Three Cobras Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Don't want to overreact, or underreact for that matter. Trying to find out if dealer just does not know or is not being straight. Humor me. With all the the perfidy about I'm trying to make sure I'm being played straight. If not, I need to know in time to change dealers. The story so far: Completed deal with certified dealer within three days of getting the Powerlease leter. They submitted the order, via the SVT P.O.C. for Powerlease orders, and it was forwarded to the 'Mustang schedulers' over two weeks ago. Dealer says they have DORA, but I saw an earlier DORA before we added the stripes, and so have not see the latest DORA. Dealer (first the salesman, then today the new car manager) says they have no information. New car manager says he will check back with local Ford Rep Monday to try to find out status. Says he learns more about Ford from Pouplar Science than he does from Ford. Says he did not know about 6 June Job One date, also says pricing was promised to them about 7 June. Powerlease coordinator has not been able or willing to get someone in the Mustang scheduling office to provide any details or even check that the order from this dealer has the same features I ordered. But he says the PL cars should be produced in the first couple of weeks. I think there must be some way, this close to Job One, to get a status on my order. I know Five Oh B talked sometime ago about their first car getting pulled for production. I also remember another computer system (ASPEC or something like that) that would give the status. This dealer either doesn't know about it or maybe something is going on. Yup, I'm suspicious. Wondering if they switched my order with a dealer buddy's order - in other words ordered his car on my PL option - with the intent of using their first allocation for me. I see a short amount of time for me to spot a problem and correct it before I am stuck with this dealer and this order if there's a problem. Any help is most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isellford Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 I had ordered a Shelby for one of my power lease customers and had a DORA the next day. The car will not get scheduled until you call the power lease headquarters and give them all the info as to where you are ordering a car, etc. The power lease headquarters will call your dealer to confirm the order and assign a priority for production. The dealer has no control over the order, they just get updates as normal. My power lease order has a VIN but no schedule date. Production is supposed to begin the week of 6/6. Ford is not going to release any Shelby's until 6/26 for quality checks. Pricing was supposed to be available the beginning of May for the Shelby and the end of May for the other Mustangs. I check 3-4 times a day and still no pricing. I will post a thread when it becomes live. You had better call Andrew at power lease headquarters at the 866 number in your letter to make sure they have all the info. Hope this helps. P.S. If you st5ill have trouble with your dealer, i would be happy to assist you in your order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSOLVER Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 Don't want to overreact, or underreact for that matter. Says he learns more about Ford from Pouplar Science than he does from Ford. . Just imagine reading that if your a substantial stockholder. Go ahead; panic. This is your premier halo product. Veerry well done. Wow. Where is Colletti and Scarpello when we most need them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niswonger Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 My salesman told me (actually my fiancee) that our vin got pulled today, don't know what status it is, but it at least changed. Anything is good for me now. He still seems to think it will be around Aug. at the earliest for delivery. We'll see. He thought Oct. last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Cobras Posted May 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 ISELL - Thanks. I am wondering if I will have to shift dealers. I thought I made it clear in my post that I had done all of that calling / forwarding of paperwork, etc. Andrew and the dealer talked a couple of times and he says the paperwork has been submitted to the Mustang scheduling folks. I do not understand why, if I have done all of that, that I cannot get some info on the car. Dealer says they have nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VNMOUS1 Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 ISELL - Thanks. I am wondering if I will have to shift dealers. I thought I made it clear in my post that I had done all of that calling / forwarding of paperwork, etc. Andrew and the dealer talked a couple of times and he says the paperwork has been submitted to the Mustang scheduling folks. I do not understand why, if I have done all of that, that I cannot get some info on the car. Dealer says they have nothing. A quick note: Your dealer is correct about a June 5 or 6 production date (Job 1). It's not in stone. Anything could happen. If you have your order in, your DORA will have YOUR NAME as a reference because it's a sold order. Look it over. Also look over your priority code. It should be a lower than higher number (i.e. a 10 rather than a 99. 