Settle down my fellow Stangers

[supe]

Take a deep breath and stop taking Valium. Ford is putting an enormous amount of advertising recourses be hind the GT500. They are going produce a ton of these cars. My buddy was going crazy for a 2003 Mach-1. Most dealers got 10K over sticker. With a little patience and blood pressure medication a Mach-1 was purchased for 2K under MSRP. The GT is a great car and over time the price has dropped and so will the Shelby… This may help some of you from freaking out…

[Joe G]

Agree supe. If you must be the first to get one, expect to pay more. If you can wait, prices WILL go down. MSRP? Hopefully - but don't be surprised if it doesn't. Below MSRP? Don't hold your breath unless something strange goes on or Ford announces another special Mustang that takes many of those waiting for the GT500 and makes them switch to the new model.

[RUFDRAFT]

I, too, waited a bit for a Mach 1 and got in under MSRP - I think this one will be different.

 

The Mach was a modest HP increase over the GT - and not as much as the Cobra.

 

The Shelby's hp and history, in my humble, will keep prices strong throughout the run.

[KingCobra]

With all of the hype and excitement over the GT500, and the short production run

of 2 years, that's approximately 18-19000 units, I would be very surprised to see

anybody get below MSRP.

 

 

KingCobra.

[Five Oh B]

I, too, waited a bit for a Mach 1 and got in under MSRP - I think this one will be different.

 

The Mach was a modest HP increase over the GT - and not as much as the Cobra.

 

The Shelby's hp and history, in my humble, will keep prices strong throughout the run.

 

 

I got the 03 Mach 1 just as 04 Mach 1's were about to arrive. Paid $23K, while MSRP was $30K, saving nearly $7K off MSRP.

 

I wouldn't say the Mach 1 was a "modest HP increase over the GT." Mach 1's make about 330-340 hp at the crank, while the GT's of that era made 260 hp. Don't let the factory ratings fool you. My 2000 Mustang GT coupe ran the 1/4 mile in the 13.8's @ 98 stock, while the Mach 1 does it in the 13.0's @ 105 stock. And if the GT500 runs low 12's at 115, then the delta over the Mach 1 is roughly the same as the Mach 1's delta over the '99-'04 GT's.

 

Like RUFDRAFT, I think the GT500 will be different as far as when (and if) pricing settles down.

[GT500OnOrder]

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I got the 03 Mach 1 just as 04 Mach 1's were about to arrive. Paid $23K, while MSRP was $30K, saving nearly $7K off MSRP.

 

I wouldn't say the Mach 1 was a "modest HP increase over the GT." Mach 1's make about 330-340 hp at the crank, while the GT's of that era made 260 hp. Don't let the factory ratings fool you. My 2000 Mustang GT coupe ran the 1/4 mile in the 13.8's @ 98 stock, while the Mach 1 does it in the 13.0's @ 105 stock. And if the GT500 runs low 12's at 115, then the delta over the Mach 1 is roughly the same as the Mach 1's delta over the '99-'04 GT's.

 

Like RUFDRAFT, I think the GT500 will be different as far as when (and if) pricing settles down.

 

[SVTpower]

Where I live, I have 5 SVT dealers within a 10km radius and ALL have 2008 lists already going, and ALL have oversold their 2007 allotment. This car will be different, it will sellout for both years!!!

[5.4 Shelby]

I think you guys are all overestimating the demand. 18-19k (likely more) cars is a lot of cars for this niche. There are not that many people out there want a 500 hp car. Ford knows about how many they will sell and plan to make that many. Mark my words, they will make more than they originally state. They always do. They want people to think they won't get one to keep sales strong.

[Orf]

I think you guys are all overestimating the demand. 18-19k (likely more) cars is a lot of cars for this niche. There are not that many people out there want a 500 hp car. Ford knows about how many they will sell and plan to make that many. Mark my words, they will make more than they originally state. They always do. They want people to think they won't get one to keep sales strong.

 

 

[sarcasm] I'd be surprised to find out 18-19K people still know how to drive a stick. [/sarcasm]

[DVS2XS]

ORF - Now that's funny!

[Guest evilchris]

I, too, waited a bit for a Mach 1 and got in under MSRP - I think this one will be different.

