VEGASTY Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 i felt anew subject was more appropriate now that i am calmed down after 1month, sorry for the silence i was out of town, well i still do not have my car back, but the issue of me being responable for the stripe staining has been solved (i am not at fault, heck we all new that)and it also seems the dealer is not actually at fault either. the general manager omar has been very good and professional, he is now working directly with ford to have this issue resolved stat. he asked if i have seen my car since i gave it back 4 weeks now, i said no. he said he looked at it then and saw the staining i talked about blotchey all over, he took another look yesteday and said it now looks like pepporoni pizza, the stains have actually grown, it appears the striping is host to some form of mold. not sure if faulty stripe material or faulty install procedure. anyone else having stripe staining? i will keep you all posted of the out come, in the mean time they will give me free loaner car, heck i'll use it. hope its not an escort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattInDetroit Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 i felt anew subject was more appropriate now that i am calmed down after 1month, sorry for the silence i was out of town, well i still do not have my car back, but the issue of me being responable for the stripe staining has been solved (i am not at fault, heck we all new that)and it also seems the dealer is not actually at fault either. the general manager omar has been very good and professional, he is now working directly with ford to have this issue resolved stat. he asked if i have seen my car since i gave it back 4 weeks now, i said no. he said he looked at it then and saw the staining i talked about blotchey all over, he took another look yesteday and said it now looks like pepporoni pizza, the stains have actually grown, it appears the striping is host to some form of mold. not sure if faulty stripe material or faulty install procedure. anyone else having stripe staining? i will keep you all posted of the out come, in the mean time they will give me free loaner car, heck i'll use it. hope its not an escort Wow, yikes! Scary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 anyone else having stripe staining? Yes, I am.......gonna try ta take some pics this weekend...will post em here....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyPilot Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I didn't have anything that I could see. However, I took my car to a vinyal graphic place to have one hood stripe replace. It had a marks on/in it that seemed caused by some sort of straight edged tool during installation. When I went to pick up the car the installer told me they replaced the other stripe on the hood also because the stripe was discolored and it was noticeable when next to a new stripe. I didn't see the stripe before they did it so it is possible they screwed something up and were hiding the screw up. However, they said the discoloration was rust caused by water penetrating the top coat of the stripe and then reacting with the metal flake in the stripe. He said it is a common problem with metalic colored stripes. The stripe manufactures continually tell this guy that they have a new coating that will protect the stripe but after time they all begin to show discoloration from rust. He said, he couldnt predict when it will happen and that there is no pattern but eventually it will happen. I asked him if there was anything to protect the stripes. He said wax the stripes just like the paint. I asked does it have to be carnuba or can you use a polymer type polish. He said you can use whatever you choose for the paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGASTY Posted August 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 I didn't have anything that I could see. However, I took my car to a vinyal graphic place to have one hood stripe replace. It had a marks on/in it that seemed caused by some sort of straight edged tool during installation. When I went to pick up the car the installer told me they replaced the other stripe on the hood also because the stripe was discolored and it was noticeable when next to a new stripe. I didn't see the stripe before htey did it so it is possible they screwed something up and were hiding the screw up. However, they said the discoloration was rust caused by watter penetrating the top coat of the stripe and then reacting with the metal flake in the stripe. He said it is a common problem with metalic colored stripes. The stripe manufactures continually tell this guy that they have a new coating that will protect the stripe but after time they all begin to show discoloration from rust. He said, he couldnt predict when it will happen and that there is no pattern but eventually it will happen. I asked him if there was anything to protect the stripes. He said wax the stripes just like the paint. I asked does it have to be carnuba or can you ise a polymer type wax. He said you can use whatever you choose for the paint. wow sound like you got the answer socal, i'm gonna let the dealership know who is in talks with ford about this issue, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Wow, yikes! Scary! Yeah...it's like bein the best lookin kid in high school n waking up one morning n lookin in the mirror n seein a gross outbreak of acne....or something...... ok...it doesn't affect the performance or the enjoyment of a good ride.....but its there in the back of your mind..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGASTY Posted August 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Yeah...it's like bein the best lookin kid in high school n waking up one morning n lookin in the mirror n seein a gross outbreak of acne....or something...... ok...it doesn't affect the performance or the enjoyment of a good ride.....but its there in the back of your mind..... i took some pic of my rusting stripes today at the dealer, HERES THE PIC URL, THANKS DREAD for the help http://www.digital-surrealism.com/1.jpg http://www.digital-surrealism.com/2.jpg http://www.digital-surrealism.com/3.jpg http://www.digital-surrealism.com/4.