Gibs07GTcpe Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Well I went into the local dealer today looking for a VB SGT. My wife is in love with one and it is almost SRB/Tax time. I get out of my car and the salesman meets me at the sidewalk. I ask if they have any SGT's on the lot.....First problem, he has to ask another associate if they have one. Hello How would you not know that you have one. Well the other guy says and I quote..."WE HAVE A SHELBY GT, BUT IT IS NOT A REAL SHELBY." To that I respond that the GT500 is only a Mustang Cobra with a Shelby name. It never even goes to SAI or anything. He then tells me,"Well anyway the fake Shelby is on the Showroom floor." I could not believe that a salesman would say that to someone they are trying to sell a car to. Well then I go inside and look at it. Yep there it is. A 08 VB SGT Vert 5 SPD. They had a sticker of almost 53K on it. If it was a fake Shelby then why do they not give me a FAKE Shelby price?????? So at that point I was done looking. Good dealership just an idiot salesman threw my whole perception of them off. Anyway I thought you guys would enjoy. And this post was not meant to disrespect the GT500 owners with my comment about them. I love that car too. Just my opinion about it wearing the CS name. AFBlue it was number 0794 for your records. PM me if you want dealer info. Gib ^^ Formerly known as 07SamanthaGT on SA forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbull65 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 I hate salespeople (anykind of salespeople) that do no know what they are selling. I always research my purchases and I feel it is a waste of my time if the salesperson does not take the time to learn about what he is selling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reino2 Posted January 16, 2008 Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Good luck in your search. The dealer I used didnt mention much about the car. I knew they were getting the car at the dealer before the salesperson. Had a print out of the window sticker before the salespeople knew they were getting it. So, the only discussion when they finally got the car was the price. And I was onscene when the car was being delivered. By the time they were making room on the floor we were working on a price. I did pull into another dealer one day for a part and the salesperson commented "I like that Shelby sticker you put on the car" referring to the rocker decal. Glad I didnt buy it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasShelby Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I understand your frustration. I've had it a few times with local dealers. I just saw a black SGT the other day with the dealers name plastered all over the back of it....how cheap looking. And not meaning to start anything, but CS and his guys had a great deal to do with the GT500 and SVT implemented them at the time of construction, just as it was in the 60's. No doubt we both have wonderful automobiles, and I love the CS8, and it's all owed to CS and all his hard working staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Well I went into the local dealer today looking for a VB SGT. My wife is in love with one and it is almost SRB/Tax time. I get out of my car and the salesman meets me at the sidewalk. I ask if they have any SGT's on the lot.....First problem, he has to ask another associate if they have one. Hello How would you not know that you have one. Well the other guy says and I quote..."WE HAVE A SHELBY GT, BUT IT IS NOT A REAL SHELBY." To that I respond that the GT500 is only a Mustang Cobra with a Shelby name. It never even goes to SAI or anything. He then tells me,"Well anyway the fake Shelby is on the Showroom floor." I could not believe that a salesman would say that to someone they are trying to sell a car to. Well then I go inside and look at it. Yep there it is. A 08 VB SGT Vert 5 SPD. They had a sticker of almost 53K on it. If it was a fake Shelby then why do they not give me a FAKE Shelby price?????? So at that point I was done looking. Good dealership just an idiot salesman threw my whole perception of them off. Anyway I thought you guys would enjoy. And this post was not meant to disrespect the GT500 owners with my comment about them. I love that car too. Just my opinion about it wearing the CS name. AFBlue it was number 0794 for your records. PM me if you want dealer info. Gib ^^ Formerly known as 07SamanthaGT on SA forums. Um, sorry, but if that is your "opinion" of the GT500 wearing the CS name then you obviously don't know much more than that salesperson did about having the SGT and calling it a fake shelby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibs07GTcpe Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Um, sorry, but if that is your "opinion" of the GT500 wearing the CS name then you obviously don't know much more than that salesperson did about having the SGT and calling it a fake shelby. OK