jaaman Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I suspect that I may be heading for catastrophic failure with my Tranny, my symptoms are the hissing and the 2nd gear crunch also on one occasion it would not let me down shift into 3rd gear. My car was built on 8-22-06 and has 11,200 miles on it. Does any one out there know of any dealer in my area that wont jerk me around?????????? I live in Moorpark,CA 93021 Thanks Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68fastback Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I suspect that I may be heading for catastrophic failure with my Tranny, my symptoms are the hissing and the 2nd gear crunch also on one occasion it would not let me down shift into 3rd gear. My car was built on 8-22-06 and has 11,200 miles on it. Does any one out there know of any dealer in my area that wont jerk me around?????????? I live in Moorpark,CA 93021 Thanks Jay Jay, I don't know of a specific dealer, but I assume you've read thru the tranny/clutch thread(s) and know that the service department needs to call the hot line for information, etc (the tranny/clutch service issue is not in the printed/CD service materials). There are several who have been thru the process here and there are a few dealers in here too who may be able to point you. Good luck! On the bright side, it will be SOOOOO much better after they replace the clutch and tranny under warranty! ;-) Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsublett Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 I'm hearing that the repair needs to be done prior to 12K miles which is when the warranty on the clutch ends. Is that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankc5601 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I'm hearing that the repair needs to be done prior to 12K miles which is when the warranty on the clutch ends. Is that true? If I recall, powertrain is 60months, 60,000 miles, whichever comes first. If I am wrong on that, it is definitely 36 months, 36,000 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500FLYBOY Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 The car's basic warranty is 36000 miles bumper to bumper. Wear items are not covered - brakes, clutch, etc. However, due to the special circumstances of the tranny spline and clutch problem, they have been replacing the clutch in many cases - but not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud9 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 If I recall, powertrain is 60months, 60,000 miles, whichever comes first. If I am wrong on that, it is definitely 36 months, 36,000 miles. That is my understanding as well. 5 years 60,000 on the powertrain. Can one of you dealers verify this for us? I know Ford changed their warranty right before I bought mine last June and my dealer told me my car got the improved warrranty even though it was built 11/06. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY500SS Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I suspect that I may be heading for catastrophic failure with my Tranny, my symptoms are the hissing and the 2nd gear crunch also on one occasion it would not let me down shift into 3rd gear. My car was built on 8-22-06 and has 11,200 miles on it. Does any one out there know of any dealer in my area that wont jerk me around?????????? I live in Moorpark,CA 93021 Thanks Jay Sorry to see this problem popping up on you Jay. I know a couple of guys taking there GT500's to Vista Ford for service. Give them a call, maybe they can help. Good luck and keep us updated. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07CSM0260 Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Sorry to see this problem popping up on you Jay. I know a couple of guys taking there GT500's to Vista Ford for service. Give them a call, maybe they can help. Good luck and keep us updated. Dan I have taken mine into my local dealer three times and they say there is a technical bulliten that states the clutch may make noise but that nothing needs to be done. When the car is in neutral and the clutch is out, once in a while it sounds like a bearing going out, but not very often. I have heard it scratching from 50 feet away before. The dealers service rep has heard it too but when the district Ford rep arrived, he said nothing is wrong. My car is going to SAI this week for 40th. Will Ford try and back out of fixing the problem after the car has been modified? Thanks, Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500FLYBOY Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 That is my understanding as well. 5 years 60,000 on the powertrain. Can one of you dealers verify this for us? I know Ford changed their warranty right before I bought mine last June and my dealer told me my car got the improved warrranty even though it was built 11/06. Actually - I think you're correct on the power train. Though I still don't believe the clutch is covered in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpretzel Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 I have taken mine into my local dealer three times and they say there is a technical bulliten that states the clutch may make noise but that nothing needs to be done. When the car is in neutral and the clutch is out, once in a while it sounds like a