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Z51 C6 beats out the GT500 according to C&D's most recent comparison test. Makes me think that those paying heavy ADM will not only get beat at the redlight and track by a C6 vette, but also get beat in their wallets for a car that can't hang with a vette. Imagine what a Z06 would do to a GT500? Still willing to pay up to 20k over MSRP, now? Not me.

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/11...elby-gt500.html

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Z51 C6 beats out the GT500 according to C&D's most recent comparison test. Makes me think that those paying heavy ADM will not only get beat at the redlight and track by a C6 vette, but also get beat in their wallets for a car that can't hang with a vette. Imagine what a Z06 would do to a GT500? Still willing to pay up to 20k over MSRP, now? Not me.

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/11...elby-gt500.html

 

 

You are referring outdated comparison tests...... Do some research and you will find that the Gt500 has beat the 0-60 times of the Z51vette and even beat the 50-70 mph times of the vette. Not bad for a 4 seater that is much heaver, let alone much less expensive. I don't see any adms on the vette..... Oh wait a minute, they have a adm approximately 11,000 discount if you want one now.

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Z51 C6 beats out the GT500 according to C&D's most recent comparison test. Makes me think that those paying heavy ADM will not only get beat at the redlight and track by a C6 vette, but also get beat in their wallets for a car that can't hang with a vette. Imagine what a Z06 would do to a GT500? Still willing to pay up to 20k over MSRP, now? Not me.

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/11...elby-gt500.html

 

 

Car and Driver notoriously suck at setting good times. Obviously the Vette is easier to launch, with bigger tires, less weight, and better weight distribution. Yet one can pretty easily come to the conclusion that the GT500 might require a good driver to even approach it's potential when you consider it's extra heft, smaller tires, and more power.

 

The GT500 needs more tire!

And if it wants to fight a Z06, it'll need about 150 extra horsies and feet just to overcome the extra weight.

 

And 20k+ over MSRP? Technically the GT500 is significanlty cheaper than a Vette, which bases at $44,390+Dest. Why judge the GT500's cost for what some people are willing to end up paying?

There is an MSRP, and some people are actually paying it.

And a Z06 is $70k, or $30k more than a $40k GT500.

 

True, you can compare a STi or an EVO to an all wheel drive Lamborghini, but I think there are better cars suited for the comparison.

 

They should have compared the GT500 to the newer gen 6.0 GTO's. Those cars are comparable, at least because they are in the same segment.

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You are referring outdated comparison tests...... Do some research and you will find that the Gt500 has beat the 0-60 times of the Z51vette and even beat the 50-70 mph times of the vette. Not bad for a 4 seater that is much heaver, let alone much less expensive. I don't see any adms on the vette..... Oh wait a minute, they have a adm approximately 11,000 discount if you want one now.

 

 

 

First, you show me a reputable article where the GT500 beats the 0-60 time of the C6 vette? In C&D, it was only faster in the 50-70 times. Not to flame anybody, but I haven't seen any other articles on this board about the Shelby and vette being tested against each other. The GT500 can barely beat the 03 Cobra. That's a fact. I have a terminator, and I was set to trade for a GT500. Now, I'm not sure. You can get a C6 with a Z51 sport package for a few grand more than the official MSRP of the Shelby. And, the vette will still win the redlight drag race. Hey, don't hate the messenger.

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Car and Driver notoriously suck at setting good times. Obviously the Vette is easier to launch, with bigger tires, less weight, and better weight distribution. Yet one can pretty easily come to the conclusion that the GT500 might require a good driver to even approach it's potential when you consider it's extra heft, smaller tires, and more power.

 

The GT500 needs more tire!

And if it wants to fight a Z06, it'll need about 150 extra horsies and feet just to overcome the extra weight.

 

And 20k+ over MSRP? Technically the GT500 is significanlty cheaper than a Vette, which bases at $44,390+Dest. Why judge the GT500's cost for what some people are willing to end up paying?

There is an MSRP, and some people are actually paying it.

And a Z06 is $70k, or $30k more than a $40k GT500.