 

The Mach was a modest HP increase over the GT - and not as much as the Cobra.

 

The Shelby's hp and history, in my humble, will keep prices strong throughout the run.

 

 

The Terminator was 125HP over the 03/04 Mustang GT and they almost had to give them away at the end of their run. Horsepower doesn't set the price, available units and willing buyers does. There will not be 18,000 people willing to pay over 44k for this car.

[GT500OnOrder]

I think you guys are all overestimating the demand. 18-19k (likely more) cars is a lot of cars for this niche. There are not that many people out there want a 500 hp car. Ford knows about how many they will sell and plan to make that many. Mark my words, they will make more than they originally state. They always do. They want people to think they won't get one to keep sales strong.

 

[Guest evilchris]

I have to disagree. The production numbers are not that different than the previous "annual" Cobra production numbers, and the Shelby designation has blown this open to entirely different crowd of enthusiasts. In the past, I never even considered a SVT Cobra. This is a totally different product (not really) that has opened this up to a very affluent group that you won't typically find posting on an enthusiast forum like this.

 

Ford is the only one that actually knows this, but I would bet that the entire 2007 production run is spoken for. I'm #1 on my "small" dealers 2007 list. I'm #11 on his 2008 list (yes, I would purchase a second GT500 given the opportunity). And that's a dealer in a town of 2,900 people. You do the math on a national basis with a typical dealer getting anywhere from 2 to 8 units in the 24 month production window.

 

GT500OnOrder

 

 

We'll find out within 6 months. I can't wait to bump these posts when my prediction happens ( cars sitting on lots for MSRP, much like the Ford GT supercar )

[SVTpower]

I have to disagree. The production numbers are not that different than the previous "annual" Cobra production numbers, and the Shelby designation has blown this open to entirely different crowd of enthusiasts. In the past, I never even considered a SVT Cobra. This is a totally different product (not really) that has opened this up to a very affluent group that you won't typically find posting on an enthusiast forum like this.

 

Ford is the only one that actually knows this, but I would bet that the entire 2007 production run is spoken for. I'm #1 on my "small" dealers 2007 list. I'm #11 on his 2008 list (yes, I would purchase a second GT500 given the opportunity). And that's a dealer in a town of 2,900 people. You do the math on a national basis with a typical dealer getting anywhere from 2 to 8 units in the 24 month production window.

 

GT500OnOrder

 

 

Thanks, we're on the same page. You also proved my point, all are filling 2008 lists already just as I mentioned.

 

 

We'll find out within 6 months. I can't wait to bump these posts when my prediction happens ( cars sitting on lots for MSRP, much like the Ford GT supercar )

 

 

 

Ford GT 'on lots' ??? Where, the few I have seen are in showrooms and always sold. Good luck. You may be waiting to bump these, I believe you are completely wrong!

[GT500OnOrder]

We'll find out within 6 months. I can't wait to bump these posts when my prediction happens ( cars sitting on lots for MSRP, much like the Ford GT supercar )

 

[KingCobra]

I believe the 2007's are already spoken for, and the 2008's are already going so,

 

don't hold your breath on anything sitting on the lot, or even making it to the lot.

 

 

KingCobra.

[GT500OnOrder]

I believe the 2007's are already spoken for, and the 2008's are already going so,

 

don't hold your breath on anything sitting on the lot, or even making it to the lot.

KingCobra.

 

 

 

KingCobra:

 

I have to agree. This GT500 is spoken for. Those receiving MSRP units had an early contract (before the dealer knew what he had on his hands) or are buying from the dealer that has a policy on MSRP only.

 

There will probably be a few exceptions, however the idea of large numbers of people getting a below MSRP price on this car simply won't materialize with a limited 24 month production window.

 

Just my opinion.

 

GT500OnOrder

[RUFDRAFT]

Perhaps Ford will make public just how much demand there's been on this car - even before production begins. And - I've not seen much advertising on it, either - from Ford.

 

How many people have owned Mustangs in the past - but haven't been motivated to buy another - until now.

 

This car - is the Motivator!

 

Bow-Tie - where's this Camaro?

 

Mopar - where is the Challenger?

 

Bring it.

