EXPcustom Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I noticed the 40th Shelby Eibach package does not come with a Panhard bar so I take it they used the stock one. My question is I am thinking about ordering the Shelby Eibach suspension package for my GT500 and am wondering would I still need a panhard bar for my 20inch Razors to fit right. Unless I missed something and you guys have a adj. panhard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Here's a pic of the Shelby/Eibach suspension installed. My 40th has this installed, but I haven't picked it up yet. KingCobra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXPcustom Posted October 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I guess the sway bars and adjustable coil overs eliminates the need for a adj. Panhard bar unless I am missing something but that looks like the stock panhard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 Here's a pic of the Shelby/Eibach suspension installed. My 40th has this installed, but I haven't picked it up yet. KingCobra. Geeze! You think they'd at least clean the rust off the rear before putting on the new stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy23c Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Geeze! You think they'd at least clean the rust off the rear before putting on the new stuff. Silly rabbit! Then Shelby Autos would be in the 'Shelby restoration business', not the Shelby building business....and add labor/cost to the installation. As an aside, that's a relatively easy fix at home...see Bad Boy for tips on that one! Hope this helps a bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Silly rabbit! Then Shelby Autos would be in the 'Shelby restoration business', not the Shelby building business....and add labor/cost to the installation.As an aside, that's a relatively easy fix at home...see Bad Boy for tips on that one! Hope this helps a bit... The rust problem is an easy fix that we should not have to do. Video: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe G Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 The rust problem is an easy fix that we should not have to do. Video: Yeah, what Grabby said. Now, if Shelby Autos gets a year old car with crud all over it, then I'd expect them to charge to clean it up. But to not fix a known deficiency while their doing a $30k upgrade on a SS car that is brand new seems to be taking a short cut to me. No disrespect Crispy, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy23c Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Yeah, what Grabby said. Now, if Shelby Autos gets a year old car with crud all over it, then I'd expect them to charge to clean it up. But to not fix a known deficiency while their doing a $30k upgrade on a SS car that is brand new seems to be taking a short cut to me. No disrespect Crispy, just my opinion. None taken, but.....Ford built that car, right?? You paid Ford and they warranteed that car, right? Shouldn't you expect Ford to fix the problem that they manufactured? Why would/should Shelby pay for Ford's mistake? That just doesn't make any sense to me...and that's why warranty costs are built into every vehicle they make... Further, when you have a 3rd party fix an existing problem from another manufacturer, what happens when you are not happy with results? Why not just go to Ford in the first place to correct the problem? Further, in Ford's defense, I have never seen the undercarriage of any car not get some surface rust. Ever. But if you're not happy with Ford's mfg work, I would take it up with Ford and either get them to correct the problem or do it myself....just my .02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy23c Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 BTW, Grabby....nice rear-end!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXPcustom Posted October 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2007 So it appears the complete Shelby Eibach kit uses the stock panhard bar and it does not requier adjustment correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BAD500 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 You will need to add an adjustable panhard bar. The left rear will stick out farther than the right rear. Visually it is not very obvious, but the tires do rub if you run the 20 inch Razors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT500FLYBOY Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 After the 40th work - will the stock rim/tires still fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BAD500 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I don't know if the rears will still fit, they may be too wide, the offset is different from the new ones. The 20 inch razors are more narrow than the stock tires, but because fo the rim design they actually look much wider than the stock ones. But since the stock ones are slightly shorter, they may still work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradenbb Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 You will need to add an adjustable panhard bar. The left rear will stick out farther than the right rear. Visually it is not very obvious, but the tires do rub if you run the 20 inch Razors. I would think they would need the adj panhard if needed. Does it rub on daily driving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BAD500 Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 There is a very similiar thread going on that is addressing the