 

True, you can compare a STi or an EVO to an all wheel drive Lamborghini, but I think there are better cars suited for the comparison.

 

They should have compared the GT500 to the newer gen 6.0 GTO's. Those cars are comparable, at least because they are in the same segment.

 

 

 

You have made some good points. My point is that this car will not beat out a vette, that's all. If you want one, go for it. But, a lot of people may be surprised when they try and bag a vette and then get embarrassed. It can't hang with a Z06 or a Viper, either, yet some like to think so. I would bet that the 400 hp GTO would give it a run for it's money at any stop light. What is MSRP for the Shelby? It is only a few grand less than a basic Z51 C6, if you shop right. The GT500 is a great for what it is. But, to pay even any type of exorbitant ADM is not worth it. That's just MHO.

 

 

Rule Number 1:

 

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!

 

 

 

Typical response from someone who can't argue the facts. I hope you are not a lawyer.

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First, you show me a reputable article where the GT500 beats the 0-60 time of the C6 vette? In C&D, it was only faster in the 50-70 times. Not to flame anybody, but I haven't seen any other articles on this board about the Shelby and vette being tested against each other. The GT500 can barely beat the 03 Cobra. That's a fact. I have a terminator, and I was set to trade for a GT500. Now, I'm not sure. You can get a C6 with a Z51 sport package for a few grand more than the official MSRP of the Shelby. And, the vette will still win the redlight drag race. Hey, don't hate the messenger.

 

 

You must understand, the Vette would only win the drag race if you ran stock tires on the GT500, and/or sucked at racing.

 

The GT500 has extra potential up it's sleeve, being that it doesn't get good traction. Upgraded tires would solve that. And being that the Vette already gets good traction I would have to imagine a better tire on a stock vette will only get you so much faster.

 

Face it, 500 horsepower is too much for these sized tires to handle with a car that weighs ~3900 lbs.

 

And, FYI, Vettes like to purge their rear ends... I didn't know if you knew this already, but yeah, they do. Especially Z06's. Stock for Stock they'll destroy it's stock rearend on slicks with a good driver.

 

All I'm saying is watch out for the good GT500 drivers wearing M/T ET Streets.

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You must understand, the Vette would only win the drag race if you ran stock tires on the GT500, and/or sucked at racing.

 

The GT500 has extra potential up it's sleeve, being that it doesn't get good traction. Upgraded tires would solve that. And being that the Vette already gets good traction I would have to imagine a better tire on a stock vette will only get you so much faster.

 

Face it, 500 horsepower is too much for these sized tires to handle with a car that weighs ~3900 lbs.

 

And, FYI, Vettes like to purge their rear ends... I didn't know if you knew this already, but yeah, they do. Especially Z06's. Stock for Stock they'll destroy it's stock rearend on slicks with a good driver.

 

All I'm saying is watch out for the good GT500 drivers wearing M/T ET Streets.

 

 

 

True, but that cuts both ways. Put a good driver in the vette and some killer tires and it would win. The Shelby needs those extra horses just to push that extra weight. If anything at all, it just levels the playing field. I know what it is capable of because I know what the terminators were capable of. I remember stalking C-5 vettes and bagging them when I first got mine several years ago. I couldn't beat a C6 with it, now. And, sadly, I think a GT500 couldn't either. And, yeah I waited for the GT500 for the past 3 years, too. My plan was to trade my Cobra. Now, even if I did, I'm still chasing the vette. Maybe a GT500KR will solve that.

 

Haha, you so crazy. Why you repeating yourself?

 

 

 

I guess it is because you need to read it twice for you to understand.

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My friend has a GSXR750 that can beat either car hands-down, so what does any of this really matter? Honestly, if I wanted to beat a 2 seater, I'd buy a 2 seater. The thing is, many folks want Shelbys for many different reasons, only one of which is 'beat a vette off the line'. Folks who want that are going to do work on their Shelbys to be able to do that. People will pay over MSRP maybe because they like the mean look, maybe they like the pedigree, hell, maybe their health insurance won't cover Viagra anymore so they need a different stimulation to get it up. The fact is alot of folks won't put any credibility into the article, and those that do are either going to buff up their Shelby anyways, or aren't even getting one and just want to be able to talk-the-talk when at the local bar with their buddies.