10 means you're top of the heap, 99 means don't build it). Orders seem to be submitted to the factory and VINs assigned on Thursdays. Don't know if that's really a fact, but it sure looks that way. If a VIN has been assigned, your status today would probably be HOLD because although you are serialized, they aren't building yet. Yes, PL cars are supposed to be first in-first out. Rumor has it there are less than 400. The AAI line apparently produces something on the order of +/- 1,200 units per month, according to what I was told by SVT. Remember, that single line produces all Shelbys as well as all Mustangs (GTs, V6s, etc) and the Mazda 6! No one has told me anything about this, but I'd assume that Shelbys are a very small percentage of the total output of that line. So, even a car that's one of the first could be a while being produced. Yes, they'll not only hold for quality control, but also for delivery. They need X number of cars to be ready to go to the same area/dealer/etc. Otherwise your 700 dollar shipping becomes 7000 dollars!!! Efficiencies in bulk. There are lots of people on here with a lot better info than I, but you now have at least the same stuff that I do....and I'm fairly low on the totem pole....yet slightly higher than the pimple guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 We get a new set of statuses for orders every Friday (from the Thursday action at Ford). Although, I've seen statuses change on other days of the week?!?!?! Our first GT500 VIN # was pulled weeks and weeks ago with a "submitted to plant" status currently. I just pulled up a 2007 Mustang GT order status today for one of our customers. Her VIN # is about 4,000 units later than the GT500 VIN #, but is scheduled to be built on June 5th (absolute 1st day of job #1!!!) so her car will likely be built before the GT500 even though the VIN is so far behind it (Ford doesn't build in order of VIN #, but that's still a big swing). I'll be checking order statuses tomorrow to see if our GT500 has a build date scheduled yet! By the way, our #2 GT500 customer called me yesterday. He was able to get personalized plate for it already (on a different vehicle so he can transfer later): "07GT500". Three Cobras, your dealer can easily check the order status in the Ford program called "CONCEPS." It is very password protected by Ford and few dealership personnel have access to it, so you may have to talk to the person who actually keys in the orders into CONCEPS at the dealership. Instead of going to the order bank screen (menu choices 1,1,1), they need to go to the status menu (menu choices 1,2,4) and enter the model year (07), car line (05), and hit enter. In lieu of the car line, they can tab over to the body code (T88 for GT500 coupe or T89 for GT500 vert), if they want to just look at GT500's and not all Mustangs. I hope this helps you to educate your dealer as to where to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Cobras Posted May 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Five Oh B - Knowledge is power, thanks for the knowledge. ASPEC, CONCEPS, whatever. I knew it could be done and I thank you. I didn't think Popular Science would have that info. Again, thanks for filling the information vacuum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Knowledge is power, thanks for the knowledge. Again, thanks for filling the information vacuum. Likewise, my friend! You'd be amazed how much I learn from you guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTony Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 A question for you dealer types or those "in the know". Once the order is in a "clean-unscheduled" status how much power do you have in controlling the order as to when it actually gets pulled to be serialized? VOPC has indicated to me that at that point, control is now in the regional reps hands to manage allocation and production sheduling. If allocations have not been finalized, then how are some of you getting VINs for your orders? My order was submitted to Ford on 03/16/06 and the status has yet to change out of the status mentioned above. I have also asked the Ford regional rep to look into this, and he pushes me back on the dealer (who I don't thinks is any longer in control of prduction scheduling). I'm just wanting to get the order moving along to the next step. Where do I go from here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Cobras Posted May 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Five Oh or ISELL - My salesman checked the status of my order today and (as of 15 May) its status is 'Serialized Hold'. I know that's not a rare tropical disease, but what does it mean? Thanks for the continued help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isellford Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 All Shelby's are serialized/hold right now as Fpord has not set up their production schedule. Both of my serialized cars are on hold as well. Hopefully they will receive a date soon. My guess [and this is only my guess] is that Shelby scheduling is waiting for all the power lease customers to get loaded in the system so they can manually schedule them in the first wave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Cobras Posted May 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 ISELL - Thanks. Can't you or Five Oh B exert your enormous influence to get these bubbas off TDC? Shucks. Does the term 'Serialized Hold' mean that the car has had a VIN assigned yet? Yeah, yeah, I know. Questions, questions, questions. But without you guys we'd not have squat from Ford. Thanks guys for helping us out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 OK, so I just pulled up our first GT500 order. You know, the one with a full VIN that has already been submitted to the plant. Isellford mentioned that there was a hold on scheduling while Ford figures out the powerlease scheduling, so I had to check our order and found the following status... STATUS: SCHEDULED DATE: 06/05/06 So, I guess we have a GT500 that is going to be built on the absolute first day of production (June 5th). It does have an extremely low VIN # (that I've posted elsewhere), but I didn't really expect it to be a first day car. So, now I wonder how our GT500 is going to be built so soon if there