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Shelby GT vs. Subaru Impreza STI


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Shelby did some development work on the Toyota 3000 GT, back in the day, but like all things Toyota, it didn't have any success on the race course . . . as seen in Formula 1 today . . . 1B a year and a back marker!!!

 

As far as the Subaru thing . . . they could have compared in to an 89 Escort Cosworth AWD . . . the Cossie would have handed the subi its ass . . . even though its 20 years old. There are AWD Cosworth Fords today prowling the streets in Britain making 600 plus at the wheels on pump gas . . . 0-60 under 3 secs and capable of 200 mph.

 

 

Hey, krdale -- WELCOME TO STANGS UNLEASHED!!!!

 

I read about an all-out Cosworth 4-banger TT racer making 1000HP! Hard to believe! :woohoo:

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As to the comparison, I see these ricers all the time. They'll speed up to pull alonside with a grin on their faces, ask if I'm fast and want to go... I don't even look over! :hysterical:

I never pull up to them.

A friend of mine has a 350Z. Nice car. He asks if I like my Ford and says his can whoop mine. I just laugh!

I also see 50-60 yr olds pull up and give me the big thumbs-up! I'm 47 and I simply say thank you. To each his own... I knew exactly what I was getting. I'm basically a Mopar guy on the list for the new Challenger. I know the 1st time I see one on the road there will be some regrets, but no way can a car that heavy touch my simple SGT, and with a SC; forget abouyt it.

Sorry for the ramble, I just get tired of Americans going to such lengths to bash a Great American Classic. I've been to Japan, and trust me, they would rather have the Shelby there than the Sub. :hysterical2::banghead:

 

I've been to Japan too and anything truly American is really big there!

 

Back in the late 70s you could sell genuine American blue jeans in Tokyo for $100! And anything of the American old west fetches unreal prices.

 

The Sube's ok performance-wise, it's just butt-ugly :hysterical:

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I've been to Japan too and anything truly American is really big there!

 

Back in the late 70s you could sell genuine American blue jeans in Tokyo for $100! And anything of the American old west fetches unreal prices.

 

The Sube's ok performance-wise, it's just butt-ugly :hysterical:

 

Lets forget about the WRX or EVO and import some of those beautiful Japanese women! :happy feet:

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A non-real world comparision created to generate web-site hits from outraged Mustang owners, IMHO. :burnout:

 

This reminds me of the comparion test that Car and Driver did with the SGT, Audi TT, Nissian 350Z and the Mazada RX-8. Yes, I'm sure that there are some that cross shopped these cars, but you either want a Mustang or don't.

 

All of these are totally different from the Mustang and SGT.

 

But, what others cars would potential Shelby GT buyers cross shop? I mean, until the Camero and Challenger come out???

 

 

I bought that very issue on the way home from the dealership where I had just traded in my RX8 for the Shelby. Ironic and funny.

BTW, the RX8 was a great car. I was just ready for something different. I traded some handling, braking, and a great sound system for TORQUE.

The RX8 doesn't push ya back in the seat ANYTHING like the SGT! And I don't mind the way the Shelby draws a crowd, either!

 

Jer

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I bought that very issue on the way home from the dealership where I had just traded in my RX8 for the Shelby. Ironic and funny.

BTW, the RX8 was a great car. I was just ready for something different. I traded some handling, braking, and a great sound system for TORQUE.

The RX8 doesn't push ya back in the seat ANYTHING like the SGT! And I don't mind the way the Shelby draws a crowd, either!

 

Jer

 

I traded in my Rx-8 for a Shelby GT as well.

 

God Bless,

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$36500 - 0% for 3 years = $33000 What can you buy for that and have so much FUN. That doesn't count your money earning % @ 3% 8% or 18% . Maybe a GT500 but for $14000 cash up front + tax and your money earning 0 %

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The Bullitt will be the steal of the year, imo. $31.5K MSRP and by late in the year they could be well under -- with a full 6/60 warranty to boot. Good to see Ford make this genuine value availabel in reasonable numbers (I heard 7,700 with 7,000 to the US market, if I recall).

 

It doesn't have the Shelby cachet but, for some, an all-Ford solution is actually preferable. Actually, the S-GT is a Ford offering anyway with SAI wearing their Ford-contractor upfitter hat, as opposed to the Supersnake post-retail upfit which is an SAI offering. Of course, those both use Ford/FRP engineered parts anyway, but the Bullitt, for those who are ok with 315ish HP is a smokin' deal, imo.

 

No disrespect meant to SAI, but can you imagine what the GT500 would have MSRP'd at if SAI did the upfit from a partial-build AAI base (even if that were feasible) ...and then forget about what the ADMs would have been <yikes!> That's why I'm excited to see Ford figuring our how to and assemble the Bullitt and apply the FRP pieces on the AAI line ...and even more excited to see the Miller-series spec-racer also go down the AAI line. And I think that's part of a larger picture ...some applied/logistics prototyping for the GT350 and the BOSS?

 

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One thing that's just so great about these cars is that Ford did their homework so very well -- probably better than any of us will ever come to know because we only see pieces of the pie -- and not just the traditional hard-engineering, but the total product and market business engineering.

 

If we look back a bit, we likely owe the lions-share of developing this approach for the Mustang to John Coletti's efforts culminating in the '03/4 Cobra -- named Terminator because the total business strategy (Ford + aftermarket) would either force the Camaro/F-bird into excessive and unprofitable short investment *or* force their market withdrawl. It would make another excellent Harvard Business School Case Analysis for their commercial portfolio, imo.

 

Anyhow, I think what we're witnessing with the mustang today is a high-point -- a maturing -- in the total business integration of product and market -- by design -- and we are the beneficiary of that concerted effort born of decades of spirited competition in what is one of the few (and possibly the only affordable) truly durable niche-market brands in the industry ...Mustang!

 

It would seem, when I read this thread, that many who have jumped from another brand (often cars not even in the same genre) to one of the myriad Mustang incarnations (from Ford to Ford-Shelby to Ford 'Shelby' to 'Shelby' to roll-your-own, etc) have done so as a result of what the total market approach has uniquely enabled -- a steed for every need!

 

Quite possibly, when history records this latest wave of hi-po redux, THAT may stand at the core of this genuinely durable automotive icon's legacy ...and just might be what permits it to endure in the rather performance-hostile legislative environment the indistry will be likely be facing.

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