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You have made some good points. My point is that this car will not beat out a vette, that's all. If you want one, go for it. But, a lot of people may be surprised when they try and bag a vette and then get embarrassed. It can't hang with a Z06 or a Viper, either, yet some like to think so. I would bet that the 400 hp GTO would give it a run for it's money at any stop light. What is MSRP for the Shelby? It is only a few grand less than a basic Z51 C6, if you shop right. The GT500 is a great for what it is. But, to pay even any type of exorbitant ADM is not worth it. That's just MHO.

 

 

 

I agree with pretty much all of what you say. My only arguement is that for the GT500 to be this close to a Vette's times, while smoking the tires almost the entire way, I would imagine/hope that it could keep up atleast, I mean right next to each other, with just wider rear tires. Mickey Thompson ET Streets would make a huge difference in times, but they're not usualy the most compliant for everyday use.

 

I totally think a new 6.0 GTO would have made for a much better comparison. The only problem is that it's not that much lighter for being 100 horsepower down, so it might have gotten slaughtered.

 

Oh, MSRP for the GT500 is 40,930+dest. So a Vette is $3,500 more before delivery. The Z51 package is $1700.

 

Here's the breakdown:

1LT MSRP* $44,490.00

2LT MSRP* $45,985.00 - adds elec. pass. seat, lumbar, luggage shade, cargo net

3LT MSRP* $49,285.00 - adds Bose, HeadsUp, Seat Memory, heated mirrors(driv. side dim.), Seat Heat, Universal Remote

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True, but that cuts both ways. Put a good driver in the vette and some killer tires and it would win. The Shelby needs those extra horses just to push that extra weight. If anything at all, it just levels the playing field. I know what it is capable of because I know what the terminators were capable of. I remember stalking C-5 vettes and bagging them when I first got mine several years ago. I couldn't beat a C6 with it, now. And, sadly, I think a GT500 couldn't either. And, yeah I waited for the GT500 for the past 3 years, too. My plan was to trade my Cobra. Now, even if I did, I'm still chasing the vette. Maybe a GT500KR will solve that.

 

 

I couldn't see a Vette making as drastic of an improvement with stickier tires as a GT500 just due to the fact that when they(Vettes) are launched good, they stop slipping the tires after the first 100 to 150 feet or so, which is not the case at all with the GT500, which supposeldy smokes em for almost the entire first 1/8th. Also, you'd be much more prone to destroying you rear end in a Vette if you put on some M/T streets on. In fact I've got a friend who replaced his rear end last summer from that exact scenario, pretty much bone stock, but running M/T ET Streets. Poor guy left a pile of parts at the starting line and rolled 10 feet away, and it was only his 6th run. I felt really for bad for him too as he had to pay someone at the track to help him tow his car home(I'm surprised they even did).

 

I read somewhere that Kenny Bernstein or John Force already ripped off a 12.3 or 12.4 in the mid 100-teens on stock tires. So we know the potential is there.

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Ok, I'll play at your level.

 

Now, now, dud. That's no way to talk about your mom.

 

 

I'm glad you want to play with me. I've got to go out for pizza now. I'll be back in a little while.

 

Haha, I can't wait. Sounds like fun.

 

In the meantime, try to come up with some better material. :)

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I couldn't see a Vette making as drastic of an improvement with stickier tires as a GT500 just due to the fact that when they(Vettes) are launched good, they stop slipping the tires after the first 100 to 150 feet or so, which is not the case at all with the GT500, which supposeldy smokes em for almost the entire first 1/8th. Also, you'd be much more prone to destroying you rear end in a Vette if you put on some M/T streets on. In fact I've got a friend who replaced his rear end last summer from that exact scenario, pretty much bone stock, but running M/T ET Streets. Poor guy left a pile of parts at the starting line and rolled 10 feet away, and it was only his 6th run. I felt really for bad for him too as he had to pay someone at the track to help him tow his car home(I'm surprised they even did).

