Will The Shelby 2007 GT500 Find A Place In History?

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[68fastback]

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[69deluxe]

The article states that Doug Gaffka, chief designer of the Shelby

 

 

Right! Did we really expect him to say "Nahh, it'll be forgotten in 5 years!" His next order of business is to help market the creation. Of course, he's going to say it's the next classic. "Buy it now, or regret it later!"

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The article states that Doug Gaffka, chief designer of the Shelby GT500, says the “most powerful production Mustang ever” will take its place in Mustang history because it is, first, a Mustang and, second, has the Shelby name on it.

 

If those are the core reasons, I'll eat my hat! <gulp> With all due respect to Doug, it's the performance of the total package, IMHO, that is paramount -- it's a competant Grand Tourer not only popping off quick quarters but also capable of running flat out on the track lap after lap. Is it porky? Yeah. Are we happy about that? No! Do we understand that in 2006 for $43K on a mustang base it's a state-of-the-art value and an awesome all-round solid performer and sets a new high-water mark for the re-emerging muscle-car wars? Exquisitely! And that's why this car will find a place in Ford's history and, I might add, in automotive history as well. (Does that justify the ADMs? I won't go there! )

 

The article also states that Doug feels "the Shelby GT500 will be most remembered out of all of them for two reasons. No. 1, it’s come out of a very popular design that we have today. It’s very recognizable as a Mustang. And second is it has Carroll’s signature on it."

 

Maybe I'm atypical. Carroll Shelby is an awesome and creative racer who I respect enormously, independently of ever putting his name on a mustang -- he was an idol of mine growing up -- but while the current mustang design is extraordinarily clean, pleasing and 100% American ponycar and undoubtedly cotributes to the success of the mustang overall, that's maybe 10% of what will make the GT500 memorable IMO. And Shelby's name on it, while a bonus, will not materially make it into the most remembered mustang of all. What will rivet it in ponycar greatness is if it kicks butt in hand-to-hand combat. Does CS's name make it more desireable to some to purchase? Undoubtedly. Does that do so much as to make it remembered above all others. Not for me. Even if you took CS's name off and just put in another 150HP (or took out 850lbs <lol>) -- that will make it the most memeorable mustang of all time (up until right now, that is ;-).

 

Btw, where, exactly, is Carroll's signature on the GT500 (not being fascetious, just never noticed it)? Maybe Doug just meant his name, dunno.

 

Damn, I feeling guilty like I'm ragging on a friend, but either Ford has some serious misconceptions of the ever faithfull, OR the shakers at Ford aren't old enough to truly 'remember' the '60s, OR the primary market for this car is 18-30 year-olds who might be more swayed to buy those 6 special letters. To me they're special for what they stand for -- but only to the extent this car adequately honors them.

 

Peace...

[442forever(noolds)]

I hear ya. What else was he going to say? Typical.

I'm on your side. Lighter or more power now. A real high bar off the show room floor. A stock stang that pales the z06 owners. That is what I'm talking about.

[Guest evilchris]

In order to get a Mustang to run with a Z06 in ALL performance categories, you'll have to make so many changes it won't be a Mustang anymore. They should bring the Tbird out again but this time as a super performance 2 seater.

[BadTony]

I find it somewhat disapointing what Doug states about Carroll's involvement in the project "like he thought the lettering should be bigger in the rear". It made it (wanting his name to appear bigger on the back of the car) sound like it was Carroll's only contribution to the project.

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In order to get a Mustang to run with a Z06 in ALL performance categories, you'll have to make so many changes it won't be a Mustang anymore. They should bring the Tbird out again but this time as a super performance 2 seater.

 

 

Actually, the 'vette never came to mind while I was writing that -- I just had to mention the weight issue since it was an article by the chief designer and less weight is the only effective alternative to more power.

 

Yeah, and the T-bird coupe chassis probably has enough rigidity to put some decent HP in it. But it's also porky. Nevertheless, it would be a nice ride -- the styling work was great!

 

In fact, gimme the Marauder with 500HP and it will be one fine family ride in the best tradition of the 60s!

 

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[Guest evilchris]

I find it somewhat disapointing what Doug states about Carroll's involvement in the project "like he thought the lettering should be bigger in the rear". It made it (wanting his name to appear bigger on the back of the car) sound like it was Carroll's only contribution to the project.

