960s. That's when old friend Lee Iacocca called, just after Shelby's first Ford race car, the legendary Cobra, beat Ferrari and the rest of Europe's best at Le Mans. Iacocca asked him to design a competitive Mustang. Shelby, who was living in Los Angeles and operating his thriving Shelby American plant near Los Angeles International Airport, reluctantly agreed to try.

 

"It was practically impossible to take a little secretary's car that sold for $2,395 and turn it into something that would go out and win races," Shelby recalled.

 

But he did it. "Ford had a V8 engine I thought we could hop up. Then I asked my friend John Bishop at Sports Car Club of America what he thought I ought to do with the chassis. He said I ought to put bigger brakes on it, take the rear seats out and change to a much stiffer suspension."

 

Result: The first Shelby GT Mustang. Ford released it in mid-1965 and sold 500 or so, and buyers were delighted.

 

A three-time U.S. auto racing champion in the '50s and international headliner as well, Shelby was Sports Illustrated's driver of the year in 1956 and '57 and capped his competitive career by winning the Le Mans 24-hour endurance race in '59, driving for Aston-Martin. That's when his heart told him it was time to quit racing -- although he was only 36 -- and pursue his foremost goal of auto design.

 

"My heart went south on me when I won Le Mans and I had to take about 15 nitroglycerin tablets," he said. "That ain't no way to drive a race car. That's the way to a sudden finish."

 

Today Shelby is something of a miracle of medical science. In 1990, at age 67, he was told he had two weeks to live before he received a heart transplant at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center. Shelby said the donor was a 34-year-old man in great shape "who dropped dead shooting craps in Las Vegas."

 

"By May 1991 I was driving the pace car at the Indianapolis 500. Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, just back from Iraq, was grand marshal and I drove him around the track once at 150 mph. Later, he found out I'd had a heart transplant. He said, 'I had a couple of close calls in Desert Storm but nothing like that ride.' "

 

(In October 1991, Shelby made good on a pledge he'd made to "put enough back in," after seeing kids die on either side of him in intensive care. He founded the Carroll Shelby Children's Foundation, which has raised millions of dollars to help children with acute coronary and kidney needs. The foundation, bolstered by hundreds of thousands of dollars donated by fans after auctioning off their classic Cobras and Mustangs, sends Shelby's surgeon, Dr. Alfredo Trento, on an annual two-week trip to treat desperately ill children in South America.)

 

Shelby has another donor in son Mike, who in '96 gave his dad a kidney. Mike Shelby, a Dallas oilman, is 60 and marvels at his father's energy.

 

"He has always kept a schedule that would exhaust me," Mike said.

 

Shelby never has been bored. Besides racing and designing about 140 vehicles, his pursuits include flying planes, hunting elephants in Africa, farming chickens, inventing, breeding exotic cattle, cooking and overseeing a couple of dozen businesses as chairman of Carroll Shelby International.

 

A five-star chili fanatic, he was one of the founders of the famed Terlingua International Chili Championship in the Big Bend country of West Texas.

 

Shelby and Dallas attorney David Witts had bought 150,000 acres and a ghost town, and in '67 they were trying to sell the whole spread.

 

"Dave went to Tom Tierney, who had done PR for Ford in Dallas, and Tom came up with the chili cook-off," Shelby said. "We had H. Allen Smith [author-humorist] and Wick Fowler [veteran journalist and chili buff] as cooks. Frank X. Tolbert of the Dallas Morning News [author of 'A Bowl of Red'] got involved and did a great job for us. But we had 300 press people there. That's the kind of PR guy Tom Tierney was.

 

"Everybody stayed in this ol' ranch house for three days. All it was was an adult Woodstock. I had to send my DC-3 to El Paso twice to load up with booze," Shelby said.

 

Shelby and his fifth wife, Cleo, live in three homes in the U.S. Their Los Angeles residence sits on a Bel-Air hilltop with views of downtown, Catalina Island, Mt. Baldy, Long Beach and the basin. They also have a home in Las Vegas, but he considers their permanent residence to be his East Texas ranch at Pittsburg, just down the road from tiny Leesburg, "where I started and probably where I'll end up."