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave c Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Vegasty, Thanks for the pics, I think. Wow that's really bad!!!!!!!!! Whats up with the paint? It doesn't look right, or is it just dirty. They must have used something that was contaminated when they cleaned the car or applied the stripes. Car looks like it's sat under a tree for years. Is there something wrong with the clear coat on the car? Is it just the horizontal surfaces(hood, roof, trunk lid) or is the whole car affected? Good luck keep us posted, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGASTY Posted September 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Vegasty, Thanks for the pics, I think. Wow that's really bad!!!!!!!!! Whats up with the paint? It doesn't look right, or is it just dirty. They must have used something that was contaminated when they cleaned the car or applied the stripes. Car looks like it's sat under a tree for years. Is there something wrong with the clear coat on the car? Is it just the horizontal surfaces(hood, roof, trunk lid) or is the whole car affected? Good luck keep us posted, Dave the car paint is fine, just dirty from sitting on the lot, i told them not to run through the auto car washer, the stripe staining is growing as every day goes on, as socal found out it is actually rust from the metal flakes in the silver under the stripe clear coat, moisture seems to seep through and starts the rust. the whole strip everywhere on the car is almost rust orange now. i do not feel isolated incident, dealer said he knows another dealer has replaced 7 cars stripes but he said last year, so must be mustangs maybe. i think alot more cars are going to get this stripe rust, for some reason mine was just accelerated i guess he also had another hood scoop sitting there for someone else who complained about rippling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyPilot Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 TY, How long did the car sit out side at HB Ford. They are only, what, about 2 miles from the beach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdear Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 We live near the gulf..no such problem. I noticed on the deck lid from the lettering down...the stripe is fine. Sure looks like they got some sort of "spray " of some sort on your stripes that ate into them and caused that reaction. Personally this looks like something your dealer created...not a problem with the stripe itself. Hope all works out well for you... I definately understand you being very upset of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattInDetroit Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Ok, I searched and I searched, I used different words in different combinations. I searched stripe shops, stripe manufacturers and the like, and I can find not one reference to the rusting of "Metallic" stripes. Not one. I am looking to find the MSDS or composition of our stripes. I think they would use actual "Metal" and at that not an aluminum or something doesn't seem right at all. I wonder if it's a mold of some kind or some chemical that is reacting to something and eating it away. I would cut some off and send it to your local county or state cooperative for an analysis. I'm sure 3M would be interested too. My point being that the idea that ONLY your stripes have this problem, when they come from large rolls and no other, makes me think it has to be something more going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGASTY Posted September 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 TY, How long did the car sit out side at HB Ford. They are only, what, about 2 miles from the beach? actually more like about 7 miles i think, whats weird is how fast this is happening, only 2 things i can think of is rust or mold as mentioned. strange is it is happening same speed to the original stripe parts and the replaced ones. either way very annoying. dealer advised ford warranty gave approval to send new set and dealer is sending ( my guess driving) to shelby's stripe contractor in los Angeles to replace the set, one must assume they will do a good job and this will be the end of it if in fact the stripe is not faulty. 2 plus months of payments and no car very sad . as far as mentioned below sending a piece for testing, i was told by a local stripe company that the old stripe is actually rubbed off not pulled off. i'm going to give bud the update in case he has not seen this new posting and the pics and maybe he will partner up with the stripe sub contractor to get a sample and see whats up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattInDetroit Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 strange is it is happening same speed to the original stripe parts and the replaced ones. either way very annoying. Humm....you're right, even stranger that the replacement set is doing the same thing. The only thing in common there is THE CAR or what you use to wash, wax, etc. I mean I can't believe you live in something like a 3-mile Island, so unless there is something really weird about your environment I think you can rule that out. All this talk about beach and stuff is off the mark given this same stuff is used to decal boats and jet skis. The two things I would focus on are: The car: Something (contaminant, small space aliens) on the paint that is under the stripes least likely in my mind. Washing/Waxing: Something in your water, soap, wax, the rag, etc., is reacting to the stripes. My fear is either way, if we don't know, it may just one day come back. I hope someone (SAI or 3M) asks you for samples and they get to the bottom of it. Of course....maybe your car isn't really a Shelby! You better check! Look under the car...near the muffler, does it say "Made in China"? :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGASTY Posted September 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Humm....you're right, even stranger that the replacement set is doing the same thing. The only thing in common there is THE CAR or what you use to wash, wax, etc. I mean I can't believe you live in something like a 3-mile Island, so unless there is something really weird about your environment I think you can rule that out. All this talk about beach and stuff is off the mark given this same stuff is used to decal boats and jet skis. The two things I would focus on are: The car: Something (contaminant, small space aliens) on the paint that is under the stripes least likely in my mind. Washing/Waxing: Something in your water, soap, wax, the rag, etc., is reacting to the stripes. My fear is either way, if we don't know, it may just one day come back. I hope someone (SAI or 3M) asks you for samples and they get to the bottom of it. Of course....maybe your car isn't really a Shelby! You better check! Look under the car...near the muffler, does it say "Made in China"? :o I tried emailing bud but his Email bounces, back, I'll try calling him next week. we can rule out the wash process because it was already breaking down when i picked it up before i washed the new stripes. i had the car for about 6 weeks before all this began and had no stripe staining, oh well we'll see how the new set fares, i obviously will delay riveting on my scoop , until satisfied with new stripes. have fun weekend in your shelby ,lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dread Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Well........my problem is different, I think, and no wheres near as bad.......but still....er...ugly: The stains on the top of the car are almost like acid eating into the stripe.........the ones on the hood and trunk are just blemishes... I just can't imagine the dealer allowing a car to get covered with bird crap....which is what I first thought the stains were from. The guy at the dealer can't figure it out........or is trying to hope I just forget about it.....ha ha I dunno...........but it ruins the appearance