smooth intake elbow

[shelbydream1]

Has anyone installed a smooth elbow? Does it really add a noticeable difference-heard about 8-10 HP without changing anything but the elbow-is that correct? Also who makes them thtt come without any logos on them>

[ShelbyGT/SC]

Has anyone installed a smooth elbow? Does it really add a noticeable difference-heard about 8-10 HP without changing anything but the elbow-is that correct? Also who makes them thtt come without any logos on them>

 

Have heard the same of 8-12 HP. RIHarley has one, if I recall.

 

Don't know on the second part.

[AFBLUE]

I also asked about the elbow in this thread I started http://forum.shelbyautos.com/index.php?showtopic=1615&hl=

[RogerS]

Check out this link. It should help.

 

http://www.steeda.com/products/s197_inlet_tube.php

[ilmor]

I thought about doing this also, but I was afraid of it voiding my warranty (or, at least it being used as an excuse to do so and having to fight it).

[SGT0701]

I installed one of these last week. It does make a noticeable difference at 2500+ rpms, and there is no steeda branding anywhere on it.

The blue also looks good under the hood.

[ilmor]

I installed one of these last week. It does make a noticeable difference at 2500+ rpms, and there is no steeda branding anywhere on it.

The blue also looks good under the hood.

 

 

Could the blue possibly be sprayed black?

[07shelbygt109]

The Steeda page says if installed the car will need a new tune. Does this apply to our cars or just the regular GTs?

[SGT0701]

The tune is required if the entire cold air intake kit is installed. It states that the elbow only does not require a tune.

 

The hoses are silicone, not sure if they can be painted.

 

From Steeda website:

Product Details

Steeda's High Flow Inlet Elbow was designed specifically for our very popular S197 Mustang Cold Air Intake. The intake tube is molded out of high quality heat resistant plastic, with a smooth inside surface to increase the velocity of incoming air. This high quality plastic inlet elbow allows for colder air induction system temperatures resulting in less heat soak and lower air charge temperatures than competitive brands using metal tubes. We have seen gains up to 8 horsepower and 8 ft lbs of torque to the tires throughout the entire power-band!!! No additional tune is needed for this kit and installation is simple. Included in the kit are gloss blue 4 ply silicone hose connectors and stainless steel hose clamps with instructions.

 

Note: Also fits Ford Racing cold air intake.

[MattInDetroit]

Check out this link. It should help.

 

http://www.steeda.com/products/s197_inlet_tube.php

 

 

 

I've seen these on A LOT of cars at the shows. HATE how they look. They are BUTT UGLY, in my opinion, and look cheap and out of place in an all black and silver engine compartment. Yeah yeah....Ford Blue aside these, again to me, look like an out of place bolt on. Like I said I've seen a lot of them lately.

[stump_breaker]

Could the blue possibly be sprayed black?

 

Black might make it a heat sink and absorb heat from under the hood. Me personally I would wrap it in nice header tape for insulation.

 

EDIT: Wait a minute. Am I missing something? It already is black. Where is the blue one?

[stump_breaker]

Here is the C&L Inlet Pipe. More expensive.

http://www.cnlperformance.com/inlet.html

[ilmor]

Yeah, I would prefer the C&L I think.

[UltraStang#1]

You might also check the C&L site for their "Racer" version. This comes with a plastic tube that helps keep the inlet air charge temperature down. Looks nice too.

 

Also, JLT makes a great cold air package that can be customized to your wishes. They can do just about any color you want along with stripes to match the Shelby. Their carbon fiber version looks VERY nice installed on the car.

[MattInDetroit]

Here is the C&L Inlet Pipe. More expensive.

http://www.cnlperformance.com/inlet.html

 

 

 

I like this better, but really, what's with the BLUE????

 

:wacko: :wacko:

[waterguy959]

Here is the C&L Inlet Pipe. More expensive.

http://www.cnlperformance.com/inlet.html

 

 

OK guys and gals,

 

Remember our physics classes and simple theories regarding heat transfer? The aluminum is an outstanding heat sink. Unless you could cool it somehow it probably will increase induction temps. But then again, physics was along time ago.

 

Reducing incoming turbulance is good but then the air charge must be aggravated as it enters the intake manifold for better micronization of the fuel/air atoms. Has anybody looked at installing an AirRaid induction plate post throttle body? Would love to hear what you guys have to say about this little adder. Should boost HP up to 12HP. The Granatelli product seems to be used quite a bit on our cars, well GT's anyway. And what about underdrive pulley's. You know if you are revving the crap out of your car then any add on's would no be recommended. However, if you call on the power band when needed, non-race enviro's, then the simple HP add on's seem to make sense, don't they? Would love to hear more feedback on these issues.

