Reino Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Ive been researching different tires for the last month or so and was talking to a tire dealer last week who mentioned he received better quality tires from BFG then another tire dealer I had talked with. Ive searched to see if this is true and havent found a definitive answer. I did find on a Import website where someone claimed this was true but didnt go much into it other then saying "coscto doesnt get quality tires". In a phone call with BFG they said this wasnt true and all tires go through the same quality checks but then again are they really going to say "dont buy our tires from them because they dont have the best quality"? Im thinking there was probably truth in what BFG told me but does anyone know it to be factual there are different quality tires shipped to different places? I found a sweet deal on ebay but with this new info Im a little hesitant to buy tires on ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aonebadbone Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 It would be my understanding that if a particular tire from the same manufacture at one store sold that tire for $50 and the exact tire sold at another store was $60 the quality would be the same. The price difference could be because they sell more tires at one place than the other so they can afford to sell tires cheaper and move more product. You cant compare BFG to Goodyear But all tires sold in the US. are inspected and tested to insure safety. cheaper tires usually don't last as long as more expensive tires. I hope this helps. Art Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reino Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 It would be my understanding that if a particular tire from the same manufacture at one store sold that tire for $50 and the exact tire sold at another store was $60 the quality would be the same. The price difference could be because they sell more tires at one place than the other so they can afford to sell tires cheaper and move more product. You cant compare BFG to Goodyear But all tires sold in the US. are inspected and tested to insure safety. cheaper tires usually don't last as long as more expensive tires. I hope this helps. Art I thank you but I dont think I was clear in my first post. I was looking at the same exact tire at both places, the BFG g-force KDW. The second tire dealer stated they received better quality BFG g-force KDW's then the other dealer. My question is, is it possible for a dealer to receive the exact same tire, ie. the BFG g-force KDW, in a better quality then another dealer for one reason or another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffIsHereToo Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I thank you but I dont think I was clear in my first post. I was looking at the same exact tire at both places, the BFG g-force KDW. The second tire dealer stated they received better quality BFG g-force KDW's then the other dealer. My question is, is it possible for a dealer to receive the exact same tire, ie. the BFG g-force KDW, in a better quality then another dealer for one reason or another? Speaking as someone that works for a manufacturer that would be insane and drive up costs. I'm not saying it isn't true, and I have no direct knowledge, but to think you would create the same product two different ways, makes NO SENSE. You fist have to set up two different manufacturing processes. Second, you have no control over where a customer buys. Imagine a reviewer just going to shop "A" to buy these tires test. Only problem is Shop "A" has the lower quality tires. oops! Bad review! How about creating a market presence where customers are price sensitive anyway, I mean once you decide upon a make/model you're shopping for best price right? So you're driving your customers to the lower quality tire and again creating a bad impression in the marketplace. In other words, like Chewbaka living with Ewoks, it makers no sense and I call major BS! I would go back to the first dealer and tell him what the second said and let them fight it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuLu Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 When I was a kid, I remember buying "blems", but that was blemished white sidewalls, nothing wrong with the tire, and I was mounting them blackwall out anyway. But, things have changed today, and I think someone was blowing some smoke up your butt. Salesmen... Look at it this way? There's a lot of product liability for BFG here. Would they risk those troubles by letting a substandard tire out the side door? I think not. Think of the Firestone/Ford Explorer situation a few years back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alloy Dave Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I call major BS! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave c Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 When I was a kid, I remember buying "blems", but that was blemished white sidewalls, nothing wrong with the tire, and I was mounting them blackwall out anyway. But, things have changed today, and I think someone was blowing some smoke up your butt. Salesmen... Look at it this way? There's a lot of product liability for BFG here. Would they risk those troubles by letting a substandard tire out the side door? I think not. Think of the Firestone/Ford Explorer situation a few years back? I learned quite a few years back how Costco works. Went to Costco and got a quote on a set of four Michelin tires, took tire size and quote to Discount tire and asked for a price. I didn't tell Discount where I got the quote, puts the size and number into computer and says, this is a Costco tire. I'm like really, how do you know? He explains Costco buys in large volume, same tire as others carry, but with slightly different model number, but basically the same tire. The one downfall with buying Costco tires, warranty work has to be done at a Costco, regardless of brand. My father been running Costco tires for years and he's never had an issue with quality or warranty work. Costco's one of the few companies that stands behind the products they sell, regardless of brand. If you're not happy with the product, they will refund your money, in most cases. Hope this helps, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moabman Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Can you just imagine a lawyer getting that info after a tire failure? I think there is no way that is true. BTW You do know that Goodrich is part of MAST - Michelin America Small Tire. If I were a small tire dealer, I would try and compete with the big boys by offering better service. I would make sure that whoever was mounting those tires on those expensive rims would not damage the rim and mount the tire's heavy spot opposite the rim's heavy spot. I would also offer a better balancing service and road hazard warranty and perhaps a rescue service within a certain radius. I would also try an educate my customers so that they would know the difference between good and bad service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuLu Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Went to Costco and got a quote on a set of four Michelin tires, took tire size and quote to Discount tire and asked for a price. I didn't tell Discount where I got the quote, puts the size and number into computer and says, this is a Costco tire. I'm like really, how do you know? He explains Costco buys in large volume, same tire as others carry, but with slightly different model number, but basically the same tire. Same deal as Best Buy and Circuit City. Everything they sell seems to one number off on the model number. From notebook computer to flat panel TVs, you can't comparasion shop for the lowest price, because they are jumbling product numbers. If I were a small tire dealer, I would try and compete with the big boys by offering better service. I would make sure that whoever was mounting those tires on those expensive rims would not damage the rim and mount the tire's heavy spot opposite the rim's heavy spot. I would also offer a better balancing service and road hazard warranty and perhaps a rescue service within a certain radius. I would also try an educate my customers so that they would know the difference between good and bad service. OMG...+1 X 1000! Any chance you want to get into the retail tire business with me? You really have a handle on what is missing in America's retail market today. Bravo, sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reino Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 I thank you all for all the info. I guess I now know where I wont be buying tires. If I may ask one more question. I have read the topic on "Questions about tire size" several times as well as others and dont see the answer to my question. What is the smallest Aspect Ratio one would want? It seems most going with the 20" Wheels are going with an aspect ratio of 35. Would a 30 not be enough? I understand this would make a little rougher ride as well as a slightly lower ride but other then that are there any disadvantages? I now have the Chrome Shelby Torq-Thrust in my targets for my BFG g-force KDW's. The set up I have in mind is the 20x8.5 (38mm offset) wheel on front with a 255/30/20 tire and on the rear a 20x10 (48mm offset) wheel and a 285/30/20 tire. I have used the calculator provided my 07SGT4729 and the tire height only differs by 0.71" which I understand shouldnt be an issue. Any info/suggestions would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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