[GT500SC07]

I have to disagree. The production numbers are not that different than the previous "annual" Cobra production numbers, and the Shelby designation has blown this open to entirely different crowd of enthusiasts. In the past, I never even considered a SVT Cobra. This is a totally different product (not really) that has opened this up to a very affluent group that you won't typically find posting on an enthusiast forum like this.

 

Ford is the only one that actually knows this, but I would bet that the entire 2007 production run is spoken for. I'm #1 on my "small" dealers 2007 list. I'm #11 on his 2008 list (yes, I would purchase a second GT500 given the opportunity). And that's a dealer in a town of 2,900 people. You do the math on a national basis with a typical dealer getting anywhere from 2 to 8 units in the 24 month production window.

 

GT500OnOrder

 

I totally agree with you, we are dealing with the baby boomer generation which were raised with the original

Shelby's and either missed out or want to rekindle some excitement before our motor skills go. I have never had the desire to purchase previous SVT products, but this one is driving me nuts along with 10's of thoudands of others like us. The rekindled styling and droping the Shelby name and 500HP, has me as excited as my ninth Christmas getting my red rider BB gun. :happy feet:

[RUFDRAFT]

Did you put your eye out? :bandance:

[GT500OnOrder]

Perhaps Ford will make public just how much demand there's been on this car - even before production begins. And - I've not seen much advertising on it, either - from Ford.

 

How many people have owned Mustangs in the past - but haven't been motivated to buy another - until now.

 

This car - is the Motivator!

 

[old guy]

Don't forget that a large number of people will sell within a year or two. I think that once the original owners start selling these cars the demand will go down. Time will tell.

[RUFDRAFT]

Exactly!

 

And why did you?

 

Perhaps it's because this time, Ford did it Right!

 

I, along with many of you, suffered through the Mustang/Camaro days of who had what engines, etc.

 

Ford seemed to always keep the gloves on. When, in fact, I'll bet the engineers were screaming, "let us go for it!"

 

Finally - finally - they went for it - and in a very big way.

 

This car is a quantum leap from the SVT Cobras of recent years.

 

This is a Saturday night brawler - and a road course hauler.

 

And - if I don't at least see some pics of some customer cars soon...I may fall way off the wagon. :bandance:

[Guest evilchris]

evilchris - for a simple comparison, a Viper with similar horsepower from the mid-nineties (that's ten years ago) still has an asking price (if well kept and low mileage) north of $50,000. That in my opinion is a darn good investement, by the original owner, for the money and the return on entertainment value they've received.

 

The Viper has none of the nostalgia of a Shelby 500 hp car. This Shelby/horsepower combination opens the market for the GT500 up to one of the most affluent group of buyers ever known to the big three auto makers. In fact, this group of buyers will most likely break Medicare and the Social Security system we have in place now.

 

While you may be waiting and searching for a "deal" your missing your opportunity to own what will be one of the best descretionary investments you can make for entertainment purposes.

 

Simply my opinion.

 

GT500OnOrder

 

 

I don't look at the car as an investment. Like I have stated many times, I will drive the car into the ground. 200k miles within 10 years. Cars are meant to be used, not shined and shown. What a waste.

 

Again, this car will sell for MSRP within 6 months after the 1st one is delivered.

 

My best example is the T-Bird. People paid $10,000 over MSRP in 2002. That same car, with say 1000 miles, is worth $20,000 at most.

[Evil95GT]

Cars are meant to be used, not shined and shown. What a waste.

 

 

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but that sort of mentality reminds me of the folks who throw their open doors into the quarter panels of other cars without so much as batting an eye.

 

There's something special about showing your car off, shining the living out of it, then showing up at a dragstrip. You gotta love the folks who laugh, shake their heads in disbelief, and think that just because a car is eye candy or sex on wheels it isn't going to turn the numbers. It's those same people who have to turn around and walk away when that car blows the doors off the "expected runners"..........by "expected runners", I'm talking about the cars with their big & little tires, a driver's seat and nothing more, plus a cheap 6 point roll bar. You know, the ones that LOOK like they're going to run 8s and then produce mid 13s.

 

If you wanna beat the piss out of your GT500, knock yourself out.............you're the one who's paying for it. Having said that, there's no reason to knock the people who will actually take care of the car.