totally..: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdear Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 3M did not make our stripes...but I bet the company that did would be very interested in seeing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyPilot Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 According to the backing material that my set of replacement stripes came on they are made by Oracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattInDetroit Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 According to the backing material that my set of replacement stripes came on they are made by Oracle. Guess the database business isn't going well! My paint shop said they would paint the stripes, match the color, EVEN THE SHELBY GT side stripes for $3500. I think when/if mine get that bad it's what I'm going to do. He said it will be so smooth you won' be able to tell where the white ends and the silver begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFBLUE Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Oracle or Oracal? http://www.oracal.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyPilot Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 lol, I guess it was Oracal, sorr. I can look if it is really important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT2666 Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 3M's silver metallic 7 year film is a perfect match. Any graphics shop can make the stripes in a heartbeat. You get a better quality stripe and it can be much cheaper as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reino Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Has anyone considered having these stripes painted on? Should be able to get an exact color and I was a lil suprised when I first heard they wernt painted. I guess it was cheaper and easier for shelby to lay some stickers over the car then to sent up and/or send to the paint shop. After this I would of been more then happy to throw some extra cash at the car. But now that im trying to keep it original, Im not sure If I really want to paint them. Im just throwing out the idea and would like to see the other pro/cons yall can come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyPilot Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 some have had theirs stripes painted already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT2666 Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 The hood scoop is already painted so you should be able to get the paint code for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFBLUE Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 The hood scoop is already painted so you should be able to get the paint code for that. Good luck on that one. When I contacted SAI, they told me it was made inhouse and didn't have a Paint code Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyPilot Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VEGASTY Posted September 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 nevermind no do not have my car back yet, made 2 payments and not had it for about 13+ weeks now, except that day i had it home for 2 days. i heard a good paint for stripes is $2k+, i guess in few years when most stripes will be trashed that may be an option since labor to install full set of stripes right now is about $750 from an experienced place. then the price of the stripes gotta be $600+ my guess. if i had known i would have this many hassles i probably would have waited to 08 for an sgt when the kinks were discovered and worked out. my opinion is no seems to really cares that the stripes are having issues, even my replacement scoop still has ripples yet minor than the first one that came from the factory, but that i can live with. ok ok i'm rambling .......just disappointed in this whole deal and if i had financed via ford i probably would have handed them the keys back by now and have a judge work it out under lemon law :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT2666 Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 no do not have my car back yet, made 2 payments and not had it for about 13+ weeks now, except that day i had it home for 2 days. i heard a good paint for stripes is $2k+, i guess in few years when most stripes will be trashed that may be an option since labor to install full set of stripes right now is about $750 from an experienced place. then the price of the stripes gotta be $600+ my guess. if i had known i would have this many hassles i probably would have waited to 08 for an sgt when the kinks were discovered and worked out. my opinion is no seems to really cares that the stripes are having issues, even my replacement scoop still has ripples yet minor than the first one that came from the factory, but that i can live with. ok ok i'm rambling .......just disappointed in this whole deal and if i had financed via ford i probably would have handed them the keys back by now and have a judge work it out under lemon law :o That really sucks sorry to hear you're having so much trouble. I can tell you the issues I'm having have been awefully hard on my enthusiasm for the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueshawk Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 i felt anew subject was more appropriate now that i am calmed down after 1month, sorry for the silence i was out of town, well i still do not have my car back, but the issue of me being responable for the stripe staining has been solved (i am not at fault, heck we all new that)and it also seems the dealer is not actually at fault either. the general manager omar has been very good and professional, he is now working directly with ford to have this issue resolved stat. he asked if i have seen my car since i gave it back 4 weeks now, i said no. he said he looked at it then and saw the staining i talked about blotchey all over, he took another look yesteday and said it now looks like pepporoni pizza, the stains have actually grown, it appears the striping is host to some form of mold. not sure if faulty stripe material or faulty install procedure. anyone else having stripe staining? i will keep you all posted of the out come, in the mean time they will give me free loaner car, heck i'll use it. hope its not an escort I've been doing some research on problems with vinyl stripes. It looks like the GT500 folks don't have many issues with quality either with the material or the installation. The Roush guys seem to have alot of quality problems especially with the quality of the stripe material. Shelby GT guys seem to have problems with the installation of the stripes. But everyone has problems with rocks and etc. stratching them. My stripes are very good. I've noticed some light scratches and some tiny bubbles but nothing that needs attention. However, I'm worried about the long term affects on them. $2500 or more for painted stripes is hard to swallow. You would have hoped that the material chosen for stripes was more durable than it appears to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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