 

 

*mouth shut*

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[Guest evilchris]

Now there's a first.

 

 

Even I get sick of saying the same shit over and over. I think you'll find though that the crap I have been saying has been coming true =)

[RUFDRAFT]

I'm not saying that some of what you say isn't based on fact - it's how you say it.

 

And - if you'd try to balance the negative commentary with some positive - you might find your're more respected. We all know the shortcomings of the Shelby's. We don't need constant reminders.

 

But - we're all enthusiasts. We love hot rods!

 

Just lighten up a little.

[442forever(noolds)]

+1

And +1

[BrianDesigner]

Yeah, yeah it's a SHELBY (cue the music!!). Enough already we get it and that's not applause you're hearing it's the sound of a select few at Ford slapping themselves on the back.

Seriously, does anyone in their right mind think a 58-42ish weight ratio is indicative of cutting edge technology for MY2007? Puh-leeze! I waited, and waited for this S197 to get out of the god-awfully slow Ford studio. It's an 04 nope 05-just like the Freestyle/500/Milan along with too many others. Then the promise of a Shelby loomed on the horizon. So I waited some more and this is what I get rewarded with? Sorry but for 500 hp this car should scream!! Has anyone seen the times for the Steeda Q525? 11.7 in the quarter!!? Now, we're talking!

Be it weight, gearing, the uninspired engine block or whatever but SOMETHING is keeping this muscle car from even dusting the obnoxious 500hp luxury cars that are out there now. They can hang with this Drag Racer Mustang-bust out your Car and Drivers or Motor Trends and check the stats- and they'll be close enough to think they can take you next time instead of licking their wounds while distracting their passengers with passing landmarks or lame talk about vineyards and caviar. At a minimum this thing needs a diet and looking at the list of dumb options "they" added-in during a feeble marketing attempt to "high-end" this car to justify the price; you can see where it got to be the 2 ton pig it is. The lighter is better, nimble on its toes, boulevard dreamer-screamers were left in the cold.

Ford should've cut its teeth with the S197 platform on a Mach 1 or a Boss package before rolling out the Holy Grail of Mustangs right out of the chute. Remember this is the GT500 here! Not even a GT350 or a Hi-po package!! With the FR500 racing program in place, and excelling on the track, they could've sat on the Gt500 and waited for the racing technology to trickle down and get it where it should be. Instead they swung for the fences and missed. Unfortunatley, for the GT500 a home-run is the only option. This car is a classic by defintion-not execution.

The new Mustang Shelby GT is a much better idea and a definite step in the right direction. Plus it's built in-house by The Man! Side note-does anyone know why AAI seems perplexed by this whole process of one-off cars? Please just throw a blower (ahem I hear there a few options available) on that to get the hp up to around 400, and also swap in some of the GT500 suspension, tranny and brakes. Call it a Shelby Done Right and then Uncle Roman will drop some coin on a kick-a** Shelby!

I love Shelby's and Mustangs so this pains me to bring all this up. I've owned 2 in the past and there's no way I'm buying anything else but another Mustang-preferrably a Shelby. I'm at the point in my life where I'm looking for my next Mustang to be "the one" and sadly this ain't it.

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Welcome, Brian. Have any thoughts on the GT500? <lol>

 

I see from your join date and post count these feelings have been building for some time. Dr. Chris will be in to see you shortly. (just kiddin')

 

Seriously tho, true enthusiasts always want the best. It would be fairly straight-forward to take a GT and pump it up to the same or better power:weight ratio as the GT500. But unless it would be used just for 1/4 miles, most all the other systems would require upgrading: cooling, brakes, etc. Yeah, the GT500 is a bit porky, but at least most all of it is focussed on performance. The TR6060 adds, the huge brakes add, the second cooling system for the s/c adds, the s/c itself and intercooler adds, the mammoth cooling system adds... But you can take a GT500 and run it around a road course flat-out all afternoon and drive it home with the a/c on if you like! If you did that with a base GT -- just kicked-up with a blower and some handling goodies -- it's only a question of what system would go up in smoke first on a road course. And that's the difference, IMHO, in what makes the GT500 the Grand Tourer it is -- it's a totally engineered 500HP package with a 5yr/60K (or whatever it is now) warranty license to thrill.