are powerlease cars to be built first? I swear I'm never gonna figure out the how's and when's of Ford's order/scheduling process! A question for you dealer types or those "in the know". Once the order is in a "clean-unscheduled" status how much power do you have in controlling the order as to when it actually gets pulled to be serialized? VOPC has indicated to me that at that point, control is now in the regional reps hands to manage allocation and production sheduling. If allocations have not been finalized, then how are some of you getting VINs for your orders? My order was submitted to Ford on 03/16/06 and the status has yet to change out of the status mentioned above. I have also asked the Ford regional rep to look into this, and he pushes me back on the dealer (who I don't thinks is any longer in control of prduction scheduling). I'm just wanting to get the order moving along to the next step. Where do I go from here ? The dealer assigns Priority Codes to each order to let Ford what sequence to build them in for the dealer. When the regional rep has a GT500 allocation open for scheduling for a dealer, he/she will pick the GT500 that the dealer has assigned the best Priority Code to. When an order is unsch/clean, it will sit in the order banks until there is allocation during a given week for that dealer to get that kind of vehicle. The best priority code order will be built first, the others will sit and wait their turn. Is it possible that your order is not the first GT500 for your dealer? If you are the #2 or #3 order, you may have to wait many months to get your order pulled and a VIN # assigned. Don't confuse a weekly allocation with final yearly allocation totals. This is confusing. While we don't know our final yearly allocation for GT500, we do know a basic minimum # of GT500's that will ultimately be allocated to us for the year. Ford can allocate a VIN # for a GT500 now to a dealer for the first allocated unit even though they don't know the total number that dealer will get for the year. That is how orders are getting pulled now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Cobras Posted May 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Sooo, let me ask this a different way: Does the term 'Serialized Hold' mean that the car has had a VIN assigned yet? Not sure what the deal is yet with the PowerLease cars, that's why I'm checking to see if Ford is living up to the promises. But my speculation is that they won't be the next one or two hundred after the one auctioned at BJ, but they should be, say, in the first few hundred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted May 19, 2006 Report Share Posted May 19, 2006 Sooo, let me ask this a different way: Does the term 'Serialized Hold' mean that the car has had a VIN assigned yet? I have never seen the term "serialized hold," so I can't answer your question. I pulled all of our 2007 Mustang orders today to look at statuses (GT500 and otherwise), and found none that said "serialized hold." Maybe Isellford can elaborate on this. Inquiring minds want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Cobras Posted May 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Five Oh - Thanks. I'm going to get 'eyes on' tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadTony Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 B)--> QUOTE(Five Oh B @ May 19 2006, 01:44 PM) 13459[/snapback] The dealer assigns Priority Codes to each order to let Ford what sequence to build them in for the dealer. When the regional rep has a GT500 allocation open for scheduling for a dealer, he/she will pick the GT500 that the dealer has assigned the best Priority Code to. ok so my order is #1 and priority 10 at my dealer. So how do I get the regional rep servicing my area/dealer to get my order from my dealer to be a part of his (regional reps) next round of allocations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastStuff Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 B)--> QUOTE(Five Oh B @ May 19 2006, 03:44 PM) 13459[/snapback] OK, so I just pulled up our first GT500 order. You know, the one with a full VIN that has already been submitted to the plant. Isellford mentioned that there was a hold on scheduling while Ford figures out the powerlease scheduling, so I had to check our order and found the following status... STATUS: SCHEDULED DATE: 06/05/06 So, I guess we have a GT500 that is going to be built on the absolute first day of production (June 5th). FiveOhB - I read some detailed information about some of this in the AAI forum section. The scheduled dates are always "week of" the given date, which is always a Monday. According to that info, your car should be built sometime during the first week, which makes more sense with regard to other issues - PowerLease cars, etc. I suppose that means that the date given is the segment date. The sequence and blend dates determine day and time of day (as you already know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Oh B Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 B)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Five Oh B @ May 19 2006, 03:44 PM) 13459[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> OK, so I just pulled up our first GT500 order. You know, the one with a full VIN that has already been submitted to the plant. Isellford mentioned that there was a hold on scheduling while Ford figures out the powerlease scheduling, so I had to check our order and found the following status... STATUS: SCHEDULED DATE: 06/05/06 So, I guess we have a GT500 that is going to be built on the absolute first day of production (June 5th). FiveOhB - I read some detailed information about some of this in the AAI forum section. The scheduled dates are always "week of" the given date, which is always a Monday. According to that