Still total amazed

[robtile]

I still cant believe that ford let this car out like this. I think that stock this car rides like shit. That is unless you like feeling the rear shifting while you drive down the road and you like feeling like your in a boat as well. Dont get me wrong the build quality is much better. There is a lot of stock power and I cant even imagine as much as a stage 2 setup but lets be for real the way this car comes from ford, not the way I have to make if for 6 grand after I buy it is a poor example of their flagship muscle car. I knew I was gonna miss my o3 term coupe the day i drove this out of the show room. I read this forum alot. Not much for posting, but I truly do hope that the uca and lca's along with a suspension up grade and pan hard bar change this ride. I have 3900 miles on her and this is another love hate relationship. I mean Lets try not to fry my tires and bounce this thing all over the road. Just awesome. Truthfully If its not right after this suspension is done hello germany. I know I can say M3. Sorry but I really need to rant and would not mind some feedback.

Other than that Happy Turkey Day

[VNMOUS1]

I still cant believe that ford let this car out like this. I think that stock this car rides like shit. That is unless you like feeling the rear shifting while you drive down the road and you like feeling like your in a boat as well. Dont get me wrong the build quality is much better. There is a lot of stock power and I cant even imagine as much as a stage 2 setup but lets be for real the way this car comes from ford, not the way I have to make if for 6 grand after I buy it is a poor example of their flagship muscle car. I knew I was gonna miss my o3 term coupe the day i drove this out of the show room. I read this forum alot. Not much for posting, but I truly do hope that the uca and lca's along with a suspension up grade and pan hard bar change this ride. I have 3900 miles on her and this is another love hate relationship. I mean Lets try not to fry my tires and bounce this thing all over the road. Just awesome. Truthfully If its not right after this suspension is done hello germany. I know I can say M3. Sorry but I really need to rant and would not mind some feedback.

Other than that Happy Turkey Day

 

 

Here's some feedback:

 

 

http://www.find-a-therapist.com/

 

And as for the horrible loss of your Termie.........

 

 

 

If you don't like your car, mod it or sell it.

 

 

Oh, and welcome to the forum.

 

 

 

bj

[robtile]

vnmous1. I cant call anytoday theyre all off for the holidays.

Well what kinda difference can I truly expect when I do the lca's and uca along with the panhard rod. I see yours are done

Thanks for the welcome.

If Im not happy with it next year its gone. Dont get me wrong, the cars awesome but the suspension sucks

[mciarochi]

If you think this one is bad, you should've tried the old school! You got religion really fast in those bad boys! You need to think, less power, more torque, worse handling, crappy clutch, sloppy shifter, leaf springs, all topped off with really really bad brakes trying to stop a 600 pound engine block.

 

I won't even start with the AM radio and the seat belts.

 

Mustang is the car "designed to be designed by you." The <$50k stock GT500 is an awesome basic platform. Start designing...

[VNMOUS1]

vnmous1. I cant call anytoday theyre all off for the holidays.

Well what kinda difference can I truly expect when I do the lca's and uca along with the panhard rod. I see yours are done

Thanks for the welcome.

If Im not happy with it next year its gone. Dont get me wrong, the cars awesome but the suspension sucks

 

99% of the time people don't need the upper control arm upgrade. The issue(s) seem to be, in no particular order:

 

Junk tires. Turn to stone under 50 degrees f.

"Improved" durometer (read: neoprene) bushings on the lower control arms. Junk.

Driveline that, while "within specs", seems to be out of whack at varying degrees. Gets much worse when using lowering kits/springs.

 

Here's what's worked for me:

BMR lower control arms from Evolution Performance (there have been reports of bushing failures on these, but mine are ok as of today and I've had them on for well over a year).

 

I no longer have the BMR upper control arm on the car. Too noisy.

 

The adjustable panhard allowed me to center up the rear. Facing the rear of the car, the right tire stuck out 3/8" more than the left. When tires spin and don't spin straight, it exacerbated the wheel hop.

 

BEST suspension mod thus far? BFG KDW2 tires. Night and day from the Goodyears. F1 Supercars are always on sale at Tire Rack for a reason. They suck. I had the Supercar run flats on a C5 and they were fine. These aren't.

