Should the GT500 be included in the Shelby Registry?

[68fastback]

.

 

This subject keeps coming up in virtually every Shelby related site I've seen as anecdotal questions and I haven;t been able to decipher any particular sentiment, so I thought we'd see what us Shelby faithfull and Mustang enthusiasts think.

 

My feeling is that any legitimately branded Shelby should be included in the Shelby Registry if for no other reason than, 40 years down the road, the lineage of these cars will be just as important to future generations trying to restore/validate present Shelbys as is the case for the classics today, and the registry has been very valuable to so many in that regard.

 

Presently all the classics '65-'68 are included (even though the '68 was made by A.O.Smith at the behest Ford) and sit in the Shelby Museum. The '69, though made under the exact same arrangements by the same company, and the '70 are not presently included in the Shelby Registry to my knowledge.

 

SA has said that the GT-H and new Shelby GT will be in the registry as well as, I believe, the 'unusual' WCC-Shelby made by West Coast Customs in CA. SA has also indicated in their Forums (to the best of my knowledge) that fully-built CS6 kits that can be validated to have been built on the intended base will also be candidates for inclusion. Don't know how they would actually validate that.

 

I'm unaware of any final decision on the GT500, though somewhere I got the impression it was being considered for inclusion.

 

I've asked Shelby Automobiles what their intentions are and I'll post any response here (or post a link).

 

Personally, whether the GT500 is included or not won't affect if/when I buy one but it seems the registry question is heating up as new Shelbys and Shelby variants are released and maybe it's a good time for SA to think through this. Possibly our opinions will help.

 

So, what do you think?

 

 

<edit: I'll see if I can get this made 'sticky' so we can get opinions over a long period>

 

.

[VNMOUS1]

.

 

This subject keeps coming up in virtually every Shelby related site I've seen as anecdotal questions and I haven;t been able to decipher any particular sentiment, so I thought we'd see what us Shelby faithfull and Mustang enthusiasts think.

 

My feeling is that any legitimately branded Shelby should be included in the Shelby Registry if for no other reason than, 40 years down the road, the lineage of these cars will be just as important to future generations trying to restore/validate present Shelbys as is the case for the classics today, and the registry has been very valuable to so many in that regard.

 

Presently all the classics '65-'68 are included (even though the '68 was made by A.O.Smith at the behest Ford) and sit in the Shelby Museum. The '69, though made under the exact same arrangements by the same company, and the '70 are not presently included in the Shelby Registry to my knowledge.

 

SA has said that the GT-H and new Shelby GT will be in the registry as well as, I believe, the 'unusual' WCC-Shelby made by West Coast Customs in CA. SA has also indicated in their Forums (to the best of my knowledge) that fully-built CS6 kits that can be validated to have been built on the intended base will also be candidates for inclusion. Don't know how they would actually validate that.

 

I'm unaware of any final decision on the GT500, though somewhere I got the impression it was being considered for inclusion.

 

I've asked Shelby Automobiles what their intentions are and I'll post any response here (or post a link).

 

Personally, whether the GT500 is included or not won't affect if/when I buy one but it seems the registry question is heating up as new Shelbys and Shelby variants are released and maybe it's a good time for SA to think through this. Possibly our opinions will help.

 

So, what do you think?

 

 

<edit: I'll see if I can get this made 'sticky' so we can get opinions over a long period>

 

.

 

 

The decision has already been made. It is included in the next printing of the registry. That's what they told me, and I'm a member of SAAC.

 

 

bj

[68fastback]

The decision has already been made. It is included in the next printing of the registry. That's what they told me, and I'm a member of SAAC.

 

 

bj

 

 

Cool, bj... that's the first I heard that it was definate -- thanks.

 

Can't believe they haven't included '69 & '70 but are saying you can get the CS6 in. Seems odd to me.

 

-Dan

 

.

[shel-b001]

`68 fastbackman`

 

A) 68`,69,&70` SHELBY`s are in fact listed in the 1997 SHELBY AMERICA WORLD REGISTERY.

 

B) 07`,08 ` G.T 500`s willbe included in the new registry that is being updated

 

Also included are the 06` G.T -40`s . You can register on-line by filling in a registry form (newgt500registar @saac.com) or contact Peter Larkin, 8 ,Pernnington, Manley Rd. NJ 08534

All ser# willbe in the registry but willbe up to the individual owners to supply the info re - the vehicle.