bearing going out, but not very often. I have heard it scratching from 50 feet away before. The dealers service rep has heard it too but when the district Ford rep arrived, he said nothing is wrong. My car is going to SAI this week for 40th. Will Ford try and back out of fixing the problem after the car has been modified? Thanks, Jon. In neutral with the clutch out, the clutch will hiss, and that's normal. If you then push the clutch in and the hiss continues for a few seconds, that's bad. That means the clutch is not disengaging properly and leads to 1st to 2nd gear grind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07-SHLB Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 In neutral with the clutch out, the clutch will hiss, and that's normal. If you then push the clutch in and the hiss continues for a few seconds, that's bad. That means the clutch is not disengaging properly and leads to 1st to 2nd gear grind. I keep reading alternate versions of the Hiss Test..."In neutral with the cluctch out, the clutch will hiss" does this mean with no pressure or foot on the actual clutch peddle it should hiss? If so, I have a problem because mine will only hiss if I apply pressure to the pedal, then it goes away once the pedal is to the floor or "clutch pushed in" ...It will hiss a again for a short instance when released or foot off the pedal. Is there a simple 3 or 4 point example of how to tell if I have a problem on my 06/07 build date? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
07CSM0260 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 In neutral with the clutch out, the clutch will hiss, and that's normal. If you then push the clutch in and the hiss continues for a few seconds, that's bad. That means the clutch is not disengaging properly and leads to 1st to 2nd gear grind. The car shifts like clockwork. Never a problem getting into any gear. If I'm out of the car and it is running ( in neutral of course) the throughout bearing makes noise once in a while. If I place any pressure at all on the clutch pedal, the noise stops. It sounds like regular thoughout bearing issue; never s shifting issue. Thanks for the help. Dr. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobrafan Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 This thread is depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormerGmc Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Very! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcthorne Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 The clutch wear components, clutch pressure plat, clutch disk and flywheel, are only covered under the initial adjustment period of the warranty, 12m/12k miles. They are not a part of the powertrain warranty. With the clutch out (foot off the pedal) and car in neutral and ideling, the only noise should be some slight gear rollover noise, no hiss. The hiss should only be heard within the 'friction zone' of the clutch, IE when it is slipping. When the clutch is fully depressed, the hiss should stop. The hiss is the sound the ceramic friction material makes against the flywheel when it is slipping. I have this sinking feeling that these $2500 clutches are not going to be long lived, even in spirited street driving. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobrafan Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 The clutch wear components, clutch pressure plat, clutch disk and flywheel, are only covered under the initial adjustment period of the warranty, 12m/12k miles. They are not a part of the powertrain warranty. With the clutch out (foot off the pedal) and car in neutral and ideling, the only noise should be some slight gear rollover noise, no hiss. The hiss should only be heard within the 'friction zone' of the clutch, IE when it is slipping. When the clutch is fully depressed, the hiss should stop. The hiss is the sound the ceramic friction material makes against the flywheel when it is slipping. I have this sinking feeling that these $2500 clutches are not going to be long lived, even in spirited street driving. Time will tell. I'm not a wrench, just a guy who signs a check when he picks up his car, so sometimes my questions may be somewhat basic, please bear with me. If there is no warranty, such as in the 725 hp upgrade or additional mods that people do, can the problem be fixed before everything goes out by opening up the tranny, changing the clutch and or spline lubing everything, and putting it back together. The full meal deal that folks are getting done after something goes out has to be 6,000 to 8000 or more versus maybe 3,000 for a new clutch. I'm having a hard time sleeping, I had to go to the doctor to get the heavy duty Lunesta perscription. I still have nightmares though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500-07 Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I'm not a wrench, just a guy who signs a check when he picks up his car, so sometimes my questions may be somewhat basic, please bear with me. If there is no warranty, such as in the 725 hp upgrade or additional mods that people do, can the problem be fixed before everything goes out by opening up the tranny, changing the clutch and or spline lubing everything, and putting it back together. The full meal deal that folks are getting done after something goes out has to be 6,000 to 8000 or more versus maybe 3,000 for a new clutch. I'm having a hard time sleeping, I had to go to the doctor to get the heavy duty Lunesta perscription. I still have nightmares though. The problem is SAI can not do this work. I've asked Tasca to look at my input shaft and lube if needed. If my clutch goes out, I'll get a SPEC or equal for a replacment. Not sure what my options are on a tranny. http://treperformance.com/c-60691-gt500.