 

And where his eternal love of speed began.

 

"As a small boy I rode with my dad in his 1928 Whippet on dusty East Texas roads while he delivered his rural mail route. I'd stand on the floorboard on the right so I could see through the windshield. I'd yell, 'Let's go faster, Daddy!' "

 

The Shelbys moved to Dallas when Carroll was 7 and his father became a clerk at the downtown post office. "I got my driver's license when I was 14 and one day I took my dad to work in his '34 Plymouth. Going home I got caught doing 80 mph. That was the end of my driving for about six months."

 

Once Carroll entered Woodrow Wilson High School, the action really kicked in. He so treasures his memories of friends and adventures there that he still returns to East Dallas for reunions.

 

"We had a lot of fun racing in Lakewood," an upscale neighborhood in Dallas across the railroad tracks from the small frame house where the Shelbys lived. "I drove my dad's '38 Willys, the Lakewood guys their new Ford convertibles, and we had to race flat out down Abrams Road and cross Gaston Avenue going 60 mph. It's a wonder we didn't get killed."

 

He survived and became one of the world's best race drivers. But he always thought of designing cars someday.

 

"In the early '50s, I saw those European cars come over here with little four-cylinder engines and great chassis. I thought you could put an American V8 in the same hole. The Europeans put those little engines in there because gasoline was three or four dollars a gallon over there right after the war."

 

When Ford Motor Co. hired him in the early '60s, he put his theory to work.

 

"Ford had a new little V8 engine, so I said, 'If you'll give me a few engines and some money, I'll build you a car you can be proud of.' "

 

And the Cobra, his most famous car, was born. Today there are some 200 Shelby Cobra Clubs across the world. There also are lots of guys and gals in their 30s or early 40s named Shelby because their parents owned a Cobra.

 

Shelby plans to start another Cobra era soon. Besides a new car, he wants to launch Cobra Foods in a plant near his East Texas ranch. "We'll make Cobra chili and a lot of sugar-free and health foods. Same situation as Paul Newman's salad dressings. The money will go to charities."

 

There's always something. Asked to name the most exciting experience of his life, he answered: "Tomorrow."

[mywickedshelby]

So Swede isnt alone.......even CS thought it was going to have more HP!

[ShelbyKindaGuy]

Carroll Shelby said the Shelby GT put out 340 hp in the LA Times article.

 

So Swede isnt alone.......even CS thought it was going to have more HP!

 

 

Its obvious the "crank" 340 HP CS quoted by CS was said knowing there was a better A/F tune to be made than the rich-pig one provided by FRPP to keep Ford happy about the warranty agreement. CS's 340 quote is absolutely correct for a stock Shelby GT with a good tune (not the FRPP tune) for it would translate to 290 HP to the wheels and about 307 in wheel torque assuming a 15% drive-train loss due to friction.

 

So the 319 "crank" figure supplied by whomever was a result of dynoing with the stock FRPP tune as the wheel HP would be about 271 which is what is being reported ON AVERAGE by completely stock SGT's on the dynos.

[moabman]

I think the CAI on the Shelby GT is the standard FRPP CAI which is also identical to the Steeda CAI. The Bullitt has a different air box and seal on the hood. So far, I haven't been able to find it as a separate part. Theoretically, it should get a little more cold air to the engine because it is sealed better from the engine compartment. I doubt there is a statistically significant difference in the HP between the two cars.

 

The adaptive tunning is nice, however. It would be helpful to switch back and forth between 87 & 93. Bet it takes a while on a 93 octane tankful for the computer to recognize and then switch.

[ShelbyKindaGuy]

I think the CAI on the Shelby GT is the standard FRPP CAI which is also identical to the Steeda CAI. The Bullitt has a different air box and seal on the hood. So far, I haven't been able to find it as a separate part.

 

Two weeks ago I found it posted on the Ford Racing Parts catalog. I went out to finf it today and it was gone from the catalog listing. When I did see it 2 weeks ago it was listed as the 2008 Bullitt Cold-Air Induction Kit and it was priced at $699. That is way overpriced if you ask me!