 

You can order your new registry now their are still some leatherbound " COLLECTOR EDITION" registries available these are limited to 250 & are # & signed in Gold by C.S.

As far as I know "ALL NEW" Shelby`s willbe included in the registry .

Hope this helps.

[Fordrules]

`68 fastbackman`

 

A) 68`,69,&70` SHELBY`s are in fact listed in the 1997 SHELBY AMERICA WORLD REGISTERY.

 

B) 07`,08 ` G.T 500`s willbe included in the new registry that is being updated

 

Also included are the 06` G.T -40`s . You can register on-line by filling in a registry form (newgt500registar @saac.com) or contact Peter Larkin, 8 ,Pernnington, Manley Rd. NJ 08534

All ser# willbe in the registry but willbe up to the individual owners to supply the info re - the vehicle.

 

You can order your new registry now their are still some leatherbound " COLLECTOR EDITION" registries available these are limited to 250 & are # & signed in Gold by C.S.

As far as I know "ALL NEW" Shelby`s willbe included in the registry .

Hope this helps.

 

Shelby001 - where do you get the leatherbound "Collector Edition" signed and # from?

That would be pretty awesome.

[shel-b001]

`Fordrules`

Asof jan/06 there were 8 of the 250 leather bond registeries left .

The #`s available are 228,229,231,233,238, 239And 241 Price is $285

(includes postage. When there gone that it there willbe no others than the reguler copies. You can contact saac@saac.com I paid for mine

2years ago to get a specific #

Good Luck

[614HSO]

Cool, bj... that's the first I heard that it was definate -- thanks.

 

Can't believe they haven't included '69 & '70 but are saying you can get the CS6 in. Seems odd to me.

 

-Dan

 

.

 

 

Hi Dan,

I went to the SAAC (www.saac.com) and checked myself and indeed there is a spot for our 2007 GT 500's right on the main page. I was a little surprised but very pleased to see this.

 

Some say that the GT 500 is just a glorified Mustang as it was built on the regular Mustang line by Ford, right in front of (or behind) the Mazda 6 no less!

 

Regardless of whether Mr. Shelby himself had a lot of influence or a little influence in the design or final result of the vehicle, the fact is his name is on the car.

 

There must have been enough of his involvement for Mr. Shelby to consent to the use of his name on the car? Yeah yeah I am sure there are all kinds of royalties that come out of this, but again he has some level of reputation to uphold at this point in his life, at least I would think or hope this was the case.

 

Just the same, even if the final product is simply the result of a trademark agreement between Shelby and Ford, the Shelby name is on the car, and the Shelby American Automobile Club is acknowledging this. I would have to say that they (SAAC) are more of an authority than I am, so why should we argue the point?

 

MY very humble and (cheap) $0.02 (Canadian Funds eh!) ;-)

[68fastback]

Thank you all for the insight. I suspect I've been reading in places that are even less-informed than I seemingly am on this subject (and that's apparently hard to find <lol>).

 

I actually found the SAAC site and didn't see the 'click on picture' so didn't know if that was where info on the Registry was.

 

For others in the same shape I am, he's a link to the official Shelby American Automobile Club site SAAC If you click on the big picture (doh!) it will take you to an excellent write-up on the history and evolution of the Club -- a very worthwhile read. The top of that write-up page (and, apparently, every page except the picture page) has links to all club events, activities, services, publications, registry, photos, etc -- great site!!

 

If you all want, I can have this thread/poll removed; or we can leave it up and see what the opinions are anyway.

 

Thanks all...

-Dan

[614HSO]

Thank you all for the insight. I suspect I've been reading in places that are even less-informed than I seemingly am on this subject (and that's apparently hard to find <lol>).

 

I actually found the SAAC site and didn't see the 'click on picture' so didn't know if that was where info on the Registry was.

 

For others in the same shape I am, he's a link to the official Shelby American Automobile Club site SAAC If you click on the big picture (doh!) it will take you to an excellent write-up on the history and evolution of the Club -- a very worthwhile read. The top of that write-up page (and, apparently, every page except the picture page) has links to all club events, activities, services, publications, registry, photos, etc -- great site!!

 

If you all want, I can have this thread/poll removed; or we can leave it up and see what the opinions are anyway.

 

Thanks all...

-Dan

 

 

 

Dan,

 

Lets leave it up!

 

After all, that's what forums are all about, we are all in this together man!

