sudden Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I live in Northern California and the dealers here want to sit on their Shelbys . They still have huge ADM , in the 50 grand area. They have 4 at each dealer. They told me that these cars will appreciate, so the longer they keep them the more they are worth. I think if they do not sell for those prices then the owners of the dealers will just keep them in storage. Kind of makes sense to me. Sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shel-b001 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Good Luck to them but I doubt it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 20-30 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedRacer Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 20-30 years... +1, and they are selling at or below MSRP in other locations.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69dejavue Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 30-40 YEARS, AND THEN MAYBE. IT WILL STILL BE A VERY POOR INVESTMENT. 40 K INVESTED IN THE STOCK MARKET WILL YIELD FAR MORE IN 30-40 YEARS. ONE REASON THEY MAY BE TRYING FOR THE HIGH ADM IS THEY NOW NEED TO CHARGE MORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING INTEREST FOR NEARLY A YEAR. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN YOU COULD GET THE ADM AND THAT TIME HAS PASSED. THEY MISSED IT BY BEING GREEDY. NOW THEY WILL HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE WILLING TO PAY A RIDICULIOUS PRICE (LOW PROBABILITY) OR LOSE MONEY. EVENTUALLY THEY WILL HAVE TO CUT THEIR LOSSES AS THEY ARE PAYING ON THE CARS EVERY MONTH. THIS SITE IS FULL OF PEOPLE THAT PAID 36-38 K FOR THE SAME CARS. THEY ALSO THINK THIS CAR WILL APPRECIATE LIKE THE SHELBY GT 350 BUT THERE ARE 5,763 OF THESE VEHICLES. THAT IS HARDLY EXCLUSIVITY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudden Posted February 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 That might be true, but not around here. I do not know if people make more money here or it is more of a car culture. This is northern california where we pay more for everything around here. Sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilkilla Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 we have a collection of 9. wheee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Morris Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 That might be true, but not around here. I do not know if people make more money here or it is more of a car culture. This is northern california where we pay more for everything around here. Sudden. i have sold ALOT of the SGTs, but i dont see them being collectable for a LONG time. i just bought an 07 from another dealer that i can sell you for BACK of invoice!!!! michael morris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDan Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Ther's a 07 and an 08 at Fairfield Ford that will go for the same price I paid...@ $37k. Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudden Posted February 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 If you know your Shelby history,and I know you all do. No body wanted Shelby Mustangs when they first came out. I know this sounds old. But if you think about it CS is older now and god bless him hope he stays around awhile. But the reality is that these kind of cars will be going away with him. No more signatures on dashes etc, etc,. If there are Shelbys later, they will not have his involvement, thus less desireable even if they make any. Purists will want the ones he was involved with, even the dodge shelbys. Ford will not be able to make any muscle cars in the near future due to the trend to go green on fuel. It will suprise you how fast these cars will appriceate with all these factors. Maybe the dealers around here are right after all. Sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Morris Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 If you know your Shelby history,and I know you all do. No body wanted Shelby Mustangs when they first came out. I know this sounds old. But if you think about it CS is older now and god bless him hope he stays around awhile. But the reality is that these kind of cars will be going away with him. No more signatures on dashes etc, etc,. If there are Shelbys later, they will not have his involvement, thus less desireable even if they make any. Purists will want the ones he was involved with, even the dodge shelbys. Ford will not be able to make any muscle cars in the near future due to the trend to go green on fuel. It will suprise you how fast these cars will appriceate with all these factors. Maybe the dealers around here are right after all. Sudden. i SURE hope your right!!! the car i just bought will make me look like the smartest car guy ever!! michael morris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webba Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Yea they are right. In 2040. And as someone said if you put the 30K it costs them in the market it will be worth alot more by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudden Posted February 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Keep in mind that there are social and economic issues that will make these cars gone in the near future. Just like the late 60s and 70s. We are in the middle of a muscle car boom now but those days are ending sooner then you think. I am sure a person could make more money investing in Green related energy, but car guys are car guys . The reallity is that people just do not have a lot of money to throw around nowadays. An adm or ggt on a car that gets bad gas mileage is not real desireable nowadays either. Kind of bad timing for all musclecars. Yes history repeats itself and we are seeing that now. I say these cars will be worth twice the amount as they become more rare to get. That is coming in the near future faster then you think.. You will be saying," heck I sold that car for invoice, what was I thinking". Sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dodge Shelby: Dream Car #2: Does anyone know if SAI is exclusive with Ford? I know I'd pay a bundle to have a GT-like makeover on the new Challenger. Imagine a Paxton or Whipple on a 6.1L (372CuIn) Hemi? For this I *would* get bigger brakes Amy, you listenin'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdear Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 That might be true, but not around here. I do not know if people make