suspension issues. I have posted a couple of comments there regarding the panhard bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradenbb Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I just spoke with John from SAI. He is unaware of any rubbing on the tires or offset as a result of not have an adj panhard bar. He will be checking this forum for details. If there is any sort of problem they want to fix it. Could someone please describe the problem in detail...where it is rubbing, how it is offset etc. They have done 35 of these and are willing to look into anything that causes concern. Thanks all. bb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BAD500 Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I e-mailed John at SAI today and he replied that they are very busy due to SEMA show and would get back to me after discussing it with his team. I am confident that they will make it right. As far as the details of the rubbing, the tire rubs on the upper lip of the left rear fender well when the suspension is compressed. Without going into a lot of technicals, it has to due with the geometry of the suspension of this car. The panhard bar is mounted at an angle, between the frame and the rear axle housing. When the car is lowered, that geometry changes, which causes the left rear tire to move out ever so slightly. Since the car now sits lower and the tires hang out a little further, it causes some slight rubbing when the suspension is heavily compressed such as when hitting a dip in the pavement. By putting an adjustable panhard bar on the car you can change the length of the bar to correct the offset. It is a very simple solution, but something that is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradenbb Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I e-mailed John at SAI today and he replied that they are very busy due to SEMA show and would get back to me after discussing it with his team. I am confident that they will make it right. As far as the details of the rubbing, the tire rubs on the upper lip of the left rear fender well when the suspension is compressed. Without going into a lot of technicals, it has to due with the geometry of the suspension of this car. The panhard bar is mounted at an angle, between the frame and the rear axle housing. When the car is lowered, that geometry changes, which causes the left rear tire to move out ever so slightly. Since the car now sits lower and the tires hang out a little further, it causes some slight rubbing when the suspension is heavily compressed such as when hitting a dip in the pavement. By putting an adjustable panhard bar on the car you can change the length of the bar to correct the offset. It is a very simple solution, but something that is necessary. Thank you for helping all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meckonica@bellsouth.net Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 What did you use to make your car so perfect withuot rust? and how did you do it? meckonica@bellsouth.net The rust problem is an easy fix that we should not have to do. Video: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grabber Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 What did you use to make your car so perfect withuot rust? and how did you do it? meckonica@bellsouth.net The instructions on my project are located here: http://www.stangsunleashed.com/forums/inde...c=11229&hl= Oh yeh...Welcome to Stangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I e-mailed John at SAI today and he replied that they are very busy due to SEMA show and would get back to me after discussing it with his team. I am confident that they will make it right. As far as the details of the rubbing, the tire rubs on the upper lip of the left rear fender well when the suspension is compressed. Without going into a lot of technicals, it has to due with the geometry of the suspension of this car. The panhard bar is mounted at an angle, between the frame and the rear axle housing. When the car is lowered, that geometry changes, which causes the left rear tire to move out ever so slightly. Since the car now sits lower and the tires hang out a little further, it causes some slight rubbing when the suspension is heavily compressed such as when hitting a dip in the pavement. By putting an adjustable panhard bar on the car you can change the length of the bar to correct the offset. It is a very simple solution, but something that is necessary. I hope this can be solved quickly!!! We will be flying down to Vegas on October 29th (10 days), and driving back my new 40th on November 2nd. I live in British Columbia, it is a LONG drive, that I am REALLY looking forward to experiencing my new suspension!!! Thanks for all of the details into describing what you have experienced, and thanks John for looking into it for us. KingCobra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1BAD500 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I hope that you are as pleased as I was when I picked my car up. IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL ! The car looks completly different. My car is a black coupe, and I LOVE the new silver stripes, I think it brightened up the car a lot. It looks and sounds a lot more aggressive than it did. And as I said before, you will turn heads everywhere you go. ENJOY! P.S. John and everyone at SAI are great people to work with. I have been as frustrated and anxious as everyone else waiting for this to finally