[VNMOUS1]

Cool, bj... that's the first I heard that it was definate -- thanks.

 

Can't believe they haven't included '69 & '70 but are saying you can get the CS6 in. Seems odd to me.

 

-Dan

 

.

 

 

The '69 and '70 are included.

 

 

bj

[68fastback]

Dan,

 

Lets leave it up!

 

After all, that's what forums are all about, we are all in this together man!

 

 

Agreed. I had previously asked Kaylan to make it 'sticky' and I see he already did.

 

.

[68fastback]

The '69 and '70 are included.

 

 

bj

 

 

Yeah, I saw that -- thanks. I didn't see a button to click for the GT500 and the WCC/CS6 yet, but apparently all will be included as well as the Ford GTs (which does already have a link included).

 

I guess we'll see what the poll reveals... I see minority opinion leaning toward Shelby-manufactured and only-classics is starting to show -- and I can understand those sentiments, even though my leaning is toward the more-inclusive approach it seems SAAC is taking.

 

.

[shel-b001]

I would leave the poll to see what the opinion is that`s what this forum is about .

[68fastback]

I would leave the poll to see what the opinion is that`s what this forum is about .

 

Agreed...

 

.

[shel-b001]

The 250 special registries mentioned above have been sold out.

 

 

No Doubt

[68fastback]

No Doubt

 

 

From SAAC site:

 

We are presently working on the NEXT edition of the Shelby American World registry, and it will be published in two separate volumes. Vol. 1 will address original Cobras and Ford GTs as well as Shelby Series 1s, CSX4000s, CSX7000s, CSX2600 continuation Daytona Coupes, AC MK IVs, COX Cobras, Ford GT MK Vs, Ford's new Ford GT, and all the rest of the new variants Shelby is building. We have registrars for each of these cars right now. We expect this book to be completed sometime near the end of 2006. The second volume will address Shelby Mustangs and Shelby Trans-Am cars. We will begin working on this volume as soon as the first volume has been completed. We expect this second volume to be printed sometime in 2007 or 2008.

 

-Dan

[shel-b001]

From SAAC site:

 

We are presently working on the NEXT edition of the Shelby American World registry, and it will be published in two separate volumes. Vol. 1 will address original Cobras and Ford GTs as well as Shelby Series 1s, CSX4000s, CSX7000s, CSX2600 continuation Daytona Coupes, AC MK IVs, COX Cobras, Ford GT MK Vs, Ford's new Ford GT, and all the rest of the new variants Shelby is building. We have registrars for each of these cars right now. We expect this book to be completed sometime near the end of 2006. The second volume will address Shelby Mustangs and Shelby Trans-Am cars. We will begin working on this volume as soon as the first volume has been completed. We expect this second volume to be printed sometime in 2007 or 2008.

 

-Dan

 

Good News - Only been waiting 2 years for my Collector Editon, hope the Shelby doesn`t take this long.

[68fastback]

Good News - Only been waiting 2 years for my Collector Editon, hope the Shelby doesn`t take this long.

 

Wow! Sounds like they don't get printed very often -- and that's understandable.

 

I found it interesting that Vol.-2 will be for Shelby Mustangs and Shelby Trans-Am cars. I'm wondering exactly what that means: Trans-Am prepped Mustangs from the '60s/70s? If it meant Trans-Am prepped Shelby Mustangs, it wouyld be redundant. Or does this portend offerings/variants to come, like Boss 302s and or those kicked-up by SA? Or...?

 

.

[shel-b001]

The last Shelby Registry was printed in 1997 & are still available.

[ColdwaterHotrod]

I say add it!

[68fastback]

+1 Coldwater

 

:happy feet:

[Guest evilchris]

Adding this car to the registry dilutes the meaning of "Shelby" "Shelby" is a 60's musclecar.

[kaylan1521]

Adding this car to the registry dilutes the meaning of "Shelby" "Shelby" is a 60's musclecar.

 

That my 07 can outperform in every catagory.

[Guest evilchris]

That my 07 can outperform in every catagory.

 

 

Agreed, easily, but not my point. My stock 07' GT can nearly outperform a 67' GT500 in every category. With a simple canned tune for $399 it certainly will.

[kaylan1521]

Agreed, easily, but not my point. My stock 07' GT can nearly outperform a 67' GT500 in every category. With a simple canned tune for $399 it certainly will.