[pitrider]

Its obvious the "crank" 340 HP CS quoted by CS was said knowing there was a better A/F tune to be made than the rich-pig one provided by FRPP to keep Ford happy about the warranty agreement. CS's 340 quote is absolutely correct for a stock Shelby GT with a good tune (not the FRPP tune) for it would translate to 290 HP to the wheels and about 307 in wheel torque assuming a 15% drive-train loss due to friction.

 

So the 319 "crank" figure supplied by whomever was a result of dynoing with the stock FRPP tune as the wheel HP would be about 271 which is what is being reported ON AVERAGE by completely stock SGT's on the dynos.

 

Test drove the '08 Bullitt before i purchased my SGT....Really hard to feel any difference even with the 3.73 gears,to me the Shelby Gt felt stronger..Who knows but my opinion is the SGT is closer to 340 HP.. :beerchug:

[SWEDEMAN]

Test drove the '08 Bullitt before i purchased my SGT....Really hard to feel any difference even with the 3.73 gears,to me the Shelby Gt felt stronger..Who knows but my opinion is the SGT is closer to 340 HP.. :beerchug:

 

+1. The Shelby GT just feels torquier than the Bullitt, a lot more. So I am with you on the SGT feels like more 340 than 319. So CS was saying what the "butt dyno" told him, 340 HP!

[AFBLUE]

Fellas, CS mispoke (he is human and makes mistakes). EPA tested SGT at 319 at crank on 91 octane. Sorry the Bullitt has 1 more HP than us. So what? 1/4 tests prove the cars are the same and it will come down to driver skill. On the twisties, the SGT will have the advantage. Repeated tests of various stock GTs on dynojets invariable come out in the 275-280 range at rwhp. Even if you use the 15% drivetrain loss, which I think is too high (15% is the average drivetrain loss for all cars including manual drive trucks. Probably closer to 12% for manual mustang). That only comes to 323-329 hp at the crank.

 

Not trying to poopoo on the SGT parade, but the Bullitt is just as fast and costs 1000s less. A bare bones Mustang GT Deluxe cost 1000s less than a Bullitt and by spending less than $2K I can make it just as fast and handle as well. I'd rather have a Bullitt over the Mustang GT and if I had to do it over again, I would still get the SGT over the Bullitt. No regrets.

[ilmor]

Fellas, CS mispoke (he is human and makes mistakes). EPA tested SGT at 319 at crank on 91 octane. Sorry the Bullitt has 1 more HP than us. So what? 1/4 tests prove the cars are the same and it will come down to driver skill. On the twisties, the SGT will have the advantage. Repeated tests of various stock GTs on dynojets invariable come out in the 275-280 range at rwhp. Even if you use the 15% drivetrain loss, which I think is too high (15% is the average drivetrain loss for all cars including manual drive trucks. Probably closer to 12% for manual mustang). That only comes to 323-329 hp at the crank.

 

Not trying to poopoo on the SGT parade, but the Bullitt is just as fast and costs 1000s less. A bare bones Mustang GT Deluxe cost 1000s less than a Bullitt and by spending less than $2K I can make it just as fast and handle as well. I'd rather have a Bullitt over the Mustang GT and if I had to do it over again, I would still get the SGT over the Bullitt. No regrets.

 

Some will disagree, but the fact that the Shelby GT has the Shelby name on it, and that it was modified by Shelby, has a lot of value and in my opinion makes up much more than the difference. I'll take my Shelby GT any day.

[ShelbyII]

Two weeks ago I found it posted on the Ford Racing Parts catalog. I went out to finf it today and it was gone from the catalog listing. When I did see it 2 weeks ago it was listed as the 2008 Bullitt Cold-Air Induction Kit and it was priced at $699. That is way overpriced if you ask me!

Here is a link to the new FRPP CAI and the original that is used on the Shelby GT. They both say 20 HP. My 08 seems to run really well so I think I got one with the limited edition 340 HP CS tune.

 

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_...tKeyField=10128

 

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_...rtKeyField=9286

[ilmor]

Note that the new one (Bullit) is an 85mm mass air meter, while the old one (Shelby GT) is a 90mm mass air meter. It would seem that if it were possible to combine the 90mm mass air meter w/ the new CAI, that would be the ideal solution.