ok the reason I say that is, that the original Shelby's (60's) were built by Ford and then sent to Shelby for modification into a Shelby. The new Shelby GT500's do not unless you have one of the upgrade versions that are available. They come off the Ford line as a GT500. That is all I was getting at. I was not insulting the car, and I do know a little bit of the history of the Shelby...I do not claim that I know it all. Again I am not trying to start a fight. I love the blue stripe GT500 above this. Gib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 1 1970 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Um, sorry, but if that is your "opinion" of the GT500 wearing the CS name then you obviously don't know much more than that salesperson did about having the SGT and calling it a fake shelby. Here we go with the GT500 vs SGT on the Shelby GT section of this forum. If you love the GT500 then spend time @ that section.Nobody was knocking your car just the salesman. Most SGT people don't post on that site,because they want to talk about and share experience's about their SGT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 OK ok the reason I say that is, that the original Shelby's (60's) were built by Ford and then sent to Shelby for modification into a Shelby. The new Shelby GT500's do not unless you have one of the upgrade versions that are available. They come off the Ford line as a GT500. That is all I was getting at. I was not insulting the car, and I do know a little bit of the history of the Shelby...I do not claim that I know it all. Again I am not trying to start a fight. I love the blue stripe GT500 above this. Gib Is the 69 and 70 real shelbys? Those never went to Shelby either. Only produced at Ford. When people have the 40th and supersnake done by shelby and their cars are done at one of the mod shops instead of SAI will those still be real shelbys? If so, why? If not why? What is the difference between some EMPLOYEE that works at SAI vs some EMPLOYEE working at an authorized mod shop vs some EMPLOYEE working at Ford doing the work on building these cars? How does one EMPLOYEE over another EMPLOYEE make the car any different? Carroll Shelby did not PERSONALLY build any of these cars. Every single one of them were completely built by an EMPLOYEE. Everyone single one of them Carroll Shelby had a part in how they were built. So how does it make any difference where or by what employee did the work when they all were doing the work under the direction of Carroll Shelby???? Please explain the difference because I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 And this post was not meant to disrespect the GT500 owners with my comment about them. I love that car too. Just my opinion about it wearing the CS name. Ironically, what you said about GT500's is every bit as bad as what the dealer told you about the Shelby GT. Do you reallize that some of the original 60's Shelby's were built in New Jersey? Does that mean they don't qualify either. Likewise, if a Ford is built in Canada or Mexico is it not a Ford? Did you know that Carol Shelby for some reason allowed GT500's at his recent birthday bash (I don't think there were any Saleens or Roush's there, however). People, please, get off this SGT vs. GT500 baloney!!! They are BOTH SHELBYS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 1 1970 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Is the 69 and 70 real shelbys? Those never went to Shelby either. Only produced at Ford. When people have the 40th and supersnake done by shelby and their cars are done at one of the mod shops instead of SAI will those still be real shelbys? If so, why? If not why? What is the difference between some EMPLOYEE that works at SAI vs some EMPLOYEE working at an authorized mod shop vs some EMPLOYEE working at Ford doing the work on building these cars? How does one EMPLOYEE over another EMPLOYEE make the car any different? Carroll Shelby did not PERSONALLY build any of these cars. Every single one of them were completely built by an EMPLOYEE. Everyone single one of them Carroll Shelby had a part in how they were built. So how does it make any difference where or by what employee did the work when they all were doing the work under the direction of Carroll Shelby???? Please explain the difference because I don't get it. That's why Shelby left Ford because he felt the 69 Shelby was all Ford and he had less involment . He pulled the plug after the left-over 69 were changed to 70's. Some people till this day don't consider 69-70 to be REAL SHELBY'S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibs07GTcpe Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Is the 69 and 70 real shelbys? Those never went to Shelby either. Only produced at Ford. When people have the 40th and supersnake done by shelby and their cars are done at one of the mod shops instead of SAI will those still be real shelbys? If so, why? If not why? What is the