 

Thanks guys and gals.

[shelbydream1]

I've seen these on A LOT of cars at the shows. HATE how they look. They are BUTT UGLY, in my opinion, and look cheap and out of place in an all black and silver engine compartment. Yeah yeah....Ford Blue aside these, again to me, look like an out of place bolt on. Like I said I've seen a lot of them lately.

 

 

 

i thought the blue might look kinda goofy myself, but I may get the billett dress up kit-I think it has blue on it as well

 

Here is the C&L Inlet Pipe. More expensive.

http://www.cnlperformance.com/inlet.html

 

 

 

that looks nicer, but still has Matt's dreaded blue silicone hoses

[stump_breaker]

OK guys and gals,

 

Remember our physics classes and simple theories regarding heat transfer? The aluminum is an outstanding heat sink. Unless you could cool it somehow it probably will increase induction temps. But then again, physics was along time ago.

 

Reducing incoming turbulance is good but then the air charge must be aggravated as it enters the intake manifold for better micronization of the fuel/air atoms. Has anybody looked at installing an AirRaid induction plate post throttle body? Would love to hear what you guys have to say about this little adder. Should boost HP up to 12HP. The Granatelli product seems to be used quite a bit on our cars, well GT's anyway. And what about underdrive pulley's. You know if you are revving the crap out of your car then any add on's would no be recommended. However, if you call on the power band when needed, non-race enviro's, then the simple HP add on's seem to make sense, don't they? Would love to hear more feedback on these issues.

 

Thanks guys and gals.

 

Are you talking about the infamous "throttle body spacer"? I have never head good reports of these things except at WOT and then it was minimal. The negativity has been enough that I do not even want to spend the money to try one for myself. On a carburetor type system yes but not a FI system. The same way with the "tornado" or one of those 12volt hair dryer "turbo's" or any other snake oil device. Epa has done testing of these devices as well and came up that they do not work as advertised.

As far as aluminum being a heat sink, you are correct. I mean think about what your cook pans are made of. This is where the header tape would come in to insulate the tube but honestly we don't have a true CAI as it is since it draws underhood air, block plate or no block plate. It needs a tube to extend into the fender well or down closer to the ground but then you have other issues that come with that. I'm surprised I have not been able to find an (incorrectly named) "Ram Air" system for the 05's and up yet.

I would still like to know what CFM the engine draws, the exhaust allows and the intake allows. If the engine is capable (for example) of 1200 cfm at WOT and the exhaust allows 1000 cfm but the intake only allows 800 cfm, there is an obvious restriction there which could be modified since engines are nothing more that large air pumps. Like I said, these are all "if's" since I can find no data. That's what I liked about the C&L site is they posted flow data of the intake's they design. I have not seen another manufacturer do this.

Maybe I'm thinking too much?? This is where an engineer would come in handy.......

[stump_breaker]

I just called C&L to talk to them about their Kit. The "Racer Kit" is plastic not aluminum and is $299.00. With the tune to correct the air/fuel ratios, the entire kit is $649.00 no S@H or Tax. He said the elbow will work with our filter and they have seen gains of 7 RWHP but it's not really designed to fit the stock location. They build their kits to be more forward in the engine compartment - closer to the headlight - so the shield may need to be trimmed or unbolted and moved.

I talked to him for about 20 minutes and he was explaining how to tune, their testing procedures and so on - lost me a couple of times but he's a very knowledgeable guy. I may go with this entire replacement kit in the future. Have it on the car until the S/C upgrade then I'll put it on Ebay.

He said that our car (The SGT) will need to be flashed back to stock before installing their full kit or the tuner will not allow the program upgrade. He said we are currently flashed for a 90 mm intake and theirs is a 95 mm. It will make the car run lean.

Ford also just came out with a new GT flash program so you guys who are tuning may need to be aware of this.

Just FYI....

 

EDIT: The C&L kit is cheaper on RPM Outlet by about $150 and this includes the tuner and free shipping.

http://www.rpmoutlet.com/05gt.htm

[stump_breaker]

Here is another power pipe. $89.00

I was told this does not require a tune since it does not change the location of the mass air.