 

I agree there too, but your GT does not say Shelby on the back. Whether he had anything to do with the car or not the fact remains that he endorsed it just as the 69/70's weren't built by him. Sorry I know it's an old argument but even my window sticker says Shelby on it.

 

Having said that I bought the car for what's under the hood, back when it was 450 hp. But, if I paid a premium to have his name on my car than I better get the same priviledges as the people that own a 69 or 70 Shelby GT500.

[Guest evilchris]

I agree there too, but your GT does not say Shelby on the back. Whether he had anything to do with the car or not the fact remains that he endorsed it just as the 69/70's weren't built by him. Sorry I know it's an old argument but even my window sticker says Shelby on it.

 

Having said that I bought the car for what's under the hood, back when it was 450 hp. But, if I paid a premium to have his name on my car than I better get the same priviledges as the people that own a 69 or 70 Shelby GT500.

 

 

Oh, trust me I am very aware that my GT, when modded, is worthless. But I don't care, because I am all about performance not resale.

[kaylan1521]

Oh, trust me I am very aware that my GT, when modded, is worthless. But I don't care, because I am all about performance not resale.

 

Performance is what I live for. remember the anemic 265 hp Bullitt that everybody called a stickerjob? I have taken that car to the mid 11's. When I put the sway bar back, Nitto 555 extreme RII tires and hit the road course the car rocks. Best of both worlds. But I'd still rather do it with 700 hp than the 500+ it currently has.

[68fastback]

Adding this car to the registry dilutes the meaning of "Shelby" "Shelby" is a 60's musclecar.

 

 

I certainly can respect that feeling, Chris. Just, at this point wit the Shelby GT coming from SA LV (yeah, I know), it seems like the all-inclusive approach makes sense.

 

But a part of me still feels as you do too -- even for the 69/70 that Shelby didn't build either.

 

.

[kb67]

The 65-67 cars are to me the best but I'm biased :D I like those body styles more that the rest of the years. The cars that were produced after they moved production away from Shelby's site have always been called shelbys and have those big $$$$ appraisals to prove it :D. Only because of the hype surrounding this GT500 car is any of that even considered.

 

Adding this car to the registry dilutes the meaning of "Shelby" "Shelby" is a 60's musclecar.

 

 

I feel the same way myself but Carroll Shelby ultimately makes the call as to what gets the nod. The SAAC is a great resource for verifying a Shelby so I think that them putting these new cars in the registry is a good thing it helps keep what is approved by Shelby in a place where it can be found and documented. The stuff that unique performance is doing is great I wish Shelby American did those kinds of cars but they don't. The Continuation cobras are a cool thing and a GT based CS6 - type car would have made a great statement as the ShelbyGT. It would be inline with the kind of stuff that Shelby started off doing. The GT500 is to me a tribute to Shelby and his contribution to the Mustang legend. So you have now to deal with hype and all sorts of bull because they put his name on it. What premium gets attached to that varies with the person deciding to purchase one. That in my humble opinion is why all the debate is present what constitutes a real Shelby. Just my 0.2 though :D

[68fastback]

The 65-67 cars are to me the best but I'm biased :D I like those body styles more that the rest of the years. The cars that were produced after they moved production away from Shelby's site have always been called shelbys and have those big $$$$ appraisals to prove it :D. Only because of the hype surrounding this GT500 car is any of that even considered.

I feel the same way myself but Carroll Shelby ultimately makes the call as to what gets the nod. The SAAC is a great resource for verifying a Shelby so I think that them putting these new cars in the registry is a good thing it helps keep what is approved by Shelby in a place where it can be found and documented. The stuff that unique performance is doing is great I wish Shelby American did those kinds of cars but they don't. The Continuation cobras are a cool thing and a GT based CS6 - type car would have made a great statement as the ShelbyGT. It would be inline with the kind of stuff that Shelby started off doing. The GT500 is to me a tribute to Shelby and his contribution to the Mustang legend. So you have now to deal with hype and all sorts of bull because they put his name on it. What premium gets attached to that varies with the person deciding to purchase one. That in my humble opinion is why all the debate is present what constitutes a real Shelby. Just my 0.2 though :D

 

 

Great summary, I think.

 

Good thought on the CS6 too -- that could have been more in-theme with the classic SA work, even though it's a V6. Just wondering if what prevented that might have been warranty risk or maybe the fact that only Ford can market Shelbys under the contract and maybe Ford didn't like the idea of a 350HP 4.0L V6? -- dunno.