difference between some EMPLOYEE that works at SAI vs some EMPLOYEE working at an authorized mod shop vs some EMPLOYEE working at Ford doing the work on building these cars? How does one EMPLOYEE over another EMPLOYEE make the car any different? Carroll Shelby did not PERSONALLY build any of these cars. Every single one of them were completely built by an EMPLOYEE. Everyone single one of them Carroll Shelby had a part in how they were built. So how does it make any difference where or by what employee did the work when they all were doing the work under the direction of Carroll Shelby???? Please explain the difference because I don't get it. Well I must apologize as I did not know about the 69/70 Shelby's. So I will retract that. The mod shop at the Ford plant is still SVT correct. That is why I said it was basically a Mustang Cobra with CS name on it. I do not have a problem with the fact that they have the CS name on them. But if the dealer is going to call the SGT a fake Shelby that is a problem because if any of them are more "REAL" than the other it would be the SGT. Only my opinion because of being Shelby modified at SAI. Obviously you are passionate that you have a Shelby GT500. I respect that as I could never begin to be able to own that car. My opinion is my opinion only. You will not agree with me and that is obvious. Gib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilmor Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 That's why Shelby left Ford because he felt the 69 Shelby was all Ford and he had less involment . He pulled the plug after the left-over 69 were changed to 70's. Some people till this day don't consider 69-70 to be REAL SHELBY'S. Different now, however - Shelby IS directly involved w/ the GT500's and is very happy with the current arrangement by all reports and appearances. So, by your definition it appears that GT500's pass the test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gibs07GTcpe Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Ironically, what you said about GT500's is every bit as bad as what the dealer told you about the Shelby GT. Do you reallize that some of the original 60's Shelby's were built in New Jersey? Does that mean they don't qualify either. Likewise, if a Ford is built in Canada or Mexico is it not a Ford? Did you know that Carol Shelby for some reason allowed GT500's at his recent birthday bash (I don't think there were any Saleens or Roush's there, however). People, please, get off this SGT vs. GT500 baloney!!! They are BOTH SHELBYS!!!! I was not trying to start a fight about it. I was merely stating what a dealer had told me about the SGT. Whether in my opinion or not the GT500 is or is not does not matter as there are alot that would agree and alot that will disagree. A FORD Dealer should not be saying that about them either of them. I did get a history lesson about Shelby though. TY to mach 1970 for that info. Gib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Well I must apologize as I did not know about the 69/70 Shelby's. So I will retract that. The mod shop at the Ford plant is still SVT correct. That is why I said it was basically a Mustang Cobra with CS name on it. I do not have a problem with the fact that they have the CS name on them. But if the dealer is going to call the SGT a fake Shelby that is a problem because if any of them are more "REAL" than the other it would be the SGT. Only my opinion because of being Shelby modified at SAI. Obviously you are passionate that you have a Shelby GT500. I respect that as I could never begin to be able to own that car. My opinion is my opinion only. You will not agree with me and that is obvious. Gib For any salesman that sells these cars to refer to any of these as being a fake shelby is nothing but a idiot that doesn't know squat about the product he sells. None of these are any more real than the other. They either are or they are not, plain and simple. And they are all. Do you think Shelby just lends out his name to be put on cars that he has no say about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hows the popcorn??? Can I have some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ve4mm Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 [quote name=Gibs07GTcpe' date='Jan 16 2008, 05:38 PM' post='296344] Well I went into the local dealer today looking for a VB SGT. UT IT IS NOT A REAL SHELBY." To that I respond that the GT500 is only a Mustang Cobra with a Shelby name. It never even goes to SAI or anything. Thank you for reminding me that my 07 GT500 is just full of SHELBY stickers. I feel better now. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyPilot Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I am so bored with where this discussion had gone I just skipped down to the bottom to post this: :beatdeadhorse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Here we go with the GT500 vs SGT on the Shelby GT section of this forum. If you love the GT500 then spend time @ that section.Nobody was knocking your car just the salesman. Most SGT people don't post on that site,because they want to talk about and share experience's about their SGT. Reread the first post. The SGT vs GT500 started here in this SGT forum by the person that made the first post and started this topic. And I wasn't taking offense or felt he was knocking my car. I was merely pointing out a simple fact about his misinformed opinion. Nothing more. The salesman was knocking the SGT calling that a fake shelby! Post on what site? This is ONE site here. I didn't know there was a private site here. I'm sorry, someone must of left the door open and must have just walked through the wrong entrance by mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mach 1 1970 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Different now, however - Shelby IS directly involved w/ the GT500's and is very happy with the current arrangement by all reports and appearances. So, by your definition it appears that GT500's pass the test. Yeah you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisA Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Agree! They are all Shelby's.........I have read a post from SAI's president state just that! Who am I to disagree? Chill out and enjoy your cars.......GT500's & SGT's are both wonderful vehicles with lots of heritage. :happy feet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svtbird91 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Different now, however - Shelby IS directly involved w/ the GT500's and is very happy with the current arrangement by all reports and appearances. So, by your definition it appears that GT500's pass the test. Ilmor ....aways the voice of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibs07GTcpe Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Wow lots of people in here. I did not realize I would be stirring the pot so much. I guess I should not called it a cobra with a CS name on it. No CS does not just let his name go out there. He authorized it to be put on the car. The point is that the SVT Terminators were made by the same people that are now making the GT500. Yes they upgraded the GT500, and they brought CS onboard for the car. It is still being built by the SVT team. With the Shelby name. That was my point at the beginning. If I offended anyone I am sorry. This was not intended to do so. It was just a dealer interaction that I thought was interesting. I am not as versed in the new GT500 history/roots/design as I should be I guess. Anyway, did anyone find it funny that a DEALER would call a car from SAI a "FAKE"? Gib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig-It Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Gib, I’ve run into the exact same problem. A dealer I visited had a ’07 GT500 and a ’07 SGT in the showroom and a ‘08 of each on the lot. I mentioned that he was lucky to have to have four Shelby’s at one time. He looked at me with a puzzled expression before he stated that he only had two real Shelby’s and two fake ones. This is going to happen anytime you have an educated consumer run into an ignorant (under trained) salesperson. I’ve also had a salesman refer to a SGT as “A Mustang with a Shelby body kit”. For all, If we’re all Shelby Mustang enthusiasts, why are we bickering over nothing? It appears no insult was intended, so why doesn’t everyone relax and enjoy why we’re all here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFBLUE2 Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 What is the difference between some EMPLOYEE that works at SAI vs some EMPLOYEE working at an authorized mod shop vs some EMPLOYEE working at Ford doing the work on building these cars? How does one EMPLOYEE over another EMPLOYEE make the car any different? Carroll Shelby did not PERSONALLY build any of these cars. Every single one of them were completely built by an EMPLOYEE. Everyone single one of them Carroll Shelby had a part in how they were built. So how does it make any difference where or by what employee did the work when they all were doing the work under the direction of Carroll Shelby???? Please explain the difference because I don't get it. You are right. The new GT 500 is like the 68-69 Shelbys (1970 model were carryover 69s). Designed and built by Ford/SVT employees. The SGT is like the 66-67 Shelbys. Modified at a Shelby facility by Shelby employees. 