 

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/

05-07 MUSTANGS

Using FRPP 90mm MAF Kit or Stock Rubber Inlet

p/n AF-0122C

[UltraStang#1]

Reducing incoming turbulance is good but then the air charge must be aggravated as it enters the intake manifold for better micronization of the fuel/air atoms. Has anybody looked at installing an AirRaid induction plate post throttle body?

 

Why would you want to aggravate the incoming air charge after the throttle body when the fuel is injected at the runner exit? Remember...this is a "dry" intake. Were the fuel to be introduced right after the throttle body then your theory would be correct. Also, the AirRaid induction plate is, from an engineering and performance point of view, crap. Period.

 

With a dry intake your major concern is reducing any air flow restrictions. Bottom Line.

[shelbydream1]

Here is another power pipe. $89.00

I was told this does not require a tune since it does not change the location of the mass air.

 

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/

05-07 MUSTANGS

Using FRPP 90mm MAF Kit or Stock Rubber Inlet

p/n AF-0122C

 

This one looks ok, but looked kind of convoluted before the elbow-would it really be any better?

[RogerS]

Larger volume and smoother flow = more HP.

[stump_breaker]

This one looks ok, but looked kind of convoluted before the elbow-would it really be any better?

 

I was just posting options I was finding. Let each decide for himself but there is no way I would buy that sewer pipe and hose clamp monstrosity!

What is that? Home Depot parts? About $10 max?

[GT-350_merged]

Here's what the Steeda "elbow" looks like under the hood.

 

[RogerS]

Nice......BTW..........you did an awesome job on your car. Could you post a pic for the members here with some background on why you converted to the GT350?

 

Very nicely done.

[kmitch]

Here is another power pipe. $89.00

I was told this does not require a tune since it does not change the location of the mass air.

 

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/

05-07 MUSTANGS

Using FRPP 90mm MAF Kit or Stock Rubber Inlet

p/n AF-0122C

 

I bought one of these... comes with a breather, I had to plumb my own connection for the PCV pipe

[SGTdreamer]

I ordered and installed the Steeda CF elbow in June and got black hoses from them in the box, not sure how the blue hoses were acquired. Didn't notice any performance changes but it definitely looks nicer under the hood now.

[Frank S]

[snip] I'm surprised I have not been able to find an (incorrectly named) "Ram Air" system for the 05's and up yet.[more snippage has occurred]

 

These guys say they'll fix you up. I bought the kit, including the air box for my V6, but didn't get around to installing it before trading for the GT/CS.

http://www.wm ing.com/

 

It looks like a quality set of pieces, but I am very skeptical of an intake setup that doesn't change things enough to require a new tune. Sometimes I daydream about adapting it to a V8; mostly I'd just like to get it out of the garage.

 

 

As to the matter of intake paths and heat sinks: I think there is something that needs to be said about the state of the system when measurement takes place. Sitting at idle, there's little doubt that an aluminum tube will get hot faster than a similar tube of a different composition, and that aluminum will transfer heat to the intaken air flow faster than the other; however, once the working conditions are established - cruising or heavy acceleration, for example - the aluminum will again conform more quickly to the surrounding temperatures, cooling down more quickly.

 

In the case of a long idle-while-running period, won't the non-aluminum tube reach the same temperature as the aluminum one, and then cool off less quickly?

 

I have to guess that in a performance environment, with an engine pumping in air and generating tons of heat, the influence of the material in the air channels is much less important than the ambient air temperature and the vehicle design's ability to exhaust hot air from under the hood. I think short of dry-ice or ice-tanks, the air-channel's material may be of very minor importance relative to overall efficiency: discernible at the points of temperature measurement, but insignificant to the output of the engine.

 

I'd concentrate on getting cooler air to the intake point (filter) by ducting or straightening its path to the intake point, and guess the air is in contact with the intake channels for such a short time, not much in the way of heat transfer takes place.

[motorjock205]

I installed the Steeda elbow with the Blue Silicone connectors last year on my 08 SGT just before we went on vacation to Florida. I didn't really notice any HP difference by seat of the pants, but throttle response seems to be a tad bit better, and I do seem to notice significantly more noise under the hood on acceleration...

 

I did NOT retune the car after installing the elbow...gas mileage was great on the Florida trip, pretty much averaged about 26 MPG on that 4000 mile trip...

 

We just finished our Colorado trip last week in the SGT and I averaged 28 MPG on that trip crossing the Great Divide at least 8 times while climbing mountains and negotiating curvy roads...It was a blast! And NO, I was not babying the car!

 

Picture of the engine bay was taken at Quantum Performance in May of this year after I added the engine caps...