 

If you're looking for mod ideas, try this.....either BMR or Steeda lower control arms. If that doesn't dramatically help, try the panhard to realign things. Next step would be tires. Final step would be the upper control arm (unless you're drag racing it a lot....then go ahead and do the upper control arm)

 

bj

[Secondo]

Welcome to the site!! You are one tough customer. The Terminators are great cars. But no car is perfect for everyone. FYI- From what I have read from other GT500 owners, Steeda has great parts for your suspension. Ford gave us the GT500 as great platform to work with for everyone and it's up to you to go from there if you need more. Just open any new Mustang magazine and you're sure to find what you need in there. Good luck.

[bullittmansparts]

I have only lowered rear springs(3/4inch) and adjustable panhard bar. I have NO wheelhop...Agree stock tires are HORRIBLE below 50 degrees OK at 70+. Have done some dragracing with stock setup, no problems except wheelspin. I have stage II mods.

[ilmor]

I still cant believe that ford let this car out like this. I think that stock this car rides like shit. That is unless you like feeling the rear shifting while you drive down the road and you like feeling like your in a boat as well. Dont get me wrong the build quality is much better. There is a lot of stock power and I cant even imagine as much as a stage 2 setup but lets be for real the way this car comes from ford, not the way I have to make if for 6 grand after I buy it is a poor example of their flagship muscle car. I knew I was gonna miss my o3 term coupe the day i drove this out of the show room. I read this forum alot. Not much for posting, but I truly do hope that the uca and lca's along with a suspension up grade and pan hard bar change this ride. I have 3900 miles on her and this is another love hate relationship. I mean Lets try not to fry my tires and bounce this thing all over the road. Just awesome. Truthfully If its not right after this suspension is done hello germany. I know I can say M3. Sorry but I really need to rant and would not mind some feedback.

Other than that Happy Turkey Day

 

Wow, those are some harsh comments and apparently you had no idea what type of vehicle you were getting into, as you readily admit. I've owned a 911 and an M3 in the past, and I think my Shelby GT is a great handler, especially considering it costs a BUNCH less than those other cars to buy and maintain. Add the fun and admirement factors and its one of the best values out there IMO. I suggest that you sell your GT500 immediately because I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there who will love it.

[SN8KBYT]

Kind of glad Ford didn't build it like some would of thought it should have been built. Price$$ of the car would have been out of reach for some. I think sometimes we expect more then we should, I myself like to tinker in the garage and personalize my ride. I have upgraded my car with a few modification and think the car is awesome. .With the following suspension modifications the car handles excellent. I agree that the tires are not the best performanced tire for this car but I guess I will have get the type of shoe for what I'm going to use the car for. I have other modification but maybe will list on another post.

 

GT500 Ultimate Suspension Package(Evolution Performance)

Billet Lower Control Arms with Poly Bushings

Evolution Performance heavy duty billet Control Arms are CNC machined from 6061-T6 aircraft grade aluminum.

Adjustable "3rd Link" Upper Control Arm and Mount

Adjustable Panhard Bar & HD Panhard Bar Brace

3 Point Frame Rail & Torque Box Brace

Driveshaft Safety Loop Package

Steeda Tri-Ax® Shifter

Evolution Performance - 3.5" Aluminum Driveshaft - (1-Piece)

JLT Carbon Fiber Air Intake System, Evolution Performance, Inc. Custom Tuned SCT X3, 2.6” Supercharger Pulley, Auxiliary Idler Assembly, and (8) NGK TR6 Spark Plugs!

Single adjustable, custom valved Konis in Ground Control short strut housings

Koni Single Adjustable Front Strut

Ground Control Threaded Sleeves

Ground Control Adjustable Spring Perch

Koni Single Adjustable Rear Shocks Preadjusted

Ground Control Camber / Caster Plates

4 Ground Control springs, manufactured by Eibach to GC specs

Ground Control Bump Stop

Ground Control Rear Ride Height Adjustment Kit

1 Pair rear upper shock mounts (urethane)

Lowered the car 2 inches

[robtile]

Wow, those are some harsh comments and apparently you had no idea what type of vehicle you were getting into, as you readily admit. I've owned a 911 and an M3 in the past, and I think my Shelby GT is a great handler, especially considering it costs a BUNCH less than those other cars to buy and maintain. Add the fun and admirement factors and its one of the best values out there IMO. I suggest that you sell your GT500 immediately because I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there who will love it.