[Guest evilchris]

Did I say I won't take car of the car? You're a mod, does that mean you can break the rules and ATTACK me by calling me an Grow up.

 

I'll wax it to protect the paint, but I sure as hell don't have time to shine it and shave in the reflection. "Taking car of a car". I've been doing just that for longer than you have.

 

It's amazing how offended you get by someone saying they are going to USE the machine and not worship it like a crazed muslim praying to allah.

 

Wow "Michelle", you're a real Mustang fan:

 

http://www.moparstyle.net/forums/showpost....093&postcount=9

[KingCobra]

Well.....

 

Like the lady said.....

 

Instead of the Grim Reaper, I think I'll just refer to you as Chip!!!

 

As in chip on your shoulder, the size of say.....your head!!!

 

 

KingCobra.

[Guest evilchris]

Well.....

 

Like the lady said.....

 

Instead of the Grim Reaper, I think I'll just refer to you as Chip!!!

 

As in chip on your shoulder, the size of say.....your head!!!

KingCobra.

 

 

Thanks for reminding me why I hate Canadians.

[Evil95GT]

Uh oh............I'm nailed. You found the dirt. :rolleyes:

 

It's a well known fact that I never cared for the '05+ V6 or GT in stock form. With the right touch, they can be beautiful, but I always felt they could have done alot more with the design of the car.

 

Had they used the GT500 cues, the car would have probably been better received.

 

I guess I'm off to say my goodbyes, as I know the membership will surely hang me upside down and beat the tar out of me. :rolleyes:

[68fastback]

I totally agree with you, we are dealing with the baby boomer generation which were raised with the original

Shelby's and either missed out or want to rekindle some excitement before our motor skills go. I have never had the desire to purchase previous SVT products, but this one is driving me nuts along with 10's of thoudands of others like us. The rekindled styling and droping the Shelby name and 500HP, has me as excited as my ninth Christmas getting my red rider BB gun.

 

 

Yeah, and besides the HP and great retro looks and all the emotional demand from when us baby-boomers were teens/20-somethings, let's not forget that the new mustang has a level of engineering integrity vastly superior to the previous generation. The tortional rigidity of the new 'stang was a quantum jump when it debuted and my understanding is that further rigidity improvements made for the GT convertible have already been rolled back into the base production vehicle as well. The GT500 is not just a pretty stang with a slick engine, it's also a great car in it's own right fully capable of structurally handling it's 475rwHP (and probably at least 125rwHP more)

 

Having said that, and with Fords two-year rolling plan, I truly believe that when each flavor-or-the-year rolls off the line, the prior model (in year-2 of its run) will settle back to MSRP or thereabouts. I also agree that the GT500 is very special, but I think as soon as a KR or Boss-330 or Mach-1 or ... is announced, the car that's in year-2 will shed some demand to MSRP as the new flavor-of-the-year starts ramping orders. Is it possible the GT500 presently has demand so far in excess of it's total 2-year plan volume that production won't catch demand? I suppose, but Ford isn't in the business of leaving income on the table. If the GT500 is truly special (i.e. the Boss-330 [or whatever] is not it's equal performance-wise), I would expect Ford to run the GT500 a third year. It's built on the same line with the V6 and GT and, undoubtedly with the next flavor-of-the-year, so it's not a production challenge to extend its run if its demand is specific to the GT500. If its demand is not specific to the GT500 (i.e. it's specific to any 500HP flavor-of-the-year mustang alone) then market price on the GT500 MUST revert to MSRP or less in year-2 if the flavor-of-the-year is its performance equal. And if it is, great!!!

 

The only thing I don't love about the GT500 is its weight -- but for $40-45K it's such an amazing bargain I have to cut Ford some slack. My '01 Cobra was about 300lbs lighter and the C6/Z06 is about 500lbs ligter. Not sure what a Viper weighs these days (but its exhaust note is so downright nausiating it doesn't much matter!) Yes, I want it all: great engineering, outrageous power, handling, stopping and style. For its price point, the GT500 is simply amazing -- I'm in love all over again, but paying over MSRP is something I've never done and never will.

 

I sure hope the '08 flavor-of-the-year is a blockbuster! <grin>