 

I agree with much of your criticism, but on a mustang chassis with steel body panels for $43K it's pretty awesome. I'm just waiting until a base fastback comes down to around $40K around the Jan/Feb after the last year of production (yeah, I really believe that). At that price I think it's a steal. And if the Boss or Mach or new SA Shelby variants coming along are a better cost-performance value (I like NA motors), I might go that way.

 

So chill, and hang with us, and have fun in here. We're sort of all in the same boat -- you're among friends

 

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[carnut]

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Welcome, Brian. Have any thoughts on the GT500? <lol>

 

I see from your join date and post count these feelings have been building for some time. Dr. Chris will be in to see you shortly. (just kiddin')

 

Seriously tho, true enthusiasts always want the best. It would be fairly straight-forward to take a GT and pump it up to the same or better power:weight ratio as the GT500. But unless it would be used just for 1/4 miles, most all the other systems would require upgrading: cooling, brakes, etc. Yeah, the GT500 is a bit porky, but at least most all of it is focussed on performance. The TR6060 adds, the huge brakes add, the second cooling system for the s/c adds, the s/c itself and intercooler adds, the mammoth cooling system adds... But you can take a GT500 and run it around a road course flat-out all afternoon and drive it home with the a/c on if you like! If you did that with a base GT -- just kicked-up with a blower and some handling goodies -- it's only a question of what system would go up in smoke first on a road course. And that's the difference, IMHO, in what makes the GT500 the Grand Tourer it is -- it's a totally engineered 500HP package with a 5yr/60K (or whatever it is now) warranty license to thrill.

 

I agree with much of your criticism, but on a mustang chassis with steel body panels for $43K it's pretty awesome. I'm just waiting until a base fastback comes down to around $40K around the Jan/Feb after the last year of production (yeah, I really believe that). At that price I think it's a steal. And if the Boss or Mach or new SA Shelby variants coming along are a better cost-performance value (I like NA motors), I might go that way.

 

So chill, and hang with us, and have fun in here. We're sort of all in the same boat -- you're among friends

 

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With enough time, effort and money, most cars can be made fast. Like it not, the Shelby is commanding a lot of attention and once it gets some minor fine tuning it will not disappoint. I remember my 03 Cobra, it was kind of a pig when I first got it. Added Bassani's, a good cold air kit, a decent shifter, more tire and a few other odds and ends and it ran into the 12's. It would only run a mid 13 initially. A few thousand miles on it helped too.

 

So, I predict with the usual upgrades, it will be into the 11's and that is a pretty good place to be.

 

If I want stupid fast, I can put up with my blown Cleveland Falcon and bust in the high nines or my stoker 66 fastback that should run tens. The problem is these cars are a pain to maintain and drive in some conditions. The new Shelby is an all around car, I think better than the Terminator, certainly better than what the orginal SVT Cobra in 93. Even the old 93 commands a lot more money than a 93 GT, all things being equal.

 

I could go on and on about how I like new Shelby, but think each of likes different things and if it is not what you want, Camry is a nice choice. Even an old Dodge Daytona sans the wing could be good.

[BrianDesigner]

Yes I realize the forum I'm in and have enjoyed reading all the threads posted for much longer than before I joined! I dig the site. I have Mustang magazines everywhere in my home, I'm am trying to keep the rah-rah over this car grounded. It's not that good. Step back and look at it's numbers.

My point being is the GT500 label invokes the greatest Mustangs ever made for their time period. Unfortunately this GT00 is not that. Noone knows it's track capabilities long-term and all reviews come back saying the front end shows its weight problem. When they were adding options for this car someone should've spec'd some brass knuckles, steel toe boots and a cast iron cup for the real battles this boulevard bruiser will face. 4.10-4.30 gears anyone?Gas Guzzler be damned!

Furthermore if I can't compete with the nasty dealer auction/mark-ups and Z06 cash toting crowd they're targeting, I'll buy a Mach or Boss instead of my dream of a Shelby GT500. Due to this car being the GT500 which is "the best" the Mach's and Bosses will have to come in BELOW the GT500. It should be much,much better to carry this name.

If they'd call it a Mach 1, GT350, or BOSS 342 (whatever) I'd love it. Get it? This car needed to be better for a GT500 in 2007. It can't even run with the, prepare for it, Vette. Yuck, I wanted to see a slaughter.