info, your car should be built sometime during the first week, which makes more sense with regard to other issues - PowerLease cars, etc. I suppose that means that the date given is the segment date. The sequence and blend dates determine day and time of day (as you already know). Faststuff, the week of 6/5 does make much more sense. Thanks for the reality check. B)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Five Oh B @ May 19 2006, 01:44 PM) 13459[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> The dealer assigns Priority Codes to each order to let Ford what sequence to build them in for the dealer. When the regional rep has a GT500 allocation open for scheduling for a dealer, he/she will pick the GT500 that the dealer has assigned the best Priority Code to. ok so my order is #1 and priority 10 at my dealer. So how do I get the regional rep servicing my area/dealer to get my order from my dealer to be a part of his (regional reps) next round of allocations? That regional rep likely has dozens or hundreds of dealers to answer to about GT500's. Each has a customer waiting to get their order pulled ASAP, but the regional rep can't schedule a GT500 for each dealer in any given week (or month, for that matter). Getting the regional rep to pull your dealers order for your car is out of your hands and will have more to do with the relationship between your dealer and the rep. If your dealer is buying lots of rigs (especially ones that the rep is trying to push from Ford) then the rep may sweeten the deal for the dealer by offering a GT500 earlier than later. If your dealer doesn't do Ford any favors and won't buy many rigs or the rig-of-the-month that Ford is trying to unload, then the rep may give this week's GT500 in his/her region to a different dealer. Unfortunately, there are some politics involved in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbahoffman Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 B)--> QUOTE(Five Oh B @ May 20 2006, 01:01 PM) 13630[/snapback] Faststuff, the week of 6/5 does make much more sense. Thanks for the reality check. That regional rep likely has dozens or hundreds of dealers to answer to about GT500's. Each has a customer waiting to get their order pulled ASAP, but the regional rep can't schedule a GT500 for each dealer in any given week (or month, for that matter). Getting the regional rep to pull your dealers order for your car is out of your hands and will have more to do with the relationship between your dealer and the rep. If your dealer is buying lots of rigs (especially ones that the rep is trying to push from Ford) then the rep may sweeten the deal for the dealer by offering a GT500 earlier than later. If your dealer doesn't do Ford any favors and won't buy many rigs or the rig-of-the-month that Ford is trying to unload, then the rep may give this week's GT500 in his/her region to a different dealer. Unfortunately, there are some politics involved in the process. Awhile back i saw a posting where we could go to check our status of our GT500 build. Could someone Please post this site again?? THANK YOU!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford4v429 Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 B)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Five Oh B @ May 20 2006, 01:01 PM) 13630[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Faststuff, the week of 6/5 does make much more sense. Thanks for the reality check. That regional rep likely has dozens or hundreds of dealers to answer to about GT500's. Each has a customer waiting to get their order pulled ASAP, but the regional rep can't schedule a GT500 for each dealer in any given week (or month, for that matter). Getting the regional rep to pull your dealers order for your car is out of your hands and will have more to do with the relationship between your dealer and the rep. If your dealer is buying lots of rigs (especially ones that the rep is trying to push from Ford) then the rep may sweeten the deal for the dealer by offering a GT500 earlier than later. If your dealer doesn't do Ford any favors and won't buy many rigs or the rig-of-the-month that Ford is trying to unload, then the rep may give this week's GT500 in his/her region to a different dealer. Unfortunately, there are some politics involved in the process. Awhile back i saw a posting where we could go to check our status of our GT500 build. Could someone Please post this site again?? THANK YOU!!!! bad news on tracking- Ford apparently shut down Kzinti...the ERL number is still available, but both of my cars had arrived before it even updated shipping info...better than nothing, but nothing like Kzinti. regarding first day of production- possibly...especially if very low VIN last couple few digits- normally they dont build in numerical sequence, but until the queue fills up I bet they likely will the first couple days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Cobras Posted May 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Quote from Five Oh B- I have never seen the term "serialized hold," so I can't answer your question. I pulled all of our 2007 Mustang orders today to look at statuses (GT500 and otherwise), and found none that said "serialized hold." Maybe Isellford can elaborate on this. Inquiring minds want to know. Five Oh - I went to the dealer, read the CONCEPS report, dated 15 May, and sure enough that's exactly what it said for status. It was my order, was a T88 (GT500 coupe), D3 (T. Red), correct interior color CR, etc. Both salesman and new car manager agreed they had not seen that term before ('in twenty-five years'). They will check with Ford Monday, but if anyone out there can decode it I'd appreciate the enlightenment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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