 

I read somewhere that Kenny Bernstein or John Force already ripped off a 12.3 or 12.4 in the mid 100-teens on stock tires. So we know the potential is there.

 

 

Hey, I hope you are right. Maybe there will be more testing done that will put the Shelby in a better light vs. the vette, and other comparable cars. The good thing is that all these test results are coming out now as Ford dealers are putting the screw to the faithful. Seems like a little bit of justice, no?

 

I'm glad you want to play with me. I've got to go out for pizza now. I'll be back in a little while.

 

Haha, I can't wait. Sounds like fun.

 

In the meantime, try to come up with some better material. :)

 

 

 

I would, but haven't got the time. Your troll sister is here, too. We havin a party!

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I would, but haven't got the time. Your troll sister is here, too. We havin a party!

 

 

Goody, I'll sent Aunt Shelly and Grandma too. Uncle Earl might want to come too. Then you can really get the party started. See you in about an hour and a half.

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Oh, MSRP for the GT500 is 40,930+dest. So a Vette is $3,500 more before delivery. The Z51 package is $1700.

 

Here's the breakdown:

1LT MSRP* $44,490.00

2LT MSRP* $45,985.00 - adds elec. pass. seat, lumbar, luggage shade, cargo net

3LT MSRP* $49,285.00 - adds Bose, HeadsUp, Seat Memory, heated mirrors(driv. side dim.), Seat Heat, Universal Remote

 

You need to at least be fair at what the actual sticker will be if you're going to make a comparison.

The CHEAPEST sticker you will see on a Shelby is 40,930+1300 (gas guzzler)+745 Dest., which equals $42975. That is only $1500 cheaper than the 1LT 'Vette's sticker. The GT500 is priced in dangerous territory. It's just BEGGING to be compared to cars that are in a different class but are overall better performers.

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You need to at least be fair at what the actual sticker will be if you're going to make a comparison.

The CHEAPEST sticker you will see on a Shelby is 40,930+1300 (gas guzzler)+745 Dest., which equals $42975. That is only $1500 cheaper than the 1LT 'Vette's sticker. The GT500 is priced in dangerous territory. It's just BEGGING to be compared to cars that are in a different class but are overall better performers.

 

 

 

I Don't know about you but I saw alot of stuff that sounds funny in C&D

 

"got to have" cat. Vette 24, Cobra 19,

 

I GOT TO HAVE MY COBRA, :shift:

 

Everybody's got a Vette....Even alot of girls....whats that tell you!

 

 

 

C & D says

 

Comfort Vette 8, Cobra 8.

"Vettes seat in a word stink"

"Constantly sliding into an inadvertant slouch"

 

 

 

 

 

Then handling; Vette 10, Cobra 8.

"Steering feels artificially heavy and non-communicative"

" the GT500 is better" :doh:

 

 

 

 

Exterior Styling;Vette 10, Cobra 8... :read: HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT THIS CAR?

 

:doh: That why they shot the whole car on the cover :wacko:

 

 

 

 

 

Not to mention they probably drive as good as they figure #s

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Another "OH MY GOD, THE C6 IS FASTER!" If I wanted a 2 seat, light weight sports car I would be looking at a vette, a Viper or a GT. But a sports car this aint, other cars loosey in this class are the Front wheel drive Monte Carlo and the SRT-8 charger and this car will send them home on a trailer. It has no real rivals; at least till the Challenger and Camaro come along. The Vette is a damn nice car and the best bang for the buck in its class, but it is no GT500.

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Stlye point Vette 10 GT500 8??????

Got to be kidding. How is this Vette's tired styling with a funky @ss end getting a 10 for styling?

I'm ready for a true production car test, not these "test mules" who knows how they are tuned.

 

 

 

I agree - Anybody that is taking this C&D Testing serious is just trying to push your buttons.

Think about it - The test is totally flawed and bias.

The car they used was pre production - That tells the whole story.

 

C&D says that the last Cobra is a quicker car - I call Bullshit on this - Ford has been pumping this car as the Fastest & Most Powerful Factory Mustang EVER ! You think that thye are not going to delivery on this.

 

Read the Hot Rod review, make yourself feel better.

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