You bring up price points but they don't matter on The Ultimate Mustang. No "average" Mustang buyer can reach to the Gt500 and no potential Vette buyer will reach down for lesser performance-as gross as it sounds. They should've waxed 'em with this one and gone all out with the aluminum block and a better blower-just say it it feels good! Who cares if the right one cost 65 grand? Make it the car that hurt to get but hurt everything once you had it! Plus by doing that you would've had plenty of room to bring the Bosses and Mach's in under that way with this performance level.

Like you say it's not too expensive-so save that range for the Mach's and Bosses. Instead they'll be pin-striping and body cladding like the California Specials with minor mods.

 

 

Welcome, Brian. Have any thoughts on the GT500? <lol>

 

I see from your join date and post count these feelings have been building for some time. Dr. Chris will be in to see you shortly. (just kiddin')

 

Seriously tho, true enthusiasts always want the best. It would be fairly straight-forward to take a GT and pump it up to the same or better power:weight ratio as the GT500. But unless it would be used just for 1/4 miles, most all the other systems would require upgrading: cooling, brakes, etc. Yeah, the GT500 is a bit porky, but at least most all of it is focussed on performance. The TR6060 adds, the huge brakes add, the second cooling system for the s/c adds, the s/c itself and intercooler adds, the mammoth cooling system adds... But you can take a GT500 and run it around a road course flat-out all afternoon and drive it home with the a/c on if you like! If you did that with a base GT -- just kicked-up with a blower and some handling goodies -- it's only a question of what system would go up in smoke first on a road course. And that's the difference, IMHO, in what makes the GT500 the Grand Tourer it is -- it's a totally engineered 500HP package with a 5yr/60K (or whatever it is now) warranty license to thrill.

 

I agree with much of your criticism, but on a mustang chassis with steel body panels for $43K it's pretty awesome. I'm just waiting until a base fastback comes down to around $40K around the Jan/Feb after the last year of production (yeah, I really believe that). At that price I think it's a steal. And if the Boss or Mach or new SA Shelby variants coming along are a better cost-performance value (I like NA motors), I might go that way.

 

So chill, and hang with us, and have fun in here. We're sort of all in the same boat -- you're among friends

 

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[07 Shelby Cobra]

The Shelby GT500 is a Great car. Ford never had to build it. They could have been complacent since there is, was, no competition for the Mustang. Did they take advantage of the Marketing value in SHELBY's name? Of course they did. They also did so with the COBRA as well. Ford is a Business and businesses survive by Selling. SHELBY Sells. No shame in that!

By the way, the 03/04 Cobra has the same Weight Distribution as the 07' Shelby 57/43 and Only weighs 250lbs less. Word is that the 08' Camaro will be a Hefty 4100+lbs.

[68fastback]

 

 

So, I predict with the usual upgrades, it will be into the 11's and that is a pretty good place to be.

 

 

 

+1... undoubtedly

 

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[BrianDesigner]

 

The Cobras couldn't hook up and were tire roasting specialists. Time after time they were derided as being vette killers but lacked the traction to do it. That equates to potential left on the table. Which is fine for a Cobra but this is The Greatest Mustang (don't say eventually adding KR to it can fix this much)!!

So you've compared a Cobra to The Gt500? Quit proving my point! It's 4 years later and not much improvement for all the hp and cost. *Car and Driver* agrees which makes it even worse!

 

Never did I say it's not a great car it just shouldn't be The GT500. There's too much potential left on the table with this all-new S197 platform. Aftermarket mods are great for the Mustang Gt's and Mach's etc. and will probably be my route. But the GT500 should be awesome out-of-the-box. It's not-it's Mach 1 good.

Yeah business is businees thanks for the reminder. GT350, Mustang Shelby GT125, or Shelby Whatever would've been fine for this car. Way to cheapen up the CS Shelby Dodge Charger name (again) to sell a few cars! Please don't invoke Gt500 to do it though.

Sadly it's place will be for over-zealous baby boomers who threw wheel barrows of cash at something that was poorly thought out. Go see the Bold Moves InfoWebmercial about the new Shellby GT. Bummer this one wasn't done like that.

 

 

The Shelby GT500 is a Great car. Ford never had to build it. They could have been complacent since there is, was, no competition for the Mustang. Did they take advantage of the Marketing value in SHELBY's name? Of course they did. They also did so with the COBRA as well. Ford is a Business and businesses survive by Selling. SHELBY Sells. No shame in that!