40 years later, 1965-1970 Shelbys are all still considered official Shelbys . (FYI no 1960s Shelbys were built in New Jersey. Only California at Shelby American facility -65-67, or A.O. Smith facility in Michigan, 68-70) In defense of the original poster, I've heard more than 1 dealer say the SGT is a "fake Shelby". When this is said, its very hard not to point out that if a car modified by Shelby autos is a "fake", then why is a car not modified by Shelby autos considered a true Shelby? It's just a debating point to illustrate the stupidity of the original statement about the SGT, and is not meant to say the GT 500 is not a real Shelby. Hopefully this makes sense to non SGT owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Wow lots of people in here. I did not realize I would be stirring the pot so much. I guess I should not called it a cobra with a CS name on it. No CS does not just let his name go out there. He authorized it to be put on the car. The point is that the SVT Terminators were made by the same people that are now making the GT500. Yes they upgraded the GT500, and they brought CS onboard for the car. It is still being built by the SVT team. With the Shelby name. That was my point at the beginning. If I offended anyone I am sorry. This was not intended to do so. It was just a dealer interaction that I thought was interesting. I am not as versed in the new GT500 history/roots/design as I should be I guess. Anyway, did anyone find it funny that a DEALER would call a car from SAI a "FAKE"? Gib No, the GT500 is being built by the same employees that build the SGT. It is the same employees that are building all the mustangs and the mazda 6 The only thing built by SVT is the engine that is put in the GT500. And SVT does not install the engine, they only build it. In fact, when we toured the Engine plant where SVT builds these motors, some of the guys that hand built these motors never seen the GT500 after it was built. Our cars were the first ones they got to see. And why do you think Carroll authorized his name to be put on the car? And the SGT for that matter? Because he had a hand and say in these cars, that's why. So no matter how many times Amy (President of SAI) comes here and posts to everyone stating that Carroll did in fact have a hand and say in all these cars and that they are all Shelbys, you are going to remain of the opinion otherwise? So you are disagreeing with SAI, Amy, Carroll, Ford, etc? They are all lying because you have a different opinion??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webba Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Well one thing both sides have in common...they both love their cars so much they are willing to fight for the honor of a Shelby. Now imagine what both sides could do if they got over their differences and worked together....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibs07GTcpe Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 ^^^^ Since we will agree to disagree. You are right. Thank you for at least acknowledging my existance by replying to my post. Also, teaching me something in the process. It was intended to poke fun at the Dealer but hey I guess I am just stubborn. Maybe I will come to terms with it. Maybe not. They are all great vehicles and I would love to have the 500. Not because of the Shelby name on it, because of the fact that it has the bigger supercharged engine built by the SVT team. They build a great product. But being realistic I can afford the SGT which is probably what is clouding my view....I am biased. As most are with their vehicle or a vehicle that they are fond of/in search of. I am not calling anyone a liar or anything like that(Sorry Amy and he rest of the SAI Team). If I have upset anyone Sorry it really is a Shelby. That was not the point of this at all. Thanks for looking. BTW: Is anyone interested in attending the BumbleBee Cruise Jan 26th in Irvine CA? Let me know I will post info if so. Non Shelby owner/SGT Enthusiast/biasedly opinionated/stubborn Mustang GT owner Gib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbyDude Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Well one thing both sides have in common...they both love their cars so much they are willing to fight for the honor of a Shelby. Now imagine what both sides could do if they got over their differences and worked together....... Well, I don't have any differences. They are all Shelbys, and none are any more of Shelby than the other. The ONLY difference is they have different models. Like the V6 Mustang VS GT Mustang. They are different models, but both are just as much of a mustangs as the other. Same with the Shelbys. Different models. One is a Shelby GT model and one is a Shelby GT500 model. Both Shelbys no matter how you cut it. After they come out with the GT350 they will have another model. Then those that buy a GT350 can argue how the GT350 is really the real Shelby because they didn't have a Shelby GT in the 60's Now, does everyone know what the SGT was really going to be before they made it the SGT???? LOL (I'll keep that to myself or it will just stir up another big arguement) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibs07GTcpe Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 ^^^ no but I know the Probe was going to be the Mustang until a petition was sent to ford. Gib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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