Ilmor I knew what I was getting into. Youre Shelby GT is a different car than the 500. A few hundred pounds lighter, a better handler out of the box and already lowered.

Theres a lot of things I love about this car but the ride is not what I would have liked out of the box.

What SN8KBYT has with the evo setup is probably the way I have to go. But lets be real we all know this thing does the bunnyhop stock setup. I guess I was used to the 600lb spring setup on my 03. Now granted that had wheelhop too but I did feel more like one driving that car. Before the 03 was an01 cobra. The power upgrades (ie evo stage 2 ) I knew had to be done, but you cant tell me that ford couldnt have spent another 100 bucks to put in different control arms and panhard bar. How bout the shifter. They couldnt have put in the ford racing shifter similar to the one in your gt along with a set of 373's. This car was a pain in the a** to get to begin with. Hey if I cant share it here then where do I go to. I know VENOMOUS1 already sent me the link :D

[mastersmech1]

You have valid points, but it has been fun to create what I really like. The wheel hop should definitely have been addressed by Ford. Who test drove these cars, Granny? . Read signature.

[SN8KBYT]

Kind of off the performance issue I think could at least put a power passenger seat in... I'm going to work on that one myself.

[mobeydick]

I still cant believe that ford let this car out like this. I think that stock this car rides like shit. That is unless you like feeling the rear shifting while you drive down the road and you like feeling like your in a boat as well. Dont get me wrong the build quality is much better. There is a lot of stock power and I cant even imagine as much as a stage 2 setup but lets be for real the way this car comes from ford, not the way I have to make if for 6 grand after I buy it is a poor example of their flagship muscle car. I knew I was gonna miss my o3 term coupe the day i drove this out of the show room. I read this forum alot. Not much for posting, but I truly do hope that the uca and lca's along with a suspension up grade and pan hard bar change this ride. I have 3900 miles on her and this is another love hate relationship. I mean Lets try not to fry my tires and bounce this thing all over the road. Just awesome. Truthfully If its not right after this suspension is done hello germany. I know I can say M3. Sorry but I really need to rant and would not mind some feedback.

Other than that Happy Turkey Day

 

 

BYE

[robtile]

Well thats really nice from the elusive white whale

[chuckstang]

I still cant believe that ford let this car out like this. I think that stock this car rides like shit. That is unless you like feeling the rear shifting while you drive down the road and you like feeling like your in a boat as well. Dont get me wrong the build quality is much better. There is a lot of stock power and I cant even imagine as much as a stage 2 setup but lets be for real the way this car comes from ford, not the way I have to make if for 6 grand after I buy it is a poor example of their flagship muscle car. I knew I was gonna miss my o3 term coupe the day i drove this out of the show room. I read this forum alot. Not much for posting, but I truly do hope that the uca and lca's along with a suspension up grade and pan hard bar change this ride. I have 3900 miles on her and this is another love hate relationship. I mean Lets try not to fry my tires and bounce this thing all over the road. Just awesome. Truthfully If its not right after this suspension is done hello germany. I know I can say M3. Sorry but I really need to rant and would not mind some feedback.

Other than that Happy Turkey Day

 

Adios Troll

Enjoy the M3, carefull though, you may get passed by a stock NA Cobra Mustang hahahaha

[robtile]

let meget this right chuck, youre the same guy I was trying to help out when you were crying about youre insurance. Troll hmm, at least this one would know how to put in a cai with out breaking it and bashing the company that manufactured it ha ha ha :o

[robtile]

but on a serious note thanks to those with the helpful feedback

[Revans310]

let meget this right chuck, youre the same guy I was trying to help out when you were crying about youre insurance. Troll hmm, at least this one would know how to put in a cai with out breaking it and bashing the company that manufactured it ha ha ha :o

 

 

[Grabber]

I read this forum alot. Not much for posting

You ask some silly questions for being a 2 year member that reads alot of info here.

 

I don't get it!

[wingnut]

but on a serious note thanks to those with the helpful feedback

There was a thread froma guy in Seattle, I think, that did his supension with help froma shop. He said it TOTALLY changed the handling characteristics of the stock ride, Not sure if you read it but if you did his mechanic told him to drive it like he stole it.

 

You might try to search for the thread....I think it was about 3 mos ago. Also the cool things about mustangs have always been how well they repond to mods. Good luck with your quest.