By the way, the 03/04 Cobra has the same Weight Distribution as the 07' Shelby 57/43 and Only weighs 250lbs less. Word is that the 08' Camaro will be a Hefty 4100+lbs.

 

[RUFDRAFT]

Welcome, Brian -

 

Please don't be shy. You're among friends here.

 

Now - give us your real thoughts on the Shelby.

 

And - don't hold back. We're very kind on this site.

[carnut]

Welcome, Brian -

 

Please don't be shy. You're among friends here.

 

Now - give us your real thoughts on the Shelby.

 

And - don't hold back. We're very kind on this site.

 

 

Car and Driver? Mad Magazine is more responsible, and funny too! Geez I hope this doesn't end up like last night.

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Hey, BrianDesigner, not exactly sure what you're saying since the original GT500 was a big ol' torquey 428 and was actually not the fastest mustang because, in '68, you could order the W-code 427 4-bolt-main side-oiler in a vanilla mustang -- the single-quad version of the legendary 427 race motor. Or you could order the 428 R-code, virtually identical to the GT500 motor, for only $170 more than the 390 S-code in a vanilly 'stang. Of these combos the 427 in the vanilla 'stang was considerably faster than the GT500 or even the 428 GT500KR, truth be told. The 427 was a very expensive option (about $1,400), bringing the cost in a base fastback up to near the cost of a GT500. In fact the 427 option included virtually all the mechanical upgrades of the GT500/500KR, just no stripes and more actual horsepower (ratings were a game back then). I bought the S-code 390/325HP 'cause I was a kid making $80/week! <sigh>

 

My point is that I don't know why you're so hung up on the name GT500 having to be the perfect and the badest Mustang. The '60s Shelbys with the 428 weighed-in at over 3800lbs (and they didn't have to meet any crash standards!) and the 2007 GT500 is considerably quicker than any of the 60s versions and even faster than the 427 w-code in a vanilla 'stang by a wide margin. So, I think this baby is doing ok for itself. Just one man's view though.

 

Not trying to convince you of anything, just that in 2007, a car that has 500 HP and all the systems to handle that (the '67/68 had inadequate brakes even with the upgraded optional discs) with aplomb and meet crash standards and emissions standards for $43K or so is pretty darn extraordinary! This car is clearly the fastest, best-handling, best-stopping GT500 ever made -- by a rather wide margin.

 

If you remove the crash standards (potential for less weight) or move the price point to $70K the mustang could be very different and much faster, but that isn't 2007 or a steel-bodied pony car.

 

Am I missing what you're saying?

 

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PS - when replying to a post, click reply and then type below the 'bracket-slash-QUOTE-bracket' and your posts will format correctly. -Dan

 

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[BrianDesigner]

Yeah, I get it. Great work with the smilies.

I love the new high-horsepower cars and we all should as they deserve it. I've driven GT's, a Gt500 and a Ford GT. They are great great cars. Did the Ford GT(40) hit the mark? YEP! Did the GT500? Uhhh....

I'd have one in my garage and a bed in the dog house if they did!

Whatever. I'll let my posts stand and I understand I'm throwing stones at what to some is indisputably The Best.

Please keep in mind that's what it was supposed to be to me too. At this point I'd rather buy that last guys used Cobra that I can modify without facing the scorn of the purists! Bless your soul if your "that guy" who starts tweaking a Shelby Gt500 to get this thing to where it COULD be.

Oh and to reply: I thought I implied that I wasn't happy that Ford allowed Car and poop on Ford/Mustangs Driver room to go to the Cobra to Gt500 comparison. My bad if not. That said, no matter what the Gt500 should've left zero room for their typical Ford/Mustang nit-picking!

But this car is getting the same numbers from all. Even MM&FF numbers were only marginally better-ish. Also, I thought we all knew C&D has a special place for positive Mustang 1/4 times and reviews. It's about 16" high, made out of metal and round!

 

 

 

Car and Driver? Mad Magazine is more responsible, and funny too! Geez I hope this doesn't end up like last night.

 

[BrianDesigner]

Yeah Vanilla Mustangs, Bosses, Torino's Cougars Falcons whatever, could be ordered/souped-up'ed to be faster but they weren't Shelby's.