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 I'm not a wrench, just a guy who signs a check when he picks up his car, so sometimes my questions may be somewhat basic, please bear with me. If there is no warranty, such as in the 725 hp upgrade or additional mods that people do, can the problem be fixed before everything goes out by opening up the tranny, changing the clutch and or spline lubing everything, and putting it back together. The full meal deal that folks are getting done after something goes out has to be 6,000 to 8000 or more versus maybe 3,000 for a new clutch. I'm having a hard time sleeping, I had to go to the doctor to get the heavy duty Lunesta perscription. I still have nightmares though. I feel your pain. I'm heavily modded and past the 12 mo. time frame. The good news is no issue with the clutch yet and pass the test with no problem as far as hissing goes. I was a Oct. 06 build so right in the problem zone. I've collected a lot of info on this for if/when I have to go in and do something but other than a little hitch getting into R after sitting all winter I've had no issue - got out for a drive Sunday and it was nice and smooth so I am hoping no worries but the only thing that gives me peace when I think about it is how much info I have to show Ford has acknowledged the problem and many have gotten a fix and there are some good folks out there helping us. Drive it and have fun and if the issue pops up then take it and be armed with info as much as you can. good luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasShelby Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Whatever you do, take it in before 12000 miles....clutches are a wear item and have been refused with over that amount. That's why there wasn't a recall. So they wouldn't have to fix some. Really nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500-07 Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 We are waiting to back from the tech line. 11months,1080miles,clutch hiss,grind from 1st to 2nd and hard to down shift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobrafan Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 OK, I now have some short term comfort. I went to the local Ford dealer and talked with my sales guy about this issue. He took me to the service manager and we discussed the possible problem. He asked if I had any problems. I responded, when cold, some difficulty shifting between 1st and 2nd. We scheduled an appointment. They dropped the tranny and checked everything out. No rust, no problems. Blue lubed the spline and put everything back together. The cost would have been around $300, but was covered by warranty. The service manager seems to think there will be no problems. The good news is I now have a document from the service department with comments from the mechanic stating, "clutch sticking and rubbing against flywheel. Cleaned and lubed input shaft and reinstalled" Should I ever have a problem and the tranny goes out, I suspect that it will be much easier to get it fixed under warranty even with the 725 KP because this was done at 1588 miles. There are advantages to having a local relationship with a good dealer. I'm going to sleep a little better tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 OK, I now have some short term comfort. I went to the local Ford dealer and talked with my sales guy about this issue. He took me to the service manager and we discussed the possible problem. He asked if I had any problems. I responded, when cold, some difficulty shifting between 1st and 2nd. We scheduled an appointment. They dropped the tranny and checked everything out. No rust, no problems. Blue lubed the spline and put everything back together. The cost would have been around $300, but was covered by warranty. The service manager seems to think there will be no problems. The good news is I now have a document from the service department with comments from the mechanic stating, "clutch sticking and rubbing against flywheel. Cleaned and lubed input shaft and reinstalled" Should I ever have a problem and the tranny goes out, I suspect that it will be much easier to get it fixed under warranty even with the 725 KP because this was done at 1588 miles. There are advantages to having a local relationship with a good dealer. I'm going to sleep a little better tonight The Blue lube is a thing of beuaty! :happy feet: Congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckySnake Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 OK, I now have some short term comfort. I went to the local Ford dealer and talked with my sales guy about this issue. He took me to the service manager and we discussed the possible problem. He asked if I had any problems. I responded, when cold, some difficulty shifting between 1st and 2nd. We scheduled an appointment. They dropped the tranny and checked everything out. No rust, no problems. Blue lubed the spline and put everything back together. The cost would have been around $300, but was covered by warranty. The service manager seems to think there will be no problems. The good news is I now have a document from the service department with comments from the mechanic stating, "clutch sticking and rubbing against flywheel. Cleaned and lubed input shaft and reinstalled" Should I ever have a problem and the tranny goes out, I suspect that it will be much easier to get it fixed under warranty even with the 725 KP because this was done at 1588 miles. There are advantages to having a local relationship with a good dealer. I'm going to sleep a little better tonight That was a smart move. If your shifting improves between 1st and second when cold, I would say your golden. My car had the same symptoms as yours until one day it just wouldn't go into gear. Day and night difference since the replacement, no crunching of second when cold and 4th to 5th has a much better shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Yeah but will it stay on the spline for any length of time??????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Yeah but will it stay on the spline for any length of time??????????????? The Teflon properties in this lube have some scientific properties in it that makes it stick real well and Teflon molecules in it that bond to the shaft and clutch hub that prevent corrosion. It also really helps the mating of the 2 surfaces so they can get to know each other well during break in. This can is $65 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsharapa Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 If you are having problems go to your Ford Dealer and have them open up a warranty ticket and investigate your concern. Even if they find no problem found (NPF) you will have a record filed in the warranty system. I heard through a good source Ford is investigating possible clutch concerns on the GT500 so they will be looking at the number of claims opened even if NPF is noted and any technical reports the dealership makes. The clutch is covered under wear items which is a 12 month 12,000 mile coverage but if Ford determines there is a concern or defect they will and have handled concerns like this beyond the stated coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobrafan Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Yeah but will it stay on the spline for any length of time??????????????? Good point. Hopefully grabber's take on the lube is spot on. But I would think that the old saying something is better than nothing applies to some degree. Every couple of years spending $300 bucks for a redo it would be a pretty good investment in preventive maintenance. Again, if there are ever problems with the tranny, at least it's on record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobrafan Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I heard through a good source Ford is investigating possible clutch concerns on the GT500 so they will be looking at the number of claims opened even if NPF is noted and any technical reports the dealership makes. For once I think the bean counters need to get involved. If 12,000 units were produced prior to the build change and the cost of a quick fix is $300, it costs Ford a little more than 3.5 million on a recall. At $11,000 to replace the whole shooting match the break point is somewhere in the neighborhood of 335 units before it is a net sum loss versus a recall. They have to be close to the half way point already with the number of posts that we have seen on the forum. It's time for someone at Ford to sit down at the calculator and do the math and save us all some grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Have mine in the shop and as of today my diagnosis as verified bt the SVT tech is that my issue is "normal" my symptoms were a hissing when the clutch is being depressed (1/2 way to the floor) and shifting to second is not too bad no lockout but sometimes when cold it is hard to get into second but the occurance is not really a problem all the time PS my dealer is Mossy ford in San Diego not exactly down the street from you nut these guys have neveer jerked me around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svt boost Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Have mine in the shop and as of today my diagnosis as verified bt the SVT tech is that my issue is "normal" my symptoms were a hissing when the clutch is being depressed (1/2 way to the floor) and shifting to second is not too bad no lockout but sometimes when cold it is hard to get into second but the occurance is not really a problem all the time PS my dealer is Mossy ford in San Diego not exactly down the street from you nut these guys have neveer jerked me around in my opinion mossy ford has the best techs around; your clutch should hiss when half way to the floor that is the clutch engaging. if it continues to hiss when fully depressed then that is a problem. 1 to 2 and 2 to 3 can be notchy with this transmission, also normal. where in SD are you? What color car? I have an Red w/ white stripe 07. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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