[regalt87]

I too expected more for the cost of the car and am disappointed that I have to spend a couple more grand to get it where I think it should be. But when you consider cost per HP it's really cheaper than other cars especially considering what the finished product will be. For the money where else can you find a mod friendly car with the potential and looks that this one has. Yes I expected more, and I have owned a lot of pretty neat performance cars in my time but still none will compare to this one.

 

Spend a couple grand on the suspension and put the pulley and tune on the car and if you still hate it trade it for a Z-06. You will still have to mod the engine to get the power a modded and tuned GT500 makes. The Z06 is an impressive handling car. But it is in another class also and so is it's price tag.

[Dropping__Chronic]

I too expected more for the cost of the car and am disappointed that I have to spend a couple more grand to get it where I think it should be. But when you consider cost per HP it's really cheaper than other cars especially considering what the finished product will be. For the money where else can you find a mod friendly car with the potential and looks that this one has. Yes I expected more, and I have owned a lot of pretty neat performance cars in my time but still none will compare to this one.

 

Spend a couple grand on the suspension and put the pulley and tune on the car and if you still hate it trade it for a Z-06. You will still have to mod the engine to get the power a modded and tuned GT500 makes. The Z06 is an impressive handling car. But it is in another class also and so is it's price tag.

 

A car 'in the pricerange' that I was really impressed by even though it lacks some horses compared to the GT500 is the BMW 335i. Great pulling car that can get 416hp with a chip, handling is really good and so are the fit and finish. Kind of off topic, but that's a great car in 'this range' that perhaps the thread starter might want to check out if they can't get their car where they want it.

[90GT]

let meget this right chuck, youre the same guy I was trying to help out when you were crying about youre insurance. Troll hmm, at least this one would know how to put in a cai with out breaking it and bashing the company that manufactured it ha ha ha :o

 

 

[chuckstang]

let meget this right chuck, youre the same guy I was trying to help out when you were crying about youre insurance. Troll hmm, at least this one would know how to put in a cai with out breaking it and bashing the company that manufactured it ha ha ha :o

 

hahaahahahah

sorry but really I may have bashed a product, but you just bashed the entire car!

That was too funny though really, but Im sorry I really didnt remember your username and I still don't even though you brought that up. Did you change names?

Im in a similar boat as you, as I think the suspension blows, but that is such a minor part of the car IMO because those that have changed theres out absolutley love the car!

 

Once mine is lowered and hop free, I know it will be the ultimate dream car I already think it is, but it will at least perform like one. Right now I cant even come close to utilizing the HP due to the hopping in 1st and 2nd gear.

 

Sersiouly though, keep the car, it gets better with each mod, and not like a little better, ALOT BETTER

 

I am in love with this car hahahah

 

PS-I think I lost my recent GF over this obsession, she just did not understand, she made me chose her or the car, I chose the car!

 

GT500 FTW

[BillyRay]

Bro,

Women and cars and dating are about the same..........This always works for me!!!

 

The cure is to lower your standards....like my girlfriend below........Billy

[Grabber]

Bro,

Women and cars and dating are about the same..........This always works for me!!!

 

The cure is to lower your standards....like my girlfriend below........Billy

[srk1959]

Geez I just got done waxing the red coupe and went up to my office to check out the posts. And to think I bought 2 of these things? Well thats it, they both get parked outside for the winter or until Miller compressing comes and picks them up.........Wow!!!

[Grabber]

Geez I just got done waxing the red coupe and went up to my office to check out the posts. And to think I bought 2 of these things? Well thats it, they both get parked outside for the winter or until Miller compressing comes and picks them up.........Wow!!!

You shoud get about $40 bucks a ton.

[srk1959]

[robtile]

Well hi everyone. I didnt mean to stir the pot so much. I dont even think I bashed the car. I did however bash the suspension. Now I know it needs to be upgraded. All I said was that with all the hype surrounding the production of my gt500, ford could have done a bit better than the suspension that they released it with. Obviously the most helpful comments are from those that have already done their susp. setup. I do hope however that with some of these not performance car friendly roads in NY that lowering this car doesnt bring a new set of issues.

Chuck not to get into it but your basically talking about the same things that I have a problem with in your post about susp. upgrades. I didnt even ask any questions. I just stated my disbelief. So Ill do what I need to do and go from there.