This car should've had much better technology, or I agree maybe a lack there of, put into it to get it back to what it was idealized as.

Yeah, the horsepower ratings were a 385ish joke back then but now is now. Everyone stared at the Gt500 for 40 years-ish as the handling, braking, stopping, go fast Mustang. It was the whole package with the Shelby name. Not a vanilla turd anyone could hack and slay on without an eyebrow being raised. They had a pedigree.

I guess that's why they rolled it back out in 2007 instead of a motor/tranny sleeper option.

Hence the "call it what you want but don't slap GT500 on it"

I'd gladly accept this motor tranny combo as a "vanilla" Mustang for a modest cost-up and wait on the suspension, brakes etc that the Shelby would potentially bring.

This whole thing, this fast makes no sense, Other than cash.

I'd love it to be a Mach 1.

 

Hey, BrianDesigner, not exactly sure what you're saying since the original GT500 was a big ol' torquey 428 and was actually not the fastest mustang because, in '68, you could order the W-code 427 4-bolt-main side-oiler in a vanilla mustang -- the single-quad version of the legendary 427 race motor. Or you could order the 428 R-code, virtually identical to the GT500 motor, for only $170 more than the 390 S-code in a vanilly 'stang. Of these combos the 427 in the vanilla 'stang was considerably faster than the GT500 or even the 428 GT500KR, truth be told. The 427 was a very expensive option (about $1,400), bringing the cost in a base fastback up to near the cost of a GT500. In fact the 427 option included virtually all the mechanical upgrades of the GT500/500KR, just no stripes and more actual horsepower (ratings were a game back then). I bought the S-code 390/325HP 'cause I was a kid making $80/week! <sigh>

 

My point is that I don't know why you're so hung up on the name GT500 having to be the perfect and the badest Mustang. The '60s Shelbys with the 428 weighed-in at over 3800lbs (and they didn't have to meet any crash standards!) and the 2007 GT500 is considerably quicker than any of the 60s versions and even faster than the 427 w-code in a vanilla 'stang by a wide margin. So, I think this baby is doing ok for itself. Just one man's view though.

 

Not trying to convince you of anything, just that in 2007, a car that has 500 HP and all the systems to handle that (the '67/68 had inadequate brakes even with the upgraded optional discs) with aplomb and meet crash standards and emissions standards for $43K or so is pretty darn extraordinary! This car is clearly the fastest, best-handling, best-stopping GT500 ever made -- by a rather wide margin.

 

If you remove the crash standards (potential for less weight) or move the price point to $70K the mustang could be very different and much faster, but that isn't 2007 or a steel-bodied pony car.

 

Am I missing what you're saying?

 

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PS - when replying to a post, click reply and then type below the 'bracket-slash-QUOTE-bracket' and your posts will format correctly. -Dan

 

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[BrianDesigner]

Apologies! I just saw the how to reply tip. Thanks for helping a newbie!

[68fastback]

Apologies! I just saw the how to reply tip. Thanks for helping a newbie!

 

 

You're welcome...

 

...and I'm starting to pick up what you're putting down.

 

It was funny too, back then, because if you ordered a certain engine in a vanilla stang you sometimes had other things mandatory in the price, other times it just pre-req'd other options. In '68 if you went for the S-code 390 in a vanilla fastback, it came with drum brakes (yikes!) unless you opted the front disks. If you popped for the 428 (under $200 more) it included the discs, and if you went full tilt for the 427 side oiler, you got a whole ton of mods included. Guess they didn't want you kill yourself to easily.

 

But, yeah, the GT500 was a total package: handling (within its balance limitations of 58/42), braking, cooling -- even had a power-steering cooler!

 

Have fun!

 

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See - that's what I want - let me order the 5.4 blown Shelby motor and perhaps the brakes - but save the rest.

 

Mopars were similar. You could order the 426 Hemi in most all Satellites and Coronets. $900.

[442forever(noolds)]

The evolution thread in mods,"check the vid of the dyno", defines why this car was released as it was.

The car was built with ample power for most. And for those such as myself that want to lose the manners, The car was built very well to accomodate another 150hp.

All that was done to improve the car evolution has was a tune, opening the exhaust and cai. I can live with that expense.

Also, the upgrades personalize the car so you know not everyones car will be like yours.