happen, but IT IS WORTH THE WAIT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 I hope that you are as pleased as I was when I picked my car up. IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL ! The car looks completly different. My car is a black coupe, and I LOVE the new silver stripes, I think it brightened up the car a lot. It looks and sounds a lot more aggressive than it did. And as I said before, you will turn heads everywhere you go. ENJOY! P.S. John and everyone at SAI are great people to work with. I have been as frustrated and anxious as everyone else waiting for this to finally happen, but IT IS WORTH THE WAIT! I don't suppose that you have the ability to post video/audio of the new Borla exhaust at idle and revving??? How do you like the new Pirelli P Zero Nero's??? KingCobra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradenbb Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 I don't suppose that you have the ability to post video/audio of the new Borla exhaust at idle and revving??? How do you like the new Pirelli P Zero Nero's??? KingCobra. How does the 40th ride? sound? are the tires sticking out on one side? do the tires rub? is SAI going to use adj panhard bars now? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 How does the 40th ride? sound? are the tires sticking out on one side? do the tires rub? is SAI going to use adj panhard bars now? Thanks! I absolutely love the 40th package, and am thrilled with my decosion to do it!!!!!!! There is a squeek/rub in the rear drivers side suspension when dips in the road compress the suspension. Higher speeds (highway vs. city) = greater compression = increased squeeking/rubbing. I am not sure what the result will be, but I do know that Shelby is looking into this issue right now. I assume that either an adjustable panhard bar or watts link will be necessary to correct the problem. I am sure that we will hear from SAI soon. KingCobra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratco Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 My car returned home yesterday from SAI. It's a black vert with chrome razors. (XL0029). The car is beautiful. I did not know that SAI would change out the stripes above the rocker panels. All stripes are now silver. The P zeros are as wide as humanly possible without installing flares on the rear wheel wells. The clutch hop is gone. The car really sticks to the road. It used to be real easy to spin the tires. Now the tires stick and the accelleration is awesome. I canot tell much difference in the exhaust at idle. However, my wife said she could now hear me drive all the way out of the neighborhood from inside the house. I haven't done any hard driving to test the suspension, however, on hard acceleration, my car launches perfectly straight without the fishtailing that used to occur when the tires broke loose. The car has been lowered, so leaving the driveway (a have an approximatley 5" drop) is scary because the front splitter is very low and will not clear without careful entry. Speed bumps are also a concern. However, the car is beautiful,. drives better, sounds better... Thanks SAI... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratco Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 I talked to John Walker yesterday regarding the slight rubbing of the left rear wheel. He stated that SAI will be sending me an adjustable panhard bar as soon as possible. John said that SAI is setting up a jig so that the bars can be properly adjusted at SAI so that upon receipt I only have to unbolt the original and replace it with the new. My car was one of the first 40 or so modified, so I would guess that all others modified before mine will also receive the adjustable panhard bar. I would email John Walker at SAI to be sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinsr Posted December 29, 2007 Report Share Posted December 29, 2007 I talked to John Walker yesterday regarding the slight rubbing of the left rear wheel. He stated that SAI will be sending me an adjustable panhard bar as soon as possible. John said that SAI is setting up a jig so that the bars can be properly adjusted at SAI so that upon receipt I only have to unbolt the original and replace it with the new. My car was one of the first 40 or so modified, so I would guess that all others modified before mine will also receive the adjustable panhard bar. I would email John Walker at SAI to be sure... Got my car in July and being one of the first done I did not know about the bar.I called John W just recieved my panhard from SAI,looks like its all set to go. I do remember hearng a noise in the rear before I put the car away for the winter.I hope this cures that come springtime.Will keep 40th people informed. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingCobra Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I received my new panhard bar too, but the "locking nuts" on either end of the bar are loose, so I don't think mine has been pre-adjusted. Does anyone know how SAI wants us to to have these bars installed??? I have heard that they take up to 3.5 hrs of shop time to complete the swap!!! Is everyone's bar powdercoat blue? KingCobra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratco Posted December 31, 2007 Report Share Posted December 31, 2007 Mine was powdercoated blue. The bar was not preadjusted when I received it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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