more money here or it is more of a car culture. This is northern california where we pay more for everything around here. Sudden. You haven't lived in Florida lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdear Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 i SURE hope your right!!! the car i just bought will make me look like the smartest car guy ever!!michael morris Well....if you aren't the SMARTEST ..you will at least be one of the fastest !! I am still having flashbacks of cutting across 4 lanes of interstate to get off on that exit ramp in Vegas ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilkilla Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 You will be saying," heck I sold that car for invoice, what was I thinking". Sudden. I.E. 2004 Lightnings and Mustang SVT Cobras.... big incentives and rebates, but one the last ones were gone, we got so many calls on them that it was hilarious with the offers, after just selling the lightning UNDER invoice(last new one available in country at the time) and D-Planned the last SVT Mustang(we had located the car from another dealer, brought it in on trailer. It looked like the guy had taken it out to a field and done donuts for an hour or so. It had a few hundred miles as well. Customer we'd gotten it for, REFUSED IT. His saleswoman said, "MINE!" and we get to see her drive it in from time to time " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudden Posted February 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Ya. It is the classic human nature story. Once they are all gone or you cant buy one , then everybody wants one! If I had the money I would buy as many as I could and put them away. Remember the bottom line, it is a Shelby mustang with a CSM number. That number means alot. No CSM numbers on GT 500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyPilot Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 No CSM numbers on GT 500. .....all the GT500 owners take a deep breath and let us not go down that road again. All the modern Shelbys ARE Shelbys. If one appreciates because of Mr. Shelby's name they all will. Now the Shelby GTs might appreciate better because there are fewer of them and in reality only a one year run (2007 Job 2 and 2008 Job1). Amy has said there will not be a 2009 Shelby GT. BUT, on the other hand. There are more color choices for the GT500 which can have an effect. It might be hard to sell your 2007 Shelby GT to a collector if they don't want a black or white car. More importantly the Shelby GT doesn't have a magical name. The name has done alot for the the GT500. The person who is not a Shelby enthusiast knows about the GT500 they don't know about the Shelby GT. I get asked all the time, "is that the 500HP shelby?" Well yes (for mine) and no in general. I have done much explaining about my Shelby GT and that it isn't the GT500. Even at Mustang and Shelby shows. Heck there are even Ford sales people out there that think the Shelby GT is a fake or just a body kit. Either way, the appreciation is not going to happen in the near future. And whenever it does happen it won't get you the money that real estate or good market investing would have. These cars are built to drive and have fun not make money. Lastly, I went back and read this thread a second time. Sudden, you sound a bit like a dealer trying to justify and excessive ADM or a consumer who paid an excessive ADM trying to rationalize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuLu Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I live in Northern California and the dealers here want to sit on their Shelbys . They still have huge ADM , in the 50 grand area. They have 4 at each dealer. They told me that these cars will appreciate, so the longer they keep them the more they are worth. I think if they do not sell for those prices then the owners of the dealers will just keep them in storage. Kind of makes sense to me. Sudden. Well...It doesn't make sense to me. Dealerships are in the business of selling cars, not collecting them. The key is turnover, because the longer they sit on inventory, the less gross revenue it earns from a sale. No revenue means no new inventory, no payroll, operational overhead on the rise, ect. I think you get my point. Lots of valid points have been raised here in this thread about long term value and expectations of increased value in the future, but it's still a coin toss. Thus, a basic principle of money has slipped aside, which is "money that doesn't circulate looses value". Simple case in point; Let's say that today, you can buy 1 pound of pure farm dung for 10.00 per pound. You can buy that one pound today and process it into 50 pounds of high quality fertilizer, and re-sell that for 5.00 per pound. That's 250 bucks, minus (a generous estimate) of half that for the cost of processing and production. Your 10 bucks earns 125 bucks on your investment. However, let's say you decide to take your 10 bucks and stick it under your mattress for 20 years. You have something set aside for the future, but it's still 10 bucks. How much pure farm dung will 10 bucks buy in 20 years? Can't say, but prolly not much, because in 20 years, pure farm dung may cost 50 bucks bucks per pound. What's the value of your original 10 bucks? I have nothing against dealerships, and don't begrudge them their right to make a profit. But, when it turns to greed, I don't shed tear one when they get burned. I also admire anyone who can buy a car and wrap it up for 20 years, best wishes. But, automobiles are disposable products. Buy them and love them like fine art. Enjoy them. Dollar for pound, my SGT has turned out to be the best automibile investment I have ever made. I drove the snot out of it last fall, and come spring, I'm going to continue on. This is the immediate return on my investment, 'cause I won't be here in 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gofastguy Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 If you know your Shelby history,and I know you all do. No body wanted Shelby Mustangs when they first came out. I know this sounds old. But if you think about it CS is older now and god bless him hope he stays around awhile. But the reality is that these kind of cars will be going away with him. No more signatures on dashes etc, etc,. If there are Shelbys later, they will not have his involvement, thus less desireable even if they make any. Purists will want the ones he was involved with, even the dodge shelbys. Ford will not be able to make any muscle cars in the near future due to the trend to go green on fuel. It will suprise you how fast these cars will appriceate with all these factors. Maybe the dealers around here are right after all. Sudden. The similarities between the modern and 60's Shelby cars are interesting--especially the sitting on the lots unsold when new. However, it was a LONG time until the 60's ones were anything other than worn out used cars. If (and it's a really big "if") ours DO become valuable, it's going to be a long time. Unless you are pretty young now, the best we will be able to do is sit back and smile about the great Shelby we had back when it was new. My son seems too understand that it's a special car and I am hopeful that he will have the sense to hang on to it when I pass it on to him in the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcarl1 Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 I live in Northern California and the dealers here want to sit on their Shelbys . They still have huge ADM , in the 50 grand area. They have 4 at each dealer. They told me that these cars will appreciate, so the longer they keep them the more they are worth. I think if they do not sell for those prices then the owners of the dealers will just keep them in storage. Kind of makes sense to me. Sudden. I live in central Calif. and all the dealers in my area want over $50,000 for there SGT's and I looked at a GT500 and they wanted $77,000 for it,said they might take $70,000 for it. I personally think there crazy. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdear Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Wow !!! They might be sitting on those awhile !!! *waving hi to bigcarl !! * Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcarl1 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Wow !!! They might be sitting on those awhile !!! *waving hi to bigcarl !! * Sue waving back Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobjshelbys Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 I live in central Calif. and all the dealers in my area want over $50,000 for there SGT's and I looked at a GT500 and they wanted $77,000 for it,said they might take $70,000 for it. I personally think there crazy. Carl I have a get rich quick idea. A class to teach these guys about The Internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 .....all the GT500 owners take a deep breath and let us not go down that road again. All the modern Shelbys ARE Shelbys. If one appreciates because of Mr. Shelby's name they all will. Thanks ShelbyPilot! :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08SGT0004 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Keep in mind that there are social and economic issues that will make these cars gone in the near future. Just like the late 60s and 70s. We are in the middle of a muscle car boom now but those days are ending sooner then you think. I am sure a person could make more money investing in Green related energy, but car guys are car guys . The reallity is that people just do not have a lot of money to throw around nowadays. An adm or ggt on a car that gets bad gas mileage is not real desireable nowadays either. Kind of bad timing for all musclecars. Yes history repeats itself and we are seeing that now. I say these cars will be worth twice the amount as they become more rare to get. That is coming in the near future faster then you think.. You will be saying," heck I sold that car for invoice, what was I thinking". Sudden. Check... Stock market is too shakey now that everything is global (smoke and mirrors)... Beware, the Robber Barrons of the 1900's are back!!! Shelbys are a sure bet... safer than U.S. Savings Bonds. When I'm done paying for this one... my next one will be one of the "new" Shelby Daytona Coupes. LLCS!!! R/ J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08SGT0004 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 The similarities between the modern and 60's Shelby cars are interesting--especially the sitting on the lots unsold when new. However, it was a LONG time until the 60's ones were anything other than worn out used cars. If (and it's a really big "if") ours DO become valuable, it's going to be a long time. Unless you are pretty young now, the best we will be able to do is sit back and smile about the great Shelby we had back when it was new. My son seems too understand that it's a special car and I am hopeful that he will have the sense to hang on to it when I pass it on to him in the future... Mr. Shelby is using the same formula for success as he did back in the Sixties... I'm a firm believer of "If it ain't broke... Don't fix it!!!" SAI cars will skyrocket much faster/higher than they did back then, due to "Global" vice "US" demand for "hands-on" Shelby(s). Mark my word... p.s. and if you still think that's nuts... peep out what vanity license plates are going for at Dubai auctions. Plate number "5" went for more than $5.6 million U.S. The Rolls Royce it went on $350,000. In the upcoming auction scheduled in February, they already have a buyer willing to pay up to $22 million U.S. for the "1" plate. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=d...+plate+auctions http://search.cnn.com/search.jsp?query=dub...&intl=false Now THATS NUTS!!! R/ J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08SGT0004 Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 If you know your Shelby history,and I know you all do. No body wanted Shelby Mustangs when they first came out. I know this sounds old. But if you think about it CS is older now and god bless him hope he stays around awhile. But the reality is that these kind of cars will be going away with him. No more signatures on dashes etc, etc,. If there are Shelbys later, they will not have his involvement, thus less desireable even if they make any. Purists will want the ones he was involved with, even the dodge shelbys. Ford will not be able to make any muscle cars in the near future due to the trend to go green on fuel. It will suprise you how fast these cars will appriceate with all these factors. Maybe the dealers around here are right after all. Sudden. +1000 r/ j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuLu Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Guess I'